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gilliam said:
Trump names six U.S. governors as agricultural advisers reut.rs/2bl5zqw
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Well, I hope they’ll tell him to change NAFTA in such a way as to make the same health and antibiotic rules apply to imported cattle and beef as are required of American producers. Maybe they will.
 
Strydersroom said:
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It’s astonishing of the impenetrable bubble that most Trump supporters seem to live in, unable to see any fault at all in ANY of his ideas/plans/statements. Mind boggling.
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We are more than happy to discuss policy, something the #nevertrump crowd has avoided, focusing on personality instead of policy positions.
 
He said they advocate the same policies, that is blatantly dishonest.

Then he recommended her, warts and all. He’s a very shrewd Hillary apologist since his target audience wouldn’t listen if he said she had no warts.
Al_Moritz said:
“Mark is a Hillary apologist”: This facile dismissal of a view you do not agree with is not based on facts.

He very much dislikes Hillary and even calls her “terrible”. He only finds Trump much, much worse – which he is.

I recommend to everyone reading Mark Shea’s excellent column. Here is the link again:

patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2016/05/voting-to-support-a-lesser-evil-vs-voting-to-lessen-evil.html
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Good_Tidings said:
Since Trump wants to ban all Muslims, the Mormons are sensitive to their own religion being marginalized.
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That’s NOT what Trump said.

Listen to / watch his Ohio speech yesterday.

See for yourself what he actually said.
 
oneofmany said:
I don’t trust Snopes plus this is from the other web site and talking about a wall, the Pope thinks it’s not Christian but Trump pointed out the huge wall around the Vatican.
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Sigh.

Google pope endorses trump, and see if you can come up with something credible. If it were credible it would be all over the news, and reported by many reputable news outlets. It isn’t. It would have been on the front page of all news papers. It wasn’t.

Or, wait – are you trolling us?
 
Peter_Plato said:
Ah, yes.

And such “narrow group” control would be symptomatic of an insistence that other sources simply ought not be believed, yes?

Apparently Al, you are being manipulated by a fanatical cult. According to Leaf, that is.

Where are those gatekeepers and referees when you need them? :cool:
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Which information sources do you think are more credible than mainstream media? Please omit any sources that overtly claim to favor a political point of view. I want only sources that at least have the semblance of objectivity.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Which information sources do you think are more credible than mainstream media? Please omit any sources that overtly claim to favor a political point of view. I want only sources that at least have the semblance of objectivity.
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If that’s your standard for a trustworthy source, then feel free to ignore CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, etc right alongside Breitbart and Fox News.

If you really want to know what Mr. Trump’s plans and policy proposals are, watch his speeches and listen to what he actually says: youtube.com/channel/UCoswYMTz68KlHKn3oEzTm4A
 
Monte_RCMS said:
That’s NOT what Trump said.

Listen to / watch his Ohio speech yesterday.

See for yourself what he actually said.
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One of my biggest complaints about Trump is that there is no consistency in what Trump says and means. His intentions are a moving target from one day to the next.

December 7, 2015:
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on”
donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

July 22, 2016
“Lastly, and very importantly, we must immediately suspend immigration from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism until such time as proven vetting mechanisms have been put in place. We don’t want them in our country.”
vox.com/2016/7/21/12253426/donald-trump-acceptance-speech-transcript-republican-nomination-transcript

August 15, 2016
“A Trump Administration will establish a clear principle that will govern
all decisions pertaining to immigration: we should only admit into this
country those who share our values and respect our people.
In the Cold War, we had an ideological screening test. 110
The time is
overdue to develop a new screening test for the threats we face today.
In addition to screening out all members or sympathizers of terrorist
groups, we must also screen out any who have hostile attitudes
towards our country or its principles – or who believe that Sharia law
should supplant American law.
Those who do not believe in our Constitution, or who support bigotry
and hatred, will not be admitted for immigration into the country.
Only those who we expect to flourish in our country – and to embrace
a tolerant American society – should be issued immigration visas.”
assets.donaldjtrump.com/Radical_Islam_Speech.pdf

So to summarize initially he wants to ban ALL muslims as immigrants…then he wants to ban all immigrants from country’s compromised by terrorism…now he he wants to ban immigrants who have hostile attitudes to us OR who don’t share in our principles. His policies are all over the place, I am truly confused as to what it is he wants to do.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
That’s NOT what Trump said.

Listen to / watch his Ohio speech yesterday.

See for yourself what he actually said.
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Trump has said a lot of things about Muslim immigration. He first proposed a blanket ban on all immigration of muslims for an indefinite period. Later, he proposed banning all immigration “from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism” such as Syria. Most recently, he proposed enhanced scrutiny of any Muslim wanting to immigrate – an ideological litmus test – although he has not acknowledged that such immigrants are already subjected to careful questioning and other checks. Those are just some of the Trump proposals. You picked the most recent, most moderate proposal. He has changed his tune depending on the pushback he’s received from his critics. It’s hard to tell what he’d do once in office.
 
adowcday said:
Trump has said a lot of things about Muslim immigration. He first proposed a blanket ban on all immigration of muslims for an indefinite period. Later, he proposed banning all immigration “from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism” such as Syria. Most recently, he proposed enhanced scrutiny of any Muslim wanting to immigrate – an ideological litmus test – although he has not acknowledged that such immigrants are already subjected to careful questioning and other checks. Those are just some of the Trump proposals. You picked the most recent, most moderate proposal. He has changed his tune depending on the pushback he’s received from his critics. It’s hard to tell what he’d do once in office.
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Interesting how today, it’s seen as a bad thing when one adjusts a controversial position in response to new feedback and information.
 
Monkey1976 said:
Interesting how today, it’s seen as a bad thing when one adjusts a controversial position in response to new feedback and information.
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You can look at it that way…or to me, his constant flipping and indecisiveness looks like he just does not know what he wants or what he’s doing.
 
I don’t have a stake in this as I am not voting for either candidate. However, It concerns me how many supporters listen or read from websites that reinforce their own beliefs, biases and prejudices instead of investigating the particular claims themselves either from bi-partisan or non-partisan websites. Especially since there is so much misinformation and misdirection on facts and claims.

I have a problem when Trump and their supporters voice outrage against HC and ignore the fact that GOP is quilty of doing the same thing that HC did. Where is the outrage against their own party? People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones! It’s pure hypocrisy! I have to make a comment when statements are made that undermine our U.S. Constitution

Email server issue:
Fact, Bush administration and his White House staff used private servers where over 5 million emails were lost in violation of Presidential Records Act. Karl Rove used kr@georgewbush.com for 95% of his emails while other staff members where using gwb43.com and rnchq.org where 22 million emails were lost! Where is the outrage by the GOP when Secretary of State Colin Powell used a private email server and lost most of those emails? Some of these servers were hosted by the RNC!

Bengazi, Bengazi is all the GOP screams about. Tragic as it was for the families, the response far outweighs another instance where it the GOP investigation was tepid. For instance, there have been over 13 hearings and 50 taxpayer wasting hearings and briefings on Bengazi costing millions of dollar. The end result: The Republican-led House Intelligence Committee concluded that there was**" NO intentional wrongdoing in the Obama administration’s response to the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya!"** Compared that to just 3 Congressional hearings during Regan administration on the Beruit, Lebanon bombing of Marine compound that killed 241 marines in 83!

The unconstitutional part of this narrative is when Gov. Christie at the RNC convicted HC in a 'Kangarloo Court’ by making accusatory statements against HC and after each one, the crowd chanted “Lock Her Up” a clear violation of the U.S. Constitution where a person is presumed innocent until proven quilty by a jury of their peers. I was shocked at clearly the unconstitutional display taking place. Yet, Trump whines & slanders the federal judicial system by making a racist comment that he cannot a fair trial on Trump U. because the federal judge who was born in Indiana of Mexican heritage. By chanting **“Lock her up” **Trump supporters are undermining the very U.S. Constitution they claim to support! I guess mob rule is an exception when it comes to the GOP. Is HC receiving a fair trial by inflaming the crowd to “Lock Her Up” ? 🤷

I believe Trump will win. Polls are meaningless at this early stage as there are still three months left. What is worrying is the mentality of his supporters when Trump stated:’ I could ‘shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters’ Wow! So by making that statement, Trump indicates that he can commit immoral and illegal acts and his supporters will still vote for him. This is how dictators come to power.
 
Millie123 said:
You can look at it that way…or to me, his constant flipping and indecisiveness looks like he just does know what he wants or what he’s doing.
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If Trump was a career politician, then this would be flip-flopping. He’s not - he’s a career businessman. In business, it’s a very good thing to be able to adjust to changing conditions and new information.

Considering the US policies of the past couple decades can be summed up as “The car still won’t start, so we’re going to try adding more sugar to the gas tank. Eventually, it will work”, I’d much rather have a President who is able to adjust quickly to rapidly changing situations instead of plowing ahead with Cold War II because “Russia == Bad”.
 
Abynissa said:
I believe Trump will win. Polls are meaningless at this early stage as there are still three months left.
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Actually, Trump doesn’t really have three months to catch up. As the New York Times has pointed out (“Early Voting Leaves Trump With Less Time to Catch Up”), in some states there is as little as 6 weeks before early voting starts.
 
Monkey1976 said:
If that’s your standard for a trustworthy source, then feel free to ignore CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, etc right alongside Breitbart and Fox News.
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First of all, Fox News is mainstream. Secondly, Breitbart is admittedly conservative. They say so themselves. Thirdly, if the media is dominated by liberals, how did it get to be that way? Or was it always that way, even back to Edward R. Murrow? So what happened? Did all the conservative journalists go on vacation for a few decades?
 
Monkey1976 said:
If Trump was a career politician, then this would be flip-flopping. He’s not - he’s a career businessman. In business, it’s a very good thing to be able to adjust to changing conditions and new information.

Considering the US policies of the past couple decades can be summed up as “The car still won’t start, so we’re going to try adding more sugar to the gas tank. Eventually, it will work”, I’d much rather have a President who is able to adjust quickly to rapidly changing situations instead of plowing ahead with Cold War II because “Russia == Bad”.
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Your first paragraph to me pretty much summarizes why I think he’s incompetent for the job. He is not a politician, he’s a businessman. He does not understand the intricacies of our relationships among both our allies and among muslim nations. He doesn’t understand the intricacies of our immigration policies, because he is a businessman. He’s “Learning as he goes” and is making and changing his policies on the fly. His constant flipping is truly concerning to me because, to me it shows his ignorance. Who knows what he is going to do in office…I don’t think that even he knows what he is going to do.
 
Thorolfr said:
Actually, Trump doesn’t really have three months to catch up. As the New York Times has pointed out (“Early Voting Leaves Trump With Less Time to Catch Up”), in some states there is as little as 6 weeks before early voting starts.
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I looked at the article and most of the early voting in states is in place in non-swing states, states that are either that going to be safely on the Republican column or in the Democratic column. Doesn’t the first swing state that has early voting, Iowa, crucially takes place after the first Presidential debate?
 
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