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But Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, announced tonight that she would not vote for Donald Trump in the presidential election, dealing another blow to Mr. Trump as he tries to unite his party and win more support from women.

nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/susan-collins-trump.html?_r=0
Susan Collins is one of the remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate. It is not so surprising she would not be backing and voting for Trump. Her criticism of Trump is based on his character more than on his policies, however. That seems to be the sticking point for many Republicans.
 
Susan Collins is one of the remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate. It is not so surprising she would not be backing and voting for Trump. Her criticism of Trump is based on his character more than on his policies, however. That seems to be the sticking point for many Republicans.
Susan Collins also is not supporting Mrs. Clinton. She said, “As we have seen with the dissatisfaction with both major- party nominees — neither of whom I support— these passions are real and the public will demand action.”
 
She may vote for whom ever she wishes. Her choice will not change my mind either way. 🤷
 
That is exactly what is going to give Clinton the edge in November, lack of unity in the Republican Party. Is Donald Trump the ideal candidate, no, but he is certainly better than Clinton or anyone the Democrats can put up. Republicans not rallying around Trump will be committing political suicide. If Clinton should get elected, the Republicans will be scratching their heads and trying to figure out what went wrong. Remember the old adage, “United we stand, Divided we fall”, and that is what will happen if the Republicans can’t get their act together. It will be their own fault. I for one, will be voting for Trump. We have to keep Clinton OUT of the White House. She will destroy this country.
 
That is exactly what is going to give Clinton the edge in November, lack of unity in the Republican Party. Is Donald Trump the ideal candidate, no, but he is certainly better than Clinton or anyone the Democrats can put up. Republicans not rallying around Trump will be committing political suicide. If Clinton should get elected, the Republicans will be scratching their heads and trying to figure out what went wrong. Remember the old adage, “United we stand, Divided we fall”, and that is what will happen if the Republicans can’t get their act together. It will be their own fault. I for one, will be voting for Trump. We have to keep Clinton OUT of the White House. She will destroy this country.
Trump and Trump alone has divided the GOP.
 
Trump and Trump alone has divided the GOP.
I disagree and it seems to me many people have short memories.

Republicans in office have divided the GOP. If the elected Republicans had stood strong against to Democrats regarding issues that really mattered, then Trump would never have risen beyond the start gate. Elected Republicans created Trump–now some of those Republicans are regretting what they did, so they are trying to lean on some foundation of integrity.

I am no Trump fan and it is painful for me to realize we have Trump and Hillary as our choices. But really: Hillary is preferable over Trump? That is what those Trump-rejecting Republicans are saying in actual impact–they are saying that they’d rather have Hillary, than Trump.
 
I disagree and it seems to me many people have short memories.

Republicans in office have divided the GOP. If the elected Republicans had stood strong against to Democrats regarding issues that really mattered, then Trump would never have risen beyond the start gate. Elected Republicans created Trump–now some of those Republicans are regretting what they did, so they are trying to lean on some foundation of integrity.

I am no Trump fan and it is painful for me to realize we have Trump and Hillary as our choices. But really: Hillary is preferable over Trump? That is what those Trump-rejecting Republicans are saying in actual impact–they are saying that they’d rather have Hillary, than Trump.
I think they WOULD prefer Clinton to Trump. Allows them to engage in “lost cause romanticism”, like nostalgia for the Old South.
 
She is also running for reelection in a blue state

This announcement, I think is more about Susan Collins than it is about Donald Trump
 
I disagree and it seems to me many people have short memories.

Republicans in office have divided the GOP. If the elected Republicans had stood strong against to Democrats regarding issues that really mattered, then Trump would never have risen beyond the start gate. Elected Republicans created Trump–now some of those Republicans are regretting what they did, so they are trying to lean on some foundation of integrity.

I am no Trump fan and it is painful for me to realize we have Trump and Hillary as our choices. But really: Hillary is preferable over Trump? That is what those Trump-rejecting Republicans are saying in actual impact–they are saying that they’d rather have Hillary, than Trump.
Agreed Republicans caused this fiasco. Trump should never have been allowed to run as a Republican in the first place, and secondly, those who were running against Trump were too power hungry to get out of the race when they had a chance to stop Trump. Their own petty desire to be the nominee was more powerful than stopping Trump, and to me is the sadder commentary about where the party went awry.

As far as Clinton being worse than Trump, my gut says you are right about that, yet seemingly every time Trump opens his mouth, I second guess myself and wonder if he could actually be worse.
 
That is exactly what is going to give Clinton the edge in November, lack of unity in the Republican Party. Is Donald Trump the ideal candidate, no, but he is certainly better than Clinton or anyone the Democrats can put up. Republicans not rallying around Trump will be committing political suicide. If Clinton should get elected, the Republicans will be scratching their heads and trying to figure out what went wrong. Remember the old adage, “United we stand, Divided we fall”, and that is what will happen if the Republicans can’t get their act together. It will be their own fault. I for one, will be voting for Trump. We have to keep Clinton OUT of the White House. She will destroy this country.
Not so sure about Republicans scratching their heads over a Clinton win.What I have read and heard is a lot of Republicans ,especially thevWashington elites,would rather hand the presidency to HC,reorganize the party and come back stronger in four years.To that I say good luck:rolleyes:By that time there will be so many disaffected Republicans myself included that the party will be done.Although there may arise separate from the Establishment a Conservative movement will be truly conservative in nature.🤷.
 
Not so sure about Republicans scratching their heads over a Clinton win.What I have read and heard is a lot of Republicans ,especially thevWashington elites,would rather hand the presidency to HC,reorganize the party and come back stronger in four years.To that I say good luck:rolleyes:By that time there will be so many disaffected Republicans myself included that the party will be done.Although there may arise separate from the Establishment a Conservative movement will be truly conservative in nature.🤷.
RINOs are the cause of the disruption and discord in the party. Anyone who thinks its Trump clearly hasn’t been paying attention.
 
Agreed Republicans caused this fiasco. Trump should never have been allowed to run as a Republican in the first place, and secondly, those who were running against Trump were too power hungry to get out of the race when they had a chance to stop Trump. Their own petty desire to be the nominee was more powerful than stopping Trump, and to me is the sadder commentary about where the party went awry.

As far as Clinton being worse than Trump, my gut says you are right about that, yet seemingly every time Trump opens his mouth, I second guess myself and wonder if he could actually be worse.
I agree in general. Most of the other candidates wanted to win so much, that they refused to step aside. Cruz could have been a solid challenger to Hillary, but too many egos refused to step aside. Republicans helped create this mess and now they are more willing to let Hillary win, than to let Trump.

Here is what we can expect from Hillary:
  1. More foreign policy horrors – and forget any talks about immigration reform.
  2. Higher taxes on most people – including things like carbon taxes.
  3. Further religious discrimination. Faith will be further marginalized and forced into a person’s private life.
  4. Supreme Court Justices nominated who will make the Court a leftist branch for decades.
  5. Expanded social programs that everyone knows this country cannot afford.
  6. Any hope for an end to legal will be a fairy tale.
  7. Any hope of a future conservative/Republican candidate winning the WH will disappear.
  8. If Hillary wins, the GOP might lose control of Congress, thus giving the Democrats all three branches of government.
The list can go on…
 
Not so sure about Republicans scratching their heads over a Clinton win.What I have read and heard is a lot of Republicans ,especially thevWashington elites,would rather hand the presidency to HC,reorganize the party and come back stronger in four years.To that I say good luck:rolleyes:By that time there will be so many disaffected Republicans myself included that the party will be done.Although there may arise separate from the Establishment a Conservative movement will be truly conservative in nature.🤷.
The Republican Party will never win the WH again, imo.
 
Not so sure about Republicans scratching their heads over a Clinton win.What I have read and heard is a lot of Republicans ,especially thevWashington elites,would rather hand the presidency to HC,reorganize the party and come back stronger in four years.To that I say good luck:rolleyes:By that time there will be so many disaffected Republicans myself included that the party will be done.Although there may arise separate from the Establishment a Conservative movement will be truly conservative in nature.🤷.
This past Saturday my family, along with others, prayed in front of the Capitol building to end abortion. We prayed a rosary and Divine Mercy chaplet. There was a lowly, local county official present. In the past there have been other elected officials. He thanked us and told us how important and encouraging our witness was to the officials inside. He commented that we wouldn’t begin to believe the overwhelming fights each day, and that there is true evil threatening to engulf.

Last night, I heard someone who had been politically involved say that ultimately, elected officials don’t have as much power as we think they have. Real power lies with what’s called “the deep state.” (Sounds very C.S. Lewis-esque.) Essentially, I gathered that this is just a term for people who hold the purse-strings. Now, the deep state concept sounds cynical, but it rings with some truth to my ear. However, I’m not willing to go so far and say that elected officials have no power.

Now some may argue that this lack of power is a reason to abstain from voting. I don’t. In all the above, I see a good reason to not throw the baby out with the bath water, and that we shouldn’t punish the truly good officials because we’re upset with others. Maybe disintegrating the party is what’s needed; but to me, that seems a poor recompense for people who actually have fought the good fight. It’s like troops mutinying against a good captain who was powerless to effect as much leadership as he could have.

The trick is to determine which conservatives would vote for Hillary out of self-interest, and those who vote for Hillary because they actually believe Trump will undo all the good these lowly, local officials can do. I can’t answer to either of those points, because I don’t know. On the flip, it must also be determined whether Trump is ultimately in cahoots with forces which will undermine all the work these lowly, local officials do. There is much I simply don’t know. I trust neither candidate. I especially can’t like a man who practically taunts his own base that they must vote for him because of the Supreme Court. What kind of general does that? That isn’t how one raises morale. It admits weakness. But what I do hope is that some of the good elected officials might be “salt and light” within Trump’s cabinet.

I woke up in the dead of night the other day, and for the first time in my life considered a write-in. What the heck is going on? We’ll see what election day brings.
 
RINOs are the cause of the disruption and discord in the party. Anyone who thinks its Trump clearly hasn’t been paying attention.
Absolutely!He is a convienent target.Lest those naysayers forget,he beat out 16 other "establishment " candidates.He is a reaction to the same old same old.Theybare now licking their wounds and doing everything in their power to create continued chaos and disunity within the party. It is going to backfire big time,IMO
 
This past Saturday my family, along with others, prayed in front of the Capitol building to end abortion.
Abortion will not be ended at the federal level. There are estimates that abortion would be lowered by a mere 6 % if Roe v. Wade were overturned, because of all the state laws that would remain in place.

If one is pro-life, trying to influence the legal system is an utterly inefficient, dead-end way of improving things. We have to work on the root causes of abortion.
 
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