Trump Thread

[Good_Tidings]

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
   domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

From Liberty Forum

libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_constitution&Number=642
109&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1

 

[Hawkmaid]

What’s even funnier to me is the fact that they think their article will change anything. Like Trump’s going to go “Oh, you really want me to? Well then, okay!”

Yeah, no. If anything it’s just a challenge to him, and heaven knows he loves challenges. The guy’s not our *best *option, but at this point he’s the lesser of two evils (named Hillary and Bernie…).

 

[Peter_Plato]

Just because I think Trump is a national embarrassment does not mean that I don’t think Hillary is one as well. Whatever happens to the republicans this election, the blame will fall squarely on themselves. They did this to themselves.

If Americans have anything to be embarrassed by as a nation it is the fact that the wife of a former President, while selected to be Secretary of State, habitually traded state secrets via her email server and indiscriminately sold political favours to whomever would pony up the requisite cash irrespective of what would be done with the information and favours she sold to them.

The fact that Americans are very likely on the verge of electing her in as their next president when she flagrantly did her best to profit obscenely from the last political post she held. You are right, Americans SHOULD be embarrassed, but not about Trump playing the role of the small child pointing out the stark nakedness of the incoming POTUS; they ought to be embarrassed about the Empress parading about, with all her “parts” hanging out, but obsequiously hailed for pretending to be robed in splendor. It is the people, not Trump, who “did this to themselves,” or, at least, about to.

 

[Jeanne_S]

The contortions that people go through to justify Trump’s statements that clearly show he is not fit to hold the most powerful position in the world amaze me.

Funny, my thought exactly re Hillary.

 

[ProVobis]

It’s become obvious that there is a concerted, behind-the-scenes effort by the Republican establishment to see Trump lose. Surely committee memberships and committee leadership positions and other under-the-table patronage were promised to those that spoke out publically against Mr. Trump. Who in the party is behind it is anyone’s guess.

The party put up 16 of their best, and they couldn’t beat Mr. Trump. They tried again at the convention and even after the convention to turn him away. Nothing worked, the people had spoken and Trump was there man. Now completely desperate, they have chosen to vote for the opposition to help Hillary Clinton get elected! Once again the will of the people is thwarted and the establishment wins. Trump and Bernie were right - the system is rigged.

We are a one party country - the Establishment Party. May the GOP rot in the dustbin of history…

That’s one way of looking at it. The fact that 16 opponents were inspired to run against him worked to split the anti-Trump vote and to Trump’s advantage. In the end there was no compromise candidate.

 

[Peter_Plato]

Funny, my thought exactly re Hillary.

Straining out gnats but swallowing a camel is an appropriate depiction.

 

[mikekle]

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
   domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

From Liberty Forum

libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_constitution&Number=642
109&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1

This seems to describe the US to a ‘T’.

The only problem is, unfortunately they have achieved all this and still many folks take their side and see no problem at all, look at how many people will follow their advice and ‘call police if they see anything, even remotely suspicious’, a population that has largely been deceived and has bought into the lies, to such a degree, they will now take the side of the tyrannical govt instead of their fellow citizen…that is a HUGE accomplishment and likely something the founding fathers would have had no way to protect against.

For the Constitution and Bill of rights to be successful and adhered to, it requires majority of people first recognize a threat when they arise…if they cannot tell the difference, then nothing can protect them, they are doomed to be sheeple.

 

[ProVobis]

Funny, my thought exactly re Hillary.

The less both talk, the better.

 

[Peter_Plato]

This seems to describe the US to a ‘T’.

The only problem is, unfortunately they have achieved all this and still many folks take their side and see no problem at all, look at how many people will follow their advice and ‘call police if they see anything, even remotely suspicious’, a population that has largely been deceived and has bought into the lies.

What is being missed, however, is that the fascists are now acting globally, leaving the nationalists to defend against the globalist fascism on a national level.

Take every one of the characteristics of fascism and apply them in terms of what the globalists are trying to impose on ALL nations and peoples – and you have a new global socialism rather than the national socialism of the Nazis.

Same goal in the end, however. Instead of the Reich (regime) taking over the entire world from a beginning point in Germany, this is now a top down takeover. The Reich (regime) has merely presumed its “right” to dominate and rule, and is imposing that from a less localized starting point.

Same wolf, just different fleece. (Pun intended.)

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

To put things in perspective, just a minority of the US voted for either 1 of the candidates:

nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/elections/nine-percent-of-america-selected-trump-and-clinton.html

 

[Good_Tidings]

If Americans have anything to be embarrassed by as a nation it is the fact that the wife of a former President, while selected to be Secretary of State, habitually traded state secrets via her email server and indiscriminately sold political favours to whomever would pony up the requisite cash irrespective of what would be done with the information and favours she sold to them.

The fact that Americans are very likely on the verge of electing her in as their next president when she flagrantly did her best to profit obscenely from the last political post she held. You are right, Americans SHOULD be embarrassed, but not about Trump playing the role of the small child pointing out the stark nakedness of the incoming POTUS; they ought to be embarrassed about the Empress parading about, with all her “parts” hanging out, but obsequiously hailed for pretending to be robed in splendor. It is the people, not Trump, who “did this to themselves,” or, at least, about to.

Somehow I don’t think Trump is going to bring up anyone walking around stark naked. You do see the irony, don’t you?

 

[dshix]

They’re scared.

 

[dshix]

This seems to describe the US to a ‘T’.

A rather broad brush, I would say. Sounds more like the policies and ambitions of the Democratic party to me.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

I hope Trump doesn’t back out, and I don’t think he would because he can never look “weak”.

I’m downright giddy about his campaign and I hope be keeps talking with this sort of careless enthusiasm. It’s only good for the left. Rubio would be wiping the floor with Hillary right now, but instead the whole GOP is suffering in popularity. Thanks Trump!

I said at the beginning that Trump’s candidacy would force the right to confront the white supremacy they’ve harbored (and harnessed) for so long. And it has. It’s a relief to see so many conservatives unequivocally denounce him. I think in a few years, the people who have aligned themselves with Trump will suffer harsh political consequences for the choice. It will be the new “He voted for the war in Iraq”.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I think, even at this late date, if Trump does back out and the Republicans can somehow get another decent name on the ballot for November, that candidate has an excellent chance of winning!

 

[qui_est_ce]

Nah. He only embarrasses certain “types” of people. The same who might be embarrassed to be seen with someone who isn’t quite up to their standards. The same who could use a little embarrassment from time to time to remind them that they are human after all. You know, the ones who think more highly of the opinions of others and of virtue signaling than they do of the truth. The ones who have been bought and paid for by those dictating the opinions about what should and should not be considered “embarrassing.”

It is pretty clear that those who point to things like “national embarrassment” have no clue regarding what we ought to be embarrassed about since they remain unperturbed by all the shenanigans perpetrated by the Clintons and will vote for her to be their leader.

Now that’s deep!

 

[rfournier103]

I think, even at this late date, if Trump does back out and the Republicans can somehow get another decent name on the ballot for November, that candidate has an excellent chance of winning!

I hear Bernie Sanders is available…

 

[truetofaith]

Trump was making a sarcastic joke but liberals are too uptight for HUMOR!

 

[qui_est_ce]

I hope Trump doesn’t back out, and I don’t think he would because he can never look “weak”.

I’m downright giddy about his campaign and I hope be keeps talking with this sort of careless enthusiasm. It’s only good for the left. Rubio would be wiping the floor with Hillary right now, but instead the whole GOP is suffering in popularity. Thanks Trump!

Shadenfreude is not an attractive attitude.

I said at the beginning that Trump’s candidacy would force the right to confront the white supremacy they’ve harbored (and harnessed) for so long.

Conservatives are white supremacists now?

And it has. It’s a relief to see so many conservatives unequivocally denounce him. I think in a few years, the people who have aligned themselves with Trump will suffer harsh political consequences for the choice. It will be the new “He voted for the war in Iraq”.

That’s how I feel about the consequences of choosing Hillary.

 

[stinkcat_14]

If Americans have anything to be embarrassed by as a nation it is the fact that the wife of a former President, while selected to be Secretary of State, habitually traded state secrets via her email server and indiscriminately sold political favours to whomever would pony up the requisite cash irrespective of what would be done with the information and favours she sold to them.

The fact that Americans are very likely on the verge of electing her in as their next president when she flagrantly did her best to profit obscenely from the last political post she held. You are right, Americans SHOULD be embarrassed, but not about Trump playing the role of the small child pointing out the stark nakedness of the incoming POTUS; they ought to be embarrassed about the Empress parading about, with all her “parts” hanging out, but obsequiously hailed for pretending to be robed in splendor. It is the people, not Trump, who “did this to themselves,” or, at least, about to.

It is not an either or situation. No matter how bad Clinton is, it does not make Trump virtuous. They are both embarrassing enough that neither one is qualified to be president.