Trump v GOP

[Expatreprocedit]

Just how many Orthodox Jews, Muslims, and Black Christians and immigrants are down with so-called gay “marriage”?

Some DNC groups oppose that in greater % than some republican groups do!

You just put your finger on the real tragedy for those of us who are pro-traditional family and pro-life. Most hispanics and members of the other groups you mentioned are not so much “down” with SSM, or abortion. They could have been a major constituency for a pro-family, pro-life party. But they’re not going to vote for a party whose candidates are going to, e.g., cut social services they depend on so that tax rates on billionaires can be lowered, flood their neighborhoods with more guns, and who promise to ship them back to their country of origin.

There are plenty of black, hispanic, asian, etc. men and women that go to church every week, and have Christian values that would love to vote conservative on social issues. But they’ll be voting for Hillary Clinton this fall.

 

[gracepoole]

To suggest that a country about to vote in Donald Trump is a racist country is very shocking to me. I’m an immigrant and I’ve never for once encountered any racism against me. Nothing but kindness. America is the one country that no matter who you are will welcome you and help you succeed. I agree trump voters are nationalists but they are not racists.

I don’t think this is the thread in which to have this conversation. But to suggest that there is no racism in the US is naive. There is no country that isn’t plagued by racism at some level.

 

[Thorolfr]

Alberto Gonzales, Clarence Thomas, many Democratic politicians have sought to block minority nominees.

There are a few token minorities and women holding office in the Republican Party:

The 114th Congress being sworn in on Tuesday is being hailed as the most diverse Congress in history with more women and minorities than ever before. But that’s not thanks to the new Republican majorities in the House and the Senate.

Although the new Congress is 80 percent white, an equal amount male, and 92 percent Christian, the majority of non-white and women lawmakers are Democrats. In other words, even though these paltry numbers make up the “most diverse” Congress in existence, it’s thanks largely to Democrats that it’s this way.

There are a total of 81 minorities that are Democrats in both houses combined and 16 that are Republicans, according to data from CQ. The 114th Congress also has 79 Democratic women and 29 Republican women, also according to CQ.

talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/breakdown-114th-congress-demographics-gender

 

[Darryl_Revok]

I don’t care how you define “white nationalists.” How do you prove that the country, particularly Trump supporters fit your label? How do you prove that Trump supporters want a country filled with only whites?

I never said that the country does. I never said that Trump’s supporters were. I merely said that his supporters are receptive to the common WN talking points, e.g. Trumps white supremacist retweets. The evidence bears me out.

It would be better if you argue with the points I actually make rather than taking what I say, trying to shape it to your own interpretation, and taking mock offense.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I never said that the country does. I never said that Trump’s supporters were. I merely said that his supporters are receptive to the common WN talking points, e.g. Trumps white supremacist retweets. The evidence bears me out.

It would be better if you argue with the points I actually make rather than taking what I say, trying to shape it to your own interpretation, and taking mock offense.

Can you be specific about the tweets? A tweet might have come from a certain person with a certain ideology but the tweet itself can be clean. What tweets have Trump done that are white supremacist? That’s a serious charge and you better back it up.

 

[Path_Finder]

You will find no shortage of articles that under the Obama administration, the white male is who feels he has been disenfranchised, there is nothing here per racism for Trump to say something like “I don’t know” and the day before, to disavow himself from any of these radical extremists.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

**“he wouldn’t have many supporters left if he did that.”

He wouldn’t have many supporters left if he disavowed white supremacists.**

Does no one else have an issue with this statement?

This is a catholic forum. The people consistently vilified on this forum have been trump supporters. They have now been called white supremacists.

In effect. It boggles the mind, TBH.

 

[Cider]

Trump is done. He may still get the GOP nomination, but he stands no chance now in the general, absent some huge world-changing event. His potential for a victory in November was in his “cross-over” appeal, getting a decent percentage of independent and Democratic voters. That isn’t going to happen now after his KKK disavowal disaster. He may have won a few more racist votes on the right fringe, but he lost a huge amount of potential votes in the political middle, including moderate GOP votes. The question may have been a set-up, but it was a softball, and he flubbed it. It may seem to blow over for a while during the next few months, but it will resurface again in the fall, big time. Plus, if he flubs something like this, what other stupid statement or non-statement will he make in the heat of an interview or a debate?

He isn’t done, because his supporters don’t care what he says. As I saw one of them say on camera, I grew up with his apprentice show, I love him. I mean shoot, the guy has joked about hecklers being beaten with clubs and his audience laughs, that’s how sick they are.

 

[ChristianDude]

I’m not board with either Trump or the GOP 100% as far as I’m concerned. I’m socially conservative, but on fiscal issues I tend to believe a mixture of things from either party, so politically in terms of common American terms I’m a social conservative but a fiscal “centrist”, I suppose.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Hobby Lobby Founder Endorses Rubio, Calls Trump a 'Bully’
foxbusiness.com/features/2016/02/29/hobby-lobby-founder-endorses-rubio-calls-trump-bully.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Hobby Lobby founder David Green, who just endorsed Marco Rubio for president, explained to the FOX Business Network’s Neil Cavuto why he is not going to vote for Donald Trump.

“I don’t want a loose cannon to take care of the problems we have,” Green said. “We’re all angry at where we’ve been. But, to do something because we think someone’s made a billion dollars—we’ve made billions of dollars, but that doesn’t make us have the ability to run this country… the last thing we need in this country

now is an individual that leads us by a scorched earth attitude and no matter what it takes to get ahead.”
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Green adamantly stated he does not want to see a bully in the White House.

This is so nice to see - what with Robert Jeffries and Pat Robinson and all I was getting a little concerned about my Evangelical buddies losing their way. Tony Perkins (in Cruz camp) says the Evangelicals who are supporting Trump are much more likely to be EINOS - Evangelicals in name only - not regular Church goers, cultural Evangelicals if you will, cafeteria Evangelicals…​

 

[queenofheartscv]

This is so nice to see - what with Robert Jeffries and Pat Robinson and all I was getting a little concerned about my Evangelical buddies losing their way. Tony Perkins (in Cruz camp) says the Evangelicals who are supporting Trump are much more likely to be EINOS - Evangelicals in name only - not regular Church goers, cultural Evangelicals if you will, cafeteria Evangelicals…

Let me paraphrase: Evangelicals who support trump are cafeteria evangelicals. Those who endorse trump have lost their way.

All I can do is shake my head.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Let me paraphrase: Evangelicals who support trump are cafeteria evangelicals. Those who endorse trump have lost their way.

All I can do is shake my head.

Well, if you are going to paraphrase, please do so accurately. The first half of that is Perkins’ point of view as he expressed it; the second is mine. Trump isn’t President yet - we still have a 1st Amendment.

 

[gracepoole]

Can you be specific about the tweets? A tweet might have come from a certain person with a certain ideology but the tweet itself can be clean. What tweets have Trump done that are white supremacist? That’s a serious charge and you better back it up.

Maybe this is what Darryl was referring to: nymag.com/following/2016/01/donald-trump-mostly-retweets-white-supremacists.html

 

[queenofheartscv]

Maybe this is what Darryl was referring to: nymag.com/following/2016/01/donald-trump-mostly-retweets-white-supremacists.html

The tweets themselves are not white supremacist. How is trump supposed to know where the tweets come from? The contents of the tweets are not white supremacist.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Well, if you are going to paraphrase, please do so accurately. The first half of that is Perkins’ point of view as he expressed it; the second is mine. Trump isn’t President yet - we still have a 1st Amendment.

All I said was I’m shaking my head.

 

[FollowChrist34]

All I said was I’m shaking my head.

How weird, that is what I am doing too. Perhaps that is what we are all doing.

 

[queenofheartscv]

How weird, that is what I am doing too. Perhaps that is what we are all doing.

good head exercise for all.

 

[gracepoole]

The tweets themselves are not white supremacist. How is trump supposed to know where the tweets come from? The contents of the tweets are not white supremacist.

Yeah, who could’ve guessed that a Twitter handle like @whitegenocideTM would be associated with white supremacists.

The man is running for POTUS. Perhaps he should be a bit more discerning…

 

[queenofheartscv]

Yeah, who could’ve guessed that a Twitter handle like @whitegenocideTM would be associated with white supremacists.

The man is running for POTUS. Perhaps he should be a bit more discerning…

Perhaps. But this is not a conventional election. Whatever he has done has worked so far.

And by the way, white genocide doesn’t spell white supremacist.

If you happen to have a neighbor who is a white supremacist, will you never talk to him? If he says something nice about you, will you blush and turn away? For Trump’s tweeting purpose, he can definitely tweet anything deemed interesting or smart; it shouldn’t matter where it comes from. It’s the content that matters.

 

[gracepoole]

Perhaps. But this is not a conventional election.

No argument here.

Whatever he has done has worked so far.

What works and what’s moral are not ipso facto the same thing.

And by the way, white genocide doesn’t spell white supremacist.

What does it “spell” to you?

If you happen to have a neighbor who is a white supremacist, will you never talk to him? If he says something nice about you, will you blush and turn away?

I do my best not to associate with avowed racists.

For Trump’s tweeting purpose, he can definitely tweet anything deemed interesting or smart; it shouldn’t matter where it comes from. It’s the content that matters.

So if bin Laden had praised Trump, it would be wise politically for Trump to retweet it?