Trump v. Clinton matchup has Catholic leaders scrambling

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In what sense do you consider voting on the basis of civil rights, immigration reform, women’s rights, and the like selfish?
Only after the non-negotiables are all checked with a yes.

Trust me, if there was a democrat who passed all the non-negotiables, I would very well consider voting for them.

There are some issues tha I totally agree with the Democrates on: I.E increasing federal funding for Amtrak & public transportation. Honestly, at the moment, that’s the only thing I can think of.
 
There’s five others I also consider:
  1. Traditional Marriage
  2. Euthanasia
  3. Embryonic Stem Cell-Research
  4. Human Cloning.
For good measure, I’m also including religious freedom.

By large measure, these are the issues I consider. Not what someone says or whose words are twisted about things like women, immigrants, Muslims or whomever. I think voting on these bases is extremely selfish, even if one is not a part of these groups.

The personal selfishness illustrated by numerous voters is really quite transparent.
Although from my understanding, “non negotiables” is a term that came into the forefront through the works of this lay-run private internet business calling itself “Catholic Answers”, I do find it strange how this site counts 5 yet the Pope himself says he doesn’t count values on fingers and has never understood the expression 5 non negotiables. 🤷

catholicnewsagency.com/news/all-values-are-non-negotiable-pope-says-in-new-interview/
 
It seems that many believe that putting (R) behind his name absolves him of pretty much anything.
You know what would be really funny? And I know it’s a serious topic, but please bear with me. Getting Trump into a situation where he could be presented with an on the spot “quiz” on the non-negotiables - no advisers, no one to prompt the correct responses! I would absolutely pay to see that!
 
You know what would be really funny? And I know it’s a serious topic, but please bear with me. Getting Trump into a situation where he could be presented with an on the spot “quiz” on the non-negotiables - no advisers, no one to prompt the correct responses! I would absolutely pay to see that!
I think he would merely spout off whatever came to his mind on the spur of the moment and then later would have to correct it or change it or later on say what he supposedly really meant in the first place. Maybe thru Twitter. That seems to be how he operates and it hasn’t hurt him yet. But we’ll have to see if he is still made of such teflon and everything just bounces off of him no matter what he says once the general election campaign begins in earnest after the conventions are over. The Republican primary isn’t necessarily the general election.
 
where he could be presented with an on the spot “quiz”
Like Hillary agreeing in April an aborted fetus is a unborn person?
Diana Arellano, manager of community engagement for Planned Parenthood Illinois Action, said Sunday that Mrs. Clinton’s comments undermined the cause for abortion rights.
The comment “further stigmatizes #abortion,” Ms. Arellano said in a tweet. “She calls a fetus an ‘unborn child’ & calls for later term restrictions.”
Describing the fetus as a “person” or “child” has long been anathema to the pro-choice movement, which argues the terms misleadingly imply a sense of humanity.
 
The Republican primary isn’t necessarily the general election.
And for sure neither is the Democratic highly contested primary. Bernie promised to fire Wasserman this morning from the crooked Hillary DNC I hear, and more protests are set up.

There’s no reason to believe Hillary even gets in let alone with her FBI complications. Its wishful thinking in fact. She is scandalous and frankly can’t beat Trump as the polls show.

Looks like more socialism and Hillary leaning further left to a unacceptable Catholic paradigm.
 
Voting for a write in candidate who has no chance of winning is a wasted vote and in my opinion a selfish vote.

The reason I think it’s selfish is because the voter is voting for someone that makes them feel better, instead of making the hard choice of choising the lesser than two evils. In today’s American political climate, there is usually a candidate that the ProLife collation views as an acceptable or better choice. Rarely do we have both candidates who are for allowing unrestricted abortion all the up to birth, like Hillary is. Only 20some % of Americans agree with Hillary’s extreme view on Abortion. There is a reason for that.

Anyway, voting for a write in candidate will only help Hillary. By voting for someone other than Trump, you WILL help Hillary.
Since the U.S. doesn’t elect it’s president based on the popular vote, this depends on the state one lives in. Unless of course you think a lot of die-hard Republicans in some state, such *** Kansas, will not be voting for Trump. If this is true, perhaps we need to look at why they don’t want to vote for Trump.

By the way, if one feels that Trump would be bad but you say they must vote for him anyway because we can’t allow a Democrat to become President, isn’t that bordering on the end justifies the means, also against Catholic teaching? I’m just asking because it sometimes seems like a fine line.
 
You know what would be really funny? And I know it’s a serious topic, but please bear with me. Getting Trump into a situation where he could be presented with an on the spot “quiz” on the non-negotiables - no advisers, no one to prompt the correct responses! I would absolutely pay to see that!
As a Presbyterian and not a Catholic, Trump may not view these five issues as non-negotiables.
 
Thanks for proving the point. Everything sticks to Hillary Clinton. Yet everything bounces off of Donald Trump.
Elementary conversation really, the fact is CAF, EWTN and frankly every Catholic teaching has to be neglected for Hillary to remotely be offered as acceptable from a Catholic paradigm. She has a anti christian socialist platform. She in fact persecutes christians as does this party. The best I seen offered in 1000 posts is one misquoted Bishop.

I don’t see an argument nor point just speculation bad logic and bad opinion of church reading.

The democratic socialist party is diametrically opposed to Catholicism/Orthodoxy. 🤷
 
You know what would be really funny? And I know it’s a serious topic, but please bear with me. Getting Trump into a situation where he could be presented with an on the spot “quiz” on the non-negotiables - no advisers, no one to prompt the correct responses! I would absolutely pay to see that!
His on the spot abortion answers are already scary enough.

Especially suggesting that women would need to go to those “illegal places”.

And torture is an intrinsic evil.

Perhaps no one thought to put torture on a list of non-negotiables because who would have imagined there would be a candidate who would actually endorse torture?
 
Thank you. It’s refreshing to see that you’re not a one-issue voter. 👍
Is there anything a candidate could support that would disqualify them from getting your vote regardless of their stance on other issues ?
 
Thanks for proving the point. Everything sticks to Hillary Clinton. Yet everything bounces off of Donald Trump.
Oh my goodness, truer words were never spoken. His supporters have given Trump a permanent Get Out of Jail Free tattoo. It’s fascinating how wealth and celebrity and dazzle really do draw us to people.

But as Mrs. Clinton herself has said, decades of having everything thrown at her but the kitchen sink and she’s still standing!
 
Elementary conversation really, the fact is CAF, EWTN and frankly every Catholic teaching has to be neglected for Hillary to remotely be offered as acceptable from a Catholic paradigm. She has a anti christian socialist platform. She in fact persecutes christians as does this party. The best I seen offered in 1000 posts is one misquoted Bishop.

I don’t see an argument nor point just speculation bad logic and bad opinion of church reading.

The democratic socialist party is diametrically opposed to Catholicism/Orthodoxy. 🤷
We have the teachings of the bishops in Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship and you are going elsewhere. You somehow claim that Bishop Kicanas is misquoted even though every time there is a post on it, it contains a direct quote from the bishop.

Sadly, it seems you are seeking out documentation that supports your personal interpretation of Church teaching instead of taking it all in and then deciding how to vote using a well-formed conscience as all Catholics should.
 
Oh my goodness, truer words were never spoken. His supporters have given Trump a permanent Get Out of Jail Free tattoo. It’s fascinating how wealth and celebrity and dazzle really do draw us to people.

But as Mrs. Clinton herself has said, decades of having everything thrown at her but the kitchen sink and she’s still standing!
If the general election does turn out to be between Hillary and Trump, I believe the kitchen sink is next!
 
We have the teachings of the bishops in Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship and you are going elsewhere. You somehow claim that Bishop Kicanas is misquoted even though every time there is a post on it, it contains a direct quote from the bishop.

Sadly, it seems you are seeking out documentation that supports your personal interpretation of Church teaching instead of taking it all in and then deciding how to vote using a well-formed conscience as all Catholics should.
He is misquoted and I showed how and on this thread. There is no argument about it. I view all the teaching of the Church unlike the failed theory of one misquoted Bishop in a bad sola reading of what another thinks he is saying and wrongly I might add. Thats what personal interpretation is. And as I said while neglecting “all” other. Let alone CAF which you have to throw under the bus along with EWTN, and while ignoring the preponderance of evidence is some sola rendition reading of one Bishop.

The entire American population must be wrong about Hillary leading the Unfavorable/Untrustworthy category. Nothing makes her more palatable.

That said it doesn’t matter if its Bernie or Hillary as the new leftist democratic socialist platform is diametrically opposed to Catholicism/Orthodoxy. Its doesn’t matter if its Joe Biden etc. They persecute the religious and their liberty. And I guess admittedly by democrats as they have no argument just a bad comparison. But the fact is that doesn’t matter as this party itself is diametrically opposed to Orthodoxy. Its become an enemy of Christs Church. They have doubled down and call the Little Sisters of the Poor a “win”. I guess thats a redeeming quality for Catholic Democrats. The good of which there is none outweighs the intentional evil persecution. What a point-one sola reading of bishop.

archive.wf-f.org/Catholics_ReligiousLiberty.html
 
He is misquoted and I showed how and on this thread. There is no argument about it. I view all the teaching of the Church unlike the failed theory of one misquoted Bishop in a bad sola reading of what another thinks he is saying and wrongly I might add. Thats what personal interpretation is. And as I said while neglecting “all” other. Let alone CAF which you have to throw under the bus along with EWTN, and while ignoring the preponderance of evidence is some sola rendition reading of one Bishop.

The entire American population must be wrong about Hillary leading the Unfavorable/Untrustworthy category. Nothing makes her more palatable.

That said it doesn’t matter if its Bernie or Hillary as the new leftist democratic socialist platform is diametrically opposed to Catholicism/Orthodoxy. Its doesn’t matter if its Joe Biden etc. They persecute the religious and their liberty. And I guess admittedly by democrats as they have no argument just a bad comparison. But the fact is that doesn’t matter as this party itself is diametrically opposed to Orthodoxy. Its become an enemy of Christs Church. They have doubled down and call the Little Sisters of the Poor a “win”. I guess thats a redeeming quality for Catholic Democrats. The good of which there is none outweighs the intentional evil persecution. What a point-one sola reading of bishop.

archive.wf-f.org/Catholics_ReligiousLiberty.html
The Democratic Party is not officially a socialist party. They just have a socialist candidate running for them.
 
The Democratic Party is not officially a socialist party. They just have a socialist candidate running for them.
Oh I contend it is as Bernie states and Hillary moves closer to Bernie and well lets be honest Debbie Wasserman of the DNC could not differentiate between the Democratic Party and the Socialist Party. Because there is none, so imo we would be talking semantics.

I think the party should be rejected by all Catholics and Christians as I said it is diametrically opposed to Orthodoxy. Its become an enemy of Christs Church. They have doubled down against religious freedom and have waged war with the Church. There is no dissent in Catholicism on this point.
 
Although from my understanding, “non negotiables” is a term that came into the forefront through the works of this lay-run private internet business calling itself “Catholic Answers”, I do find it strange how this site counts 5 yet the Pope himself says he doesn’t count values on fingers and has never understood the expression 5 non negotiables. 🤷

catholicnewsagency.com/news/all-values-are-non-negotiable-pope-says-in-new-interview/
This is because the non-negotiables (as mentioned here) are based on the American political climate only. Other nations can and do have other non-negotiables. In some nations, the government is doing other horrific things.

So there is no universal list of 5 non-negotiables. Non-negotiables change from nation to nation based on the political climate.
 
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