Trump Thread

[Al_Moritz]

Birds of a feather stick together.The reason these republicans are supporting HC instead of DT is because they are all career politicians.They would rather she take the presidency than to even fathom the thought of an interloper non politician taking office.It isn’t DT per se that they object to,it is more the fact that he isn’t one of them.They are chagrined and threatened by the mere possibility.All that tells me is what most of the disaffected republican voting base already knows.There really isn’t a lick of difference between the two parties anymore.

This kind of unsupported reasoning is precisely what prevents you from seeing the truth about Trump. I’d recommend you read the opinions of the top Republicans in the link that I provided. They have nothing to do with the issue of being a career politician or not.

I’d also like to see you answer to LeafByNiggle’s response to your assertion.

 

[sallybutler]

Congratulations on your unique and mind-numbing blend of kettle logic combined with proof by verbosity, topped by that intriguing hint of Nirvana fallacy to achieve the je ne sais quoi quality in your post that you were so obviously intending.

I think I am presently having the same frightening experience you had when confronted by the Berlin Wall.

Big, scary wall of words tumbling down on top of me…

Thank you for responding to the reasonable questions I asked about the logistics of a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border with facts that would cause me to support it.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

What makes you say that? The man has no common sense. HRC has made mistakes but the woman has been is politics for over 30 years. She will put some smart individuals in her cabinet if elected. I don’t think that Trump has that capability

BTW this comment was in no way shape or form an endorsement of her, but if I had to choose I would lean towards her.

The American people are exhausted from listening to the promises made by career politicians and then being unable or unwilling to deliver on those promises. Mrs. Clinton is a life-time politician who has repeatedly failed in fact. She has NO postitive accomplishments in her lifetime. And news stories of her accepting payments for access to the highest levels of government keep emerging every day.

In addition, the United States does have enemies. And she has shown that she sells assets of the United States to foreign unfriendly forces routinely. Such as the huge sale of uranium to Russia in return for a series of payments totaling $145 million. There are books and films made of “Clinton Cash” and “Hillary’s America”.

Mr. Trump has a public record of accomplishments. Some failures. They are all public. As a result of his work, he has built up a company with 22,000 employees and about 10,000 contractor workers. Everyone speaks highly of him. And there are numerous stories of his private philanthropy.

So, in comparison, Mr. Trump has many more positive things to point to. In addition, he invites our attention to tax policy, as one example among many examples, where we are hurting ourselves and which could be corrected literally in one day.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Thank you for responding to the reasonable questions I asked about the logistics of a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border with facts that would cause me to support it.

There are about sixty countries that have built walls to prevent people from entering illegally.

Israel built one with tilt up concrete slabs, which is fast, easy and inexpensive.

One of the other posters has provided a photograph of the Israeli wall.

Trump has discussed his proposal which follows along the design of the Israeli plan.

There are many different designs. For example, many of our highways have so-called “noise walls” … precast concrete columns that have slots cast into the sides; they go into drilled holes in the ground. Then precast concrete slabs are slid down into the slots. Very fast.

Precasting can be done very easily and quickly and cheaply. AND the place where the precasting is done is inside, so the workers can work under a roof and in comfort. And they can work in shifts, 24/7. And under conrolled conditions, you can use very high strength concrete, which is difficult to work with in the field.

One of the countries with closed borders is Mexico. If you get caught there illegally, you will be severely punished.

 

[sallybutler]

There are about sixty countries that have built walls to prevent people from entering illegally.

Israel built one with tilt up concrete slabs, which is fast, easy and inexpensive.

One of the other posters has provided a photograph of the Israeli wall.

Trump has discussed his proposal which follows along the design of the Israeli plan.

There are many different designs. For example, many of our highways have so-called “noise walls” … precast concrete columns that have slots cast into the sides; they go into drilled holes in the ground. Then precast concrete slabs are slid down into the slots. Very fast.

Precasting can be done very easily and quickly and cheaply. AND the place where the precasting is done is inside, so the workers can work under a roof and in comfort. And they can work in shifts, 24/7. And under conrolled conditions, you can use very high strength concrete, which is difficult to work with in the field.

One of the countries with closed borders is Mexico. If you get caught there illegally, you will be severely punished.

Wouldn’t the steel girders like are already in place on some of the border be better? They could be pounded deeper preventing tunnels. Although I suppose along the coast cement walls could double as dikes during storm surges.

I am still concerned about other entry points. How will the southern land wall help with the water based entry points?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

The American people are exhausted from listening to the promises made by career politicians and then being unable or unwilling to deliver on those promises. Mrs. Clinton is a life-time politician who has repeatedly failed in fact. She has NO postitive accomplishments in her lifetime.

1.While serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee she made veterans a main focus. She introduced the Heroes at Home Act in 2006 and 2007 to help family members care for those with Traumatic Brain Injury. She also worked to increase the military survivor benefit from $12,000 to $100,000, and cosponsored the Support for Injured Servicemembers Act to extend benefits provided under the Family and Medical Leave Act. Hillary also worked across the aisle to keep the Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station open during a time when the Pentagon was shuttering bases, which saved 800 jobs in upstate New York.

2.She worked with Republicans to expand health care for National Guard members and reservists. According to McClatchy, then-Senator Clinton worked with Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to “provide full military health benefits to reservists and National Guard members.” A statement from Graham’s senate office said, “Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) today announced that the Department of Defense Authorization bill conference report finalized today includes an amendment that will improve TRICARE benefits for National Guard members and Reservists, allowing all members of the Selected Reserve and their families to enroll in TRICARE with an across the board cost-sharing of 28 percent. Today’s victory builds on the Senators’ longstanding commitment to ensuring that members of our National Guard and Reserve and their families have access to the health care benefits they need and deserve.”

1. In the afterrmath of 9/11, she fought to secure funds for medical assessment, referrals and outreach for 9/11 rescue and recovery workers, and volunteers.

4.She worked in the Senate to strengthen the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, introducing multiple bills allowing states to expand the program that she helped create as First Lady. The program, created in 1997, increased health coverage for children in low income and working families. Hillary also co-wrote a law compelling drug companies to conduct safety tests for products prescribed for children, and wrote a component of the No Child Left Behind Act authorizing funding for recruiting and retaining better teachers.

1. She wrote a law as Senator providing grants to state and local governments to pay for respite care services for family caregivers, which allows expanded funding for temporary breaks for caregivers of sick or disabled people.

You may not agree with some of the things she accomplished, and that is your right. But it is revisionist history to say she didn’t accomplish anything.

Mr. Trump has a public record of accomplishments. Some failures. They are all public. As a result of his work, he has built up a company with 22,000 employees and about 10,000 contractor workers.

“Built-up” is a bit of a misnomer when was handed a huge head start from his rich dad. The best you can say is that he maintained his wealth - often at the expense of contractors who he refused to pay through bankruptcy, and through questionable means like Trump University.

Everyone speaks highly of him.

That is certainly an exaggeration.

 

[zz912]

^^This. There is more to being pro-life than simply anti-abortion. Trump, I truly believe, will get us into WWIII. I believe he will cause more death, pain and suffering that Hillary ever would - not that I like her.

The actual results of Hillary as Secretary of State is a Middle East in flames and the virulent spread of Islam. Those are her actual results.

But you want to think she’ll magically be more peaceful than Trump.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Do you have any evidence of this mindset among Republicans? Lacking strong evidence to the contrary, the most straightforward premise is that Republicans (and Democrats too) are primarily interested in furthering their own particular vision of US government. Anyone who is on the same page with them in that effort would be welcomed in their respective parties, regardless of whether they are in some nebulous “club”. There are too many instances in history of successful outsiders who were welcomed on the basis of their views. Ronald Regan, for example, was not shunned for being an outsider. The difference between Trump and Regan is that Regan held views that appealed to other Republican “insiders”. Some of Trump’s views do not.

Ronal Regan was indeed shunned his first go round,How quickly we forget.

 

[haljoseph]

I’m in favor of the wall so that my sister can sleep at night without worrying about seeing yet another “peaceful migrant” peering in her windows. I’m in favor of the wall because people who have followed the laws regarding immigration are being cheated. I’m in favor of the wall because US businesses and industries need to learn how to survive without an underclass to whom they can pay slave wages. Finally, I’m in favor of the wall because a nation has a right to defend its borders.

"people who have followed the laws regarding immigration are being cheated" I had a Spanish teacher who held a PhD in economics who followed the immigration laws and enjoyed a good salary, had a drivers license of course and was able to do what every U.S. citizen can do. To come to the US illegally is a show of ignorance.

 

[Al_Moritz]

1.While serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee she made veterans a main focus. She introduced the Heroes at Home Act in 2006 and 2007 to help family members care for those with Traumatic Brain Injury. She also worked to increase the military survivor benefit from $12,000 to $100,000, and cosponsored the Support for Injured Servicemembers Act to extend benefits provided under the Family and Medical Leave Act. Hillary also worked across the aisle to keep the Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station open during a time when the Pentagon was shuttering bases, which saved 800 jobs in upstate New York.

2.She worked with Republicans to expand health care for National Guard members and reservists. According to McClatchy, then-Senator Clinton worked with Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) to “provide full military health benefits to reservists and National Guard members.” A statement from Graham’s senate office said, “Senators Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) today announced that the Department of Defense Authorization bill conference report finalized today includes an amendment that will improve TRICARE benefits for National Guard members and Reservists, allowing all members of the Selected Reserve and their families to enroll in TRICARE with an across the board cost-sharing of 28 percent. Today’s victory builds on the Senators’ longstanding commitment to ensuring that members of our National Guard and Reserve and their families have access to the health care benefits they need and deserve.”

1. In the afterrmath of 9/11, she fought to secure funds for medical assessment, referrals and outreach for 9/11 rescue and recovery workers, and volunteers.

4.She worked in the Senate to strengthen the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, introducing multiple bills allowing states to expand the program that she helped create as First Lady. The program, created in 1997, increased health coverage for children in low income and working families. Hillary also co-wrote a law compelling drug companies to conduct safety tests for products prescribed for children, and wrote a component of the No Child Left Behind Act authorizing funding for recruiting and retaining better teachers.

1. She wrote a law as Senator providing grants to state and local governments to pay for respite care services for family caregivers, which allows expanded funding for temporary breaks for caregivers of sick or disabled people.

You may not agree with some of the things she accomplished, and that is your right. But it is revisionist history to say she didn’t accomplish anything.

Thanks for posting that.

 

[DeniseNY]

Ronal Regan was indeed shunned his first go round,How quickly we forget.

Exactly.

 

[Al_Moritz]

Gary Johnson: Trump is a fascist

Gary Johnson increased his attacks on Donald Trump on Tuesday, saying that he would consider him a fascist.

“It walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,” he told The New York Times, when asked if he thought Trump is a fascist. “Where’s the Constitution in all this?”

Johnson’s increased attacks on Trump come as he is trying to reach the 15 percent threshold in national polls to make the presidential debates. Johnson is also competing against Jill Stein, the Green Party ticket, and Evan McMullin, who recently mounted an independent bid for president, in portraying himself as an alternative to Trump and Hillary Clinton, two of the most unpopular nominees in history.

“We’re likable,” Johnson said about him and his running mate, Bill Weld.

The Libertarian candidate didn’t hold back on Clinton either, slamming the Clinton Foundation for a “pay for play” model, accusing the Clintons of allowing foundation donors access to governmental officials particularly when Clinton was secretary of state.

Johnson told The Times his campaign is considering national ads after Labor Day and sees Utah, Alaska, North and South Dakota as winnable states. However, he said he doesn’t see endorsements coming from the Republican establishment that remain anti-Trump such as Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney.

“To come out in support of anyone other than a member of your party — I understand how difficult that is,” he said.

 

[petra22]

I’m in favor of the wall so that my sister can sleep at night without worrying about seeing yet another “peaceful migrant” peering in her windows. I’m in favor of the wall because people who have followed the laws regarding immigration are being cheated. I’m in favor of the wall because US businesses and industries need to learn how to survive without an underclass to whom they can pay slave wages. Finally, I’m in favor of the wall because a nation has a right to defend its borders.

I don’t live in a state that borders Mexico but I’m in favor of a wall or at least letting the border patrol do it’s job… I have watched how the drugs come through our open borders and those drugs make way up the US to where I live and they are ruining our children (and some adults who haven’t been able to kick the habit…) We are a poor state but feel so rich if we can get our drugs (sarcasm)! We need jobs for our kids and our adults. We want to work but like some of the larger cities, we have fallen for the democratic line so that we are dependent on government… build the wall…

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Wouldn’t the steel girders like are already in place on some of the border be better? They could be pounded deeper preventing tunnels. Although I suppose along the coast cement walls could double as dikes during storm surges.

I am still concerned about other entry points. How will the southern land wall help with the water based entry points?

The existing steel columns are almost trivial in size … depends on which steel things you are referring to.

Take a look at a noise wall.

Or click on my name and take a look at the photo posted by estesbob.

Originally Posted by estesbob View Post
Israel uses the slab technique on some of its border walls

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Ronal Regan was indeed shunned his first go round,How quickly we forget.

Do you mean 1976 when the incumbent was Gerald Ford?

How often does the actual president not get the nomination for the party?

Here is what Peggy Noonan had to say regarding the comparisons between Trump and Reagan. (She was his speech writer BTW)

wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-is-no-ronald-reagan-1466724268

Here is a section of the article:

Look, Mr. Trump is not Ronald Reagan, I said. Reagan served two full terms as the governor of a state so vast that if it were a country it would have been one of the important economies in the world. He was a union president who served seven terms during the most fraught time in Hollywood’s history and emerged respected by all sides. He was no novice.

He was the leader of an entire political movement (however nascent) for more than a decade before taking the White House. Yes he had been an entertainer, an actor, and had loved it and seen himself as an artist. And it is true that he was looked down on by liberal elites. But it is not true that nobody respected him. The people elected him in landslides

If the above link doesn’t work then this one is on Ms. Noonan’s actual web page.

peggynoonan.com/donald-trump-is-no-ronald-reagan/?s=trump+reagan

 

[Jeanne_S]

Do you mean 1976 when the incumbent was Gerald Ford?

How often does the actual president not get the nomination for the party?

Here is what Peggy Noonan had to say regarding the comparisons between Trump and Reagan. (She was his speech writer BTW)

wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-is-no-ronald-reagan-1466724268

Here is a section of the article:

If the above link doesn’t work then this one is on Ms. Noonan’s actual web page.

peggynoonan.com/donald-trump-is-no-ronald-reagan/?s=trump+reagan

Believe me,I am fully aware that DT is no Ronald Reagan.I have my trepidations about supporting DT ,he certainly wasn’t my first choice. It is a difficult decision we are faced with this Fall in that for the most part a vote for DT is actually a vote against H C. Hard to get enthused about that.As has been debated throughly ,HC is so corrupt,it seems we have no choice.I pray about this daily.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Hope for Trump: GOP winning registration race in key states

Read more: politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-voter-registration-republican-battleground-227216#ixzz4IG94qnfy
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[Al_Moritz]

Hope for Trump: GOP winning registration race in key states

Read more: politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-voter-registration-republican-battleground-227216#ixzz4IG94qnfy
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Right, but the article also says:

Hillary Clinton remains comfortably ahead by an average of 6 points in the Real Clear Politics average of national polls, and encouraging registration trends alone will be insufficient to carry Trump in must-win states like Pennsylvania, where he trails by an average of 9 points in recent polls. Meanwhile, Republicans have been losing ground in Hispanic-heavy Western battlegrounds of Colorado, Arizona and Nevada, where Democrats have boosted their voter registration standing in recent months.

 

[petra22]

I am claiming the following

1. just because you do not agree with the reasons for someone else’s fears does not mean they aren’t well-reasoned and based on historical facts. Where did I claim that fears necessarily caused paralysis? That seems to be a new subject.
2. I said, I thought rather clearly, that fear already drives public policy. I did not mean to make a value judgement on that fact, I was just pointing out a fact.
3. An opinion is a fancy word for feeling. Every one that posts about this theoretical wall that has no blueprints, no design, is voicing an opinion (feeling) about something that hasn’t even gotten on the drawing board much less off it. If we could not voice our opinions (feelings) on various topics unless they met strict standards, these forums would be barren.

That being said, a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border would not necessarily keep out illegal immigrants. Remember the 9/11 thugs came in thru Canada. The female thug in San Bernardino came in on an airplane, probably in LA or NY.

What about the Florida coast? How are you going to keep people from taking a plane to Canada and hiking taking the road migrants used to work in Maine?

Next, you is going to put up the money initially? Or will building start before Mexico turns over the money?

Will someone be monitoring the wall for maintenance purposes? Will Mexico also be paying for that?

Will Mexico decide to patrol their side, arresting anyone they find?

Wil the wall be built exactly on the border or some feet back? If the latter, how will that space be treated?

Since none of these questions have answers, any thing any of us say is an opinion (feeling) about the viability and usefulness of a wall.

Remember we (US) have some parts of walls and some border patrol folks who are directed to ignore illegals pouring over… we could just start by following laws set up to protect the southern border and then increase the wall as needed… that would be a start… and as far as Mexico paying for it? They aren’t going to pay cash, no. They are going to pay by reducing the inequitable trade deficit. Did you hear that part?

 

[_Abyssinia]

Poll: Trump leads Clinton by 15 in Utah

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/292341-poll-trump-leads-clinton-by-15-in-utah

This poll also takes into consideration Gary Johnson and Evan McMullin.

Could this poll be the beginning of a trend in polls showing Trump ahead on Florida? Time will tell.

Trump 43, Clinton 41
realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/FAU_Florida_August.pdf

He’s getting the support of 20% of African Americans in this Florida poll and 40% of Hispanics?