LeafByNiggle
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Those stats, if they existed, would not answer the question. There can be many factors for someone not becoming self-sufficient. Motivation is just one of them.
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sallybutler
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I am claiming the following
What about the Florida coast? How are you going to keep people from taking a plane to Canada and hiking taking the road migrants used to work in Maine?
Next, you is going to put up the money initially? Or will building start before Mexico turns over the money?
Will someone be monitoring the wall for maintenance purposes? Will Mexico also be paying for that?
Will Mexico decide to patrol their side, arresting anyone they find?
Wil the wall be built exactly on the border or some feet back? If the latter, how will that space be treated?
Since none of these questions have answers, any thing any of us say is an opinion (feeling) about the viability and usefulness of a wall.
- just because you do not agree with the reasons for someone else’s fears does not mean they aren’t well-reasoned and based on historical facts. Where did I claim that fears necessarily caused paralysis? That seems to be a new subject.
- I said, I thought rather clearly, that fear already drives public policy. I did not mean to make a value judgement on that fact, I was just pointing out a fact.
- An opinion is a fancy word for feeling. Every one that posts about this theoretical wall that has no blueprints, no design, is voicing an opinion (feeling) about something that hasn’t even gotten on the drawing board much less off it. If we could not voice our opinions (feelings) on various topics unless they met strict standards, these forums would be barren.
What about the Florida coast? How are you going to keep people from taking a plane to Canada and hiking taking the road migrants used to work in Maine?
Next, you is going to put up the money initially? Or will building start before Mexico turns over the money?
Will someone be monitoring the wall for maintenance purposes? Will Mexico also be paying for that?
Will Mexico decide to patrol their side, arresting anyone they find?
Wil the wall be built exactly on the border or some feet back? If the latter, how will that space be treated?
Since none of these questions have answers, any thing any of us say is an opinion (feeling) about the viability and usefulness of a wall.
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Jeanne_S
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Sounds good:thumbsup:
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Ridgerunner
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This sounds good, but one wonders about the degree to which it’s actually achievable. If vouchers were available, I think private schools would spring up like mushrooms after an April rain. Some would be good and some wouldn’t, but I think the latter would get weeded out in fairly short order.
I think many of us know what it would take to restore public education. But I don’t see it getting done. Too much political correctness, official propaganda, school politics, union control of school boards, etc, etc, etc. Personally, at present I think they’re hopeless for the most part.
For myself, I don’t think technology is the answer. Kids can learn quite well without it, and the performance of many private schools and home schools demonstrate it. Better to have teachers with real authority, basic but demanding curriculum and honest grading. For that, you need a bunch of rooms, blackboards, desks and talented, motivated teachers.
As improbable as it might seem to most people nowadays, kids who went to elementary school in one-room schoolhouses with one teacher actually managed to learn pretty well. I went to high school with a lot of them. I, myself, attended a Catholic grade school in which three classes were in one room with one sister teaching each class in turns. But both the Catholic schools of the era and the one-room public schools had serious discipline, parental support (not participation) a fairly advanced level of the basics and real grading.
Yes, yes, I know. What about special education? Strange as it may seem, the teachers simply worked (hard) with those who had learning problems, kept them back in part or in whole if needed. For the advanced, a student could always borrow books from someone a grade or more ahead, and some did.
We, and the one-room country schoolers absolutely had to behave and do exactly as we were told. One odd thing. We were required to use fountain pens for all homework, and it had to be the final product. No pencil, no erasures, no cross-outs, nothing. We couldn’t even use ball points. It could be a pain, but it eventually taught one to be careful, and right the first time, the alternative being to do it once however one wanted, then make a perfect copy of the outcome.
Pointless in a way, that fountain pen business, but it really did encourage self-discipline and seriousness in what one did.
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DoGodsBidding
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Amen.
meltzerboy
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The whole package of what I presented is probably not achievable; but maybe parts of it are.
As to your education (and mine), it’s a different world today, as I’m sure you realize. Kids are attuned to technology and can learn from it. Personally, I am of the old school (as you are, apparently) and believe in face-to-face instruction, which involves human communication and discussion, discipline and motivation. I am not a big proponent of technology in isolation from the human element. However, technology, particularly computers, is where we are in the world today, and children who can use technology to learn, which includes also self-instruction and practice, are better equipped to face the challenges of the global society we live in. The days of the fountain-pen are long gone (unfortunately, in my view), as are so many other things: physical books, records, craftsmanship, long attention span, knowledge of grammar and spelling, clean comedy, movies with real stories and not just special effects, violence, and sex, love of learning for its own sake, and on and on. The culture is different and kids are different; everything has changed. We can never go back.
I think this topic really deserves its own thread.
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Peaceful_One
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^^This. There is more to being pro-life than simply anti-abortion. Trump, I truly believe, will get us into WWIII. I believe he will cause more death, pain and suffering that Hillary ever would - not that I like her. But Trump is a bully without a bit of diplomacy and no impulse control. He could destroy life on a massive scale and leave a world no one would want to bring a child into.
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dixieagle
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I agree with this. That is why I am considering the American Solidarity Party - pro-life from womb to tomb and in line with Catholic social teaching.
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anon67074017
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Do you people here think that Trump will do his part in stopping the LGBT agenda? What actions do you think he will take against their power? Will he help repeal marriage equality?
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Al_Moritz
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Precisely. That many do not realize the danger of Trump boggles my mind. Yet a good number of top Republicans do, and dozens of them have endorsed Clinton:
washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/30/heres-the-growing-list-of-big-name-republicans-supporting-hillary-clinton/
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Peter_J
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I assume, of course, that you aren’t actually asserting that but offering an example to compare with Trump’s statement. And I agree.
But you see my point, right? Like in your example, if I responded “JdV said ‘Every Catholic priest is a child molester’.” then that could actually help you since you could turn the conversation to “I didn’t say ‘every’. I’m being falsely accused.” etc.
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Jeanne_S
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Birds of a feather stick together.The reason these republicans are supporting HC instead of DT is because they are all career politicians.They would rather she take the presidency than to even fathom the thought of an interloper non politician taking office.It isn’t DT per se that they object to,it is more the fact that he isn’t one of them.They are chagrined and threatened by the mere possibility.All that tells me is what most of the disaffected republican voting base already knows.There really isn’t a lick of difference between the two parties anymore.
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Monkey1976
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Really? Which nuclear power is he actively antagonizing and blaming for his security failures in an effort to restart the Cold War?
Exactly which of his policies will - without doubt - result in the deaths of over 1 million children per year?
Evidence that Mr. Trump is a bully? We have testimony from Secret Service officers who served in the Clinton White House v1.0 that Mrs. Clinton was quite the bully herself to the very people assigned to guard her life- to the point that serving on her detail was seen as a punishment. And let’s not forget Mr. Vince Foster, who it now seems was either “suicided” or subjected to such a thorough berating and demeaning at the hands of Mrs. Clinton that he took his own life.
Let’s add another excuse to the list: “Because I believe that the pro-life candidate is a mean person, it is therefore okay for me to vote for the virulently pro-abortion candidate”
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Monkey1976
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That’s one of the things that makes this election so different. Despite the party labels, it’s not Republican vs. Democrat. It’s Globalist vs. Nationalist. It’s Business-as-Usual vs. Fix-the-System. It’s not Clinton that Trump is running against - it’s George Soros. A man who funds “Black Lives Matter”. A man who crashes national economies to make a buck. A man who - though Jewish himself - actively helped Nazis round up Jews for the camps during WWII. And the influence that evil man has over our current government - including Mrs. Clinton - should make anyone’s blood run cold.
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Peter_Plato
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Except it is Clinton who seems to be promoting the selling of arms and toxic chemicals to autocratic regimes with wanton abandon.
thefederalist.com/2016/08/23/was-the-clinton-foundation-behind-shady-middle-eastern-arms-deals/
Sometimes the really dangerous “bullies” aren’t the ones who go about being obvious about it.
LeafByNiggle
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Do you have any evidence of this mindset among Republicans? Lacking strong evidence to the contrary, the most straightforward premise is that Republicans (and Democrats too) are primarily interested in furthering their own particular vision of US government. Anyone who is on the same page with them in that effort would be welcomed in their respective parties, regardless of whether they are in some nebulous “club”. There are too many instances in history of successful outsiders who were welcomed on the basis of their views. Ronald Regan, for example, was not shunned for being an outsider. The difference between Trump and Regan is that Regan held views that appealed to other Republican “insiders”. Some of Trump’s views do not.
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Peter_Plato
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Congratulations on your unique and mind-numbing blend of kettle logic combined with proof by verbosity, topped by that intriguing hint of Nirvana fallacy to achieve the je ne sais quoi quality in your post that you were so obviously intending.
I think I am presently having the same frightening experience you had when confronted by the Berlin Wall.
Big, scary wall of words tumbling down on top of me…
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Jeanne_S
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Absolutely!
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Giggly_Giraffe
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O God, we acknowledge You today as Lord,
Not only of individuals, but of nations and governments.
We thank You for the privilege of being able to organize ourselves politically and of knowing that political loyalty does not have to mean disloyalty to You.
We thank You for Your law, which our Founding Fathers acknowledged and recognized as higher than any human law. We thank You for the opportunity that this election year
puts before us, to exercise our solemn duty not only to vote,
But to influence countless others to vote, and to vote correctly.
Lord, we pray that Your people may be awakened. Let them realize that while politics is not their
salvation, their response to You requires that they be politically
active. Awaken Your people to know that they are not called to be
a sect fleeing the world but rather a community of faith renewing the world. Awaken them that the same hands lifted up to You in prayer are the hands that pull the lever in the voting booth;
That the same eyes that read Your Word are the eyes that read the names on the ballot, and that they do not cease to be Christians when they enter the voting booth. Awaken Your people to a commitment to justice,
To the dignity of each individual human life, to the dignity of all people and those immigrating as Jesus did. To the worker for a fair and just wage keeping in mind that manipulating bankruptcy laws often violates just wages to many workers. Let us look for governors who actively practice integrity and provide us with confidence in goals talked about during the elections.
Lord, we rejoice today
That we are citizens of Your kingdom.
May that make us all the more committed
To being faithful citizens on earth.
We ask this through Jesus Christ, our Lord.
Amen.
Not only of individuals, but of nations and governments.
We thank You for the privilege of being able to organize ourselves politically and of knowing that political loyalty does not have to mean disloyalty to You.
We thank You for Your law, which our Founding Fathers acknowledged and recognized as higher than any human law. We thank You for the opportunity that this election year
puts before us, to exercise our solemn duty not only to vote,
But to influence countless others to vote, and to vote correctly.
Lord, we pray that Your people may be awakened. Let them realize that while politics is not their
salvation, their response to You requires that they be politically
active. Awaken Your people to know that they are not called to be
a sect fleeing the world but rather a community of faith renewing the world. Awaken them that the same hands lifted up to You in prayer are the hands that pull the lever in the voting booth;
That the same eyes that read Your Word are the eyes that read the names on the ballot, and that they do not cease to be Christians when they enter the voting booth. Awaken Your people to a commitment to justice,
To the dignity of each individual human life, to the dignity of all people and those immigrating as Jesus did. To the worker for a fair and just wage keeping in mind that manipulating bankruptcy laws often violates just wages to many workers. Let us look for governors who actively practice integrity and provide us with confidence in goals talked about during the elections.
Lord, we rejoice today
That we are citizens of Your kingdom.
May that make us all the more committed
To being faithful citizens on earth.
We ask this through Jesus Christ, our Lord.
Amen.
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