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Thorolfr
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But Trump has said that he is not against abortion in cases of rape or incest or the health of the mother. So does he still count as being against abortion?
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Ridgerunner
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Nobody in the west deliberately targets noncombatants.
Then every war ever fought is an end-to-end war crime. When an enemy embeds among civilians, care should be taken to avoid civilian casualties, but it’s not forbidden if casualties occur among civilians when necessary actions are undertaken.
If one is a Quaker or something and against all war no matter what, then that’s one’s moral position, but it has never been the position of the Catholic Church that no enemy can be fought if noncombatant casualites would inevitably result in the course of it.
If you’re a total conscientious objector, just say so. Don’t go calling our soldiers and airmen murderers just because some noncombatant deaths occur in the course of their seeking out and destroying the enemy.
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estesbob
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The Church says that when two candidates support evil you may support the one who would do the least harm-Archbishop Chaput says this is not supporting the lesser of two evils-it is voting to lessen evil.
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Ridgerunner
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Apparently so in virtually all cases, yes.
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irishpatrick
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Not true. The three major exceptions equals abortion on demand.
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jtauke
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Yeah, support the man that made a mockery of multiple marriages with his adulterous acts.
And the torture.
And the flip flop on abortion.
And the unrealistic immigration policies.
And the xenophobia.
And the rampant insults.
And the outright lies.
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jtauke
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Someone should tell the Bishop there’s more than two options.
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Ridgerunner
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No, that’s just silly. His statement was in the context of criticizing the “politically correct” kind of warfare that needlessly endangers our own soldiers by overly-restrictive rules of engagement.
He’s not the only one who says that, he’s just the only one currently running against Hillary Clinton who says it. But everybody knows it’s true.
Remember, we now have somewhere around 5,000-6,000 troops over in ISIS country right now that the government admits are there. Likely there are more.
Would you revive Bin Ladin if you could? Four noncombatants were killed in that raid. Let us know if you would have refused to let the raid happen.
He’s not the only one who says that, he’s just the only one currently running against Hillary Clinton who says it. But everybody knows it’s true.
Remember, we now have somewhere around 5,000-6,000 troops over in ISIS country right now that the government admits are there. Likely there are more.
Would you revive Bin Ladin if you could? Four noncombatants were killed in that raid. Let us know if you would have refused to let the raid happen.
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jtauke
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You never did describe what “go after their families” means…Care to elaborate?
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jtauke
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I’m sick of hearing about how Trump is so great because he’s not politically correct…
We have rules of engagement for a reason. End of story. You do not fight monsters by becoming a monster or even taking queues from the monsters.
So pray tell, what exactly is so overly-restrictive for our military?
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Crossbones
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Yet.
I’m not calling anyone a murderer because the US has not implemented the policy proposed by Trump to intentionally target the families of terrorists and murder them. I would think that the servicemen would be put in a horrible spot of either disobeying a civilian authority over the military (a foundation of America) or participating in a war crime and murder.
So, let’s be clear, what Trump is proposing is murder. What you say in this post is a straw man and not representative of what I was talking about at all.
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Convert_in_99
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Supposing he truly is a converted man, do you know how many abortions could be covered under “rape, incest and ‘health’ of mother?”
That does NOT imply that in “virtually all cases” he is against abortion.
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dixieagle
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As evidenced by the (minority of) Republican primary voters who fell for Trump’s con job.
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dixieagle
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Stop making so much sense!!!
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dixieagle
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Except Trump, as evidenced by his own words.
Mary_Gail_36
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And first trimester. In at least one interview he said that he wasn’t sure if first trimester abortions should be permitted.Supposing he truly is a converted man, do you know how many abortions could be covered under “rape, incest and ‘health’ of mother?”
That does NOT imply that in “virtually all cases” he is against abortion.
And let’s not forget in the same interview where he said there should be some punishment for post abortive women, he also stated women who wanted abortions would probably need to go to an illegal place. In less than five minutes he portrayed the prolife movement as wanting women to have illegal abortions and getting punished for it.
I didn’t forget that part of the interview, and neither did Hillary. She put it in an attack ad.
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Convert_in_99
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The grief they experience post-abortion will cause a lifetime of intense suffering. That’s punishment enough!And first trimester. In at least one interview he said that he wasn’t sure if first trimester abortions should be permitted.
And let’s not forget in the same interview where he said there should be some punishment for post abortive women, he also stated women who wanted abortions would probably need to go to an illegal place. In less than five minutes he portrayed the prolife movement as wanting women to have illegal abortions and getting punished for it.
I didn’t forget that part of the interview, and neither did Hillary. She put it in an attack ad.
Trump really seems to have a fascination with punishing people.
Oh, so he’s unsure wether or not first-trimester abortions are acceptable??? That makes up the majority of abortions!
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Ridgerunner
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Straw man?
Trump didn’t say what you’re attributing to him. Pure and simple, he didn’t say it. That’s your interpretation of it. Never did he advocate deliberately targeting the families of terrorists.
In the context, he was talking about excessively restrictive rules of engagement. I happen to think he is wrong about whether terrorists care enough about their families to stop hiding behind them. People who strap bombs onto their children or (like Bin Ladin) put their wives in front of the gun, aren’t terribly concerned about their families.
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Ridgerunner
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You do realize, do you not, that he’s a Presbyterian, and his church is not the Catholic Church. The Presbyterian church is very accepting of abortion. If Trump has backed off from what his church teaches (and he has, it appears) then that’s not something for which to condemn him.The grief they experience post-abortion will cause a lifetime of intense suffering. That’s punishment enough!
Trump really seems to have a fascination with punishing people.
Oh, so he’s unsure wether or not first-trimester abortions are acceptable??? That makes up the majority of abortions!
But regardless, he said he opposes abortion except in the cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother. That is NOT abortion on demand such as Hillary Clinton espouses. She even favors partial birth abortion; killing a perfectly viable child who is mostly born but not quite.
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Ridgerunner
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He did not add “health”. He added “life”. That’s not the same thing.Supposing he truly is a converted man, do you know how many abortions could be covered under “rape, incest and ‘health’ of mother?”
That does NOT imply that in “virtually all cases” he is against abortion.
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