Trump tries to smear Martin Gugino, Catholic Peace Activist

[CTBcin]

I find it a little sickening that Catholics on a Catholic forum are defending police who pushed down and severely injured an unarmed 75 year old, and on top of that, walked on by without rendering any kind of aid.

 

[F_Marturana]

I saw that they left him on the floor with blood pooling around his head. Great police work!

 

[FiveLinden]

So is any Catholic thinking if responding to my question about calumny and detraction?

 

[Freddy]

Many of these protesters should pray in thanks there was no “Kent State 2.0.”

This is where we’re at. We should be thankful people weren’t shot. How on earth did we get here…

 

[neophyte]

I saw that they left him on the floor with blood pooling around his head. Great police work!

Don’t hurt him more than he’s already hurt, by doing something that you’re not trained to do. Let EMS take care of it, the guys who are actually trained to handle someone who’s got blood coming out of his ears.

It’s good that you understand.

 

[Freddy]

F_Marturana:

I saw that they left him on the floor with blood pooling around his head. Great police work!

Don’t hurt him more than he’s already hurt, by doing something that you’re not trained to do.

It’s good that you understand.

So I’d guess that you’d walk by as well. Seeing as you wouldn’t want to cause him any more distress.

 

[buffalo]

I would wait a wee bit longer to pass judgement. Follow the money. Catholic or not this guy was up to no good.

Did he get paid? If so, who. It needs to be investigated.

The “75 year old gentleman” walking towards the police and then getting in the officers space with hand a cell phone was done for a reason. Police cannot presume that this guy was not intending to harm them. It is instinctive for anyone to push away in normal times, much more in this volatile time.

 

[buffalo]

That is what the media wanted you to see and conclude. EMS follows behind the line for the very reason to treat the injured.

 

[Freddy]

I have to stop reading this thread. I am losing my faith in basic human decency.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

I respectfully disagree.

We are what our actions say we are.
Trump has consistently appointed conservative federal judges in an effort to remake the federal bench into a much more pro-life-friendly judiciary. He’s the only sitting president to attend the march for life. He’s pro-life, certainly moreso than either of the Bushes.

If our actions speak for us, the man needs to say no abortion at all is acceptable, at all, no exceptions.
That he has not done, his actions are meaningless if he supports abortion for rape and incest.

I appreciate your post though

 

[Freddy]

VonDerTann:

I respectfully disagree.

We are what our actions say we are.
Trump has consistently appointed conservative federal judges in an effort to remake the federal bench into a much more pro-life-friendly judiciary. He’s the only sitting president to attend the march for life. He’s pro-life, certainly moreso than either of the Bushes.

If our actions speak for us, the man needs to say no abortion at all is acceptable, at all, no exceptions.
That he has not done, his actions are meaningless if he supports abortion for rape and incest.

I appreciate your post though

And you’d believe him if he did? With his track record?

 

[Nepperhan]

Ponder this: Some protesters say they are going to a college to protest a commencement speaker and that they intend to be arrested. Well, the protesters went to the college, the police told them to leave private property, they refused and were arrested! The protesters were let out without bail but charged with trespass. This actually happened.

What did conservatives think about all this? They called it a sorrow and a pity, a shame and a travesty of justice as to protesters yelling about Obama speaking at Notre Dame. It was asked: “How could the police arrest an old man?”

Now, compare that to the response to the treatment of protesters this month. The difference is startling.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Catholic or not he seemed to be an agitator.

Yes, agitating for justice. Such a non-Catholic thing to do!

That is what the media wanted you to see and conclude. EMS follows behind the line for the very reason to treat the injured.

The media did not make it up or plan it. It was real. Don’t fall for Trump’s conspiracy theories!

 

[neophyte]

I think people are looking for a simple, “Are you OK? That was a nasty fall. Please stay calm and stay still, sir…

Because virtue-signaling to bystanders is more important than following the incident protocols that have already been established? Have you no concept of how teams work? The police handle crowd control, and EMS handles injuries. You do what you’re trained to do, and not what you ain’t.

This stuff about how they ignored the guy is complete made-up nonsense, the video itself proves that. There were two Guardsmen at his side in just a few seconds, and EMS was already nearby. Y’all are grasping at straws.

 

[VonDerTann]

Your position is one I’ve seen from time to time, and, respectfully, I have a serious issue with it: It can be distilled to “person X isn’t pro-life until he does something more!” where there’s always “a more,” which is ever more extreme.

“He’s not pro-life until he says no abortions, ever” invariably becomes - to someone else, – “he’s not pro-life until he refuses to ever speak to a pro-choice person!.” Look, there are some misguided folks who would say, “you’re not pro-life till you burn down an abortion clinic” or something similar. Where do we draw the line?

Realistically, by actions, Trump is the most pro-life president we’ve ever had.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

And you’d believe him if he did? With his track record?

Freddy!
I am trying to stick to one issue at a time. For the record and to answer you, I believe both candidates should retire to a rocking chair filled porch and write their memoirs. I would remove all long tailed cats from that porch though.

Your position is one I’ve seen from time to time, and, respectfully, I have a serious issue with it: It can be distilled to “person X isn’t pro-life until he does something more!” where there’s always “a more,” which is ever more extreme.

My position is stop promoting yourself as pro life when you truly are not.

He can speak to whoever he wants to, thats no skin off my nose.

Realistically, by actions, Trump is the most pro-life president we’ve ever had.

Realistically ’ most’ is not good enough. For me as a Catholic.

 

[neophyte]

So I’d guess that you’d walk by as well. Seeing as you wouldn’t want to cause him any more distress.

I wouldn’t, because I’ve had a lot of training in how to provide emergency care in situations like that. You seem to be unwilling to acknowledge the fact that if you don’t know how to properly treat someone with a severe head injury, you’re quite likely to do more harm than good by trying. This guy was injured far beyond what common first-aid training can prepare you for.

In this case those officers did exactly what they should have when they waited for someone with proper training to take care of him.

 

[Hume]

I have to stop reading this thread. I am losing my faith in basic human decency.

It seems that there are many who think the police should be allowed to get away with basically whatever they want.

that’s an awful lot of power to invest in a guy who often times just has a high school diploma.

 

[PetraG]

Black “fear of police” is unreasonable.
Statistically blacks have much more to fear from other blacks than from police. The biggest killer of black men statistically is other black men.

Your logic is not logical.

Why on earth would having a fear of one group of people make it unreasonable to have a fear of another group of people?

Women are statistically the most likely to be assaulted or killed by the man living with them than by some stranger. Is it therefore unreasonable that women would fear being assaulted by a stranger?

By your logic, nobody in the US should be afraid of being murdered by anybody else, since suicide is twice as prevalent as homicide!!

But we digress. None of this has a single thing to do with why on earth the President of the United States, the great enemy of Fake News, would ever spread the vicious and unsubstantiated rumor he tried to spread. There is no excuse for it. Worse yet, even if it were totally true it would be a dereliction of duty for the President of the United States to act in a way that will logically exacerbate the protests now going on in the country.

He should be trying to calm the situation. He is doing just the opposite.

 

[VonDerTann]

…And therein lies the problem. Heck, your word choice says it: For some, nothing will ever be good enough. Appoint pro-life judges? Speak at the March for Life? Advocate for the unborn? NOPE! NEVER good enough!

(Editing to add: And even if he said exactly what you ask, some would say, “well, he’s dishonest, he doesn’t really believe it!”. As I said…for some, literally it will never be enough.