Trump v GOP

[mary_bobo]

Trump would seek revenge by running as an independent and taking votes away from the GOP nominee.

Jim

Didn’t he say last night that he would not do that? But of course, he says a lot of things. I don’t believe most of them.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Perhaps. But Cruz didn’t do so well in Vermont or Mass. Rubio did better in the South than Cruz did. The states that were favorable to Cruz are leaving soon. I am not convinced Cruz can win Illinois or Ohio.

Here’s the thing too I also feel Cruz would make a bad President. He keeps on saying I will never compromise or Make Deals. Well guess what that is kind of what you have to do if your President. That’s one thing I give Trump credit for saying. Your not going to get everything you want.

The fact that Cruz keeps on screaming about never compromising has me concerned that he would make a terrible President. But then maybe the voters if they pick him need to learn the consquences of that.

As for Trump, I frankly think he would be horrible. The race baiting is eek.

Here’s the thing the establishment has no credibility with the American people. So they aren’t willing to listen to what is even good advise.

It would help if maybe the establishment looked at their policies and did some updating. They have been all about no and protesting and low on usefulness and ideas.

They have contributed to the anti establishment stuff by praying striking up partisanship and promising things they cannot deliver.

For example, Obama Care was not going without a super majority in Congress. So why are you telling folks it can go if you elect them? And if Obama Care is so evil, why are nominating it’s architect Romney?

(I have issues with a lot about Obama Care, but I do feel for the President when he says-Obama Care is based on Conservative ideas. Because it was. They were for it before they were against it and once a Democratic President took the idea… Well…The intellectual dishonesty.

Yet Clinton is very establishment and she obviously has credibility with many Americans or she would not be the Democratic front runner by far.

I am personally convinced that Cruz cannot win Ohio, and any Republican has to win Ohio in the general, at least. Cruz would not do that.

Romney did not say he is running for president. In fact, if I recall correctly, he said he’s not. I think he knows he’s not electable.

I don’t see the Democrats as any more intellectually dishonest than the Republicans. After all, Trump is the most popular Republican among the people right now and his lies are quite transparent. Romney laid out a few of them. Trump is causing the Republican Party to implode. Just because he’s anti-establishment does not mean he’s good and good for the country. Personally, I think he’d be poison for the US just as he’s poison for the Republican Party. He says anything that enters his mind, whether it’s good to say it or not.

 

[Lily_Bernans]

Didn’t he say last night that he would not do that? But of course, he says a lot of things. I don’t believe most of them.

He did say he would not do it, but I believe if pushed, he would. I think if he believes the Republicans will have a brokered convention to rid themselves of him, he would change to Independent, and garner a lot of votes. Plenty for Clinton to win.

I do have to say, bad as he is, he has a right to run. In good conscience, he shouldn’t, but he has a right to do so. The people voting for him should know better. I don’t blame them for wanting “someone different,” someone not intimately connected with Washington, but they should realize Trump isn’t that “someone” who will help them.

 

[mary_bobo]

Isn’t it funny how many people think this will become true if it is repeated often enough.

Perhaps those who think this need a civics lesson. A party can only do so much if the president is not like-minded. How many of those bashing the Republicans in the Congress have any knowledge of the bills that have gone to the president with amendments added by those members, that were vetoed by Obama? I am disappointed as anyone that the GOP has not been more successful, but it is not for lack of trying.

 

[estesbob]

A “debate” like tonight just refueled my reason, as to why I left the Republican party two years ago.

Go where? The really scary part is that with all his faults Trump is still far superior to anything the Democrat Party is offering.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Perhaps. But Cruz didn’t do so well in Vermont or Mass. Rubio did better in the South than Cruz did. The states that were favorable to Cruz are leaving soon. I am not convinced Cruz can win Illinois or Ohio.

Here’s the thing too I also feel Cruz would make a bad President. He keeps on saying I will never compromise or Make Deals. Well guess what that is kind of what you have to do if your President. That’s one thing I give Trump credit for saying. Your not going to get everything you want.

The fact that Cruz keeps on screaming about never compromising has me concerned that he would make a terrible President. But then maybe the voters if they pick him need to learn the consquences of that.

As for Trump, I frankly think he would be horrible. The race baiting is eek.

Here’s the thing the establishment has no credibility with the American people. So they aren’t willing to listen to what is even good advise.

It would help if maybe the establishment looked at their policies and did some updating. They have been all about no and protesting and low on usefulness and ideas.

They have contributed to the anti establishment stuff by praying striking up partisanship and promising things they cannot deliver.

For example, Obama Care was not going without a super majority in Congress. So why are you telling folks it can go if you elect them? And if Obama Care is so evil, why are nominating it’s architect Romney?

(I have issues with a lot about Obama Care, but I do feel for the President when he says-Obama Care is based on Conservative ideas. Because it was. They were for it before they were against it and once a Democratic President took the idea… Well…The intellectual dishonesty.

You wrong Obamacare could be gone via executive order, who cares what Romney has to with Obama copying the initial Mass plan? You would propose Obama doesn’t race bait? I don’t think you really want to go there thats all he’s done for 8-years. Not much of a point imho. What establishment, the Wall Street Democrats like Hillary which Warren and Sanders talk about? Frankly I think the abortion queen soon to be FBI indicted isn’t even worth my breath to discuss. As to Cruz, your not going to get everything you want? Ha, did anyone tell Obama that? Tell you what they ought to warm up to the idea because the fairy tale cruise is just about over.

Thanks, interesting persective. BTW do you know ANY politician who doesn’t lie? Point one out to me running from either party.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Last night was tough. Rubio was the biggest loser. Cruz came off very well to those with a taste for him. Kasich said, “I won’t bite” to the moderators when invited to bash trump, a nice moment for him. Trump held his own under fire from all sides including from the moderators. Some of the questions asked: senator rubio, tell mr trump why he would be unfit to be commander–in-chief. Megyn participated int he debate herself like candy Crowley saying the BBB rating for trump university was not A, prompting trump to tweet out the BBB A report in the wee hours of the morning.

There is no more substance in these debates. The only thing there is to kill trump. So if he survived last night, it’s a win for him. Rubio won’t have much longer to go.

Does anyone still have questions on where they stand on issues anymore?

 

[Lily_Bernans]

BTW do you know ANY politician who doesn’t lie? Point one out to me running from either party.

I don’t know of any, in either party, who doesn’t lie, but then I don’t know of any person, political or not, who doesn’t lie, to some degree, from time-to-time.

With the civil war going on in the Republican Party, I agree with Michael Smerconish of CNN - the winner in all of this is Hillary Clinton.

And I am a Sanders supporter. A realistic Sanders supporter who believes that Clinton will definitely be the Democratic nominee and the next president of the US.

 

[randomuser]

Go where? The really scary part is that with all his faults Trump is still far superior to anything the Democrat Party is offering.

One Planned Parenthood cheerleader is superior to another Planned Parenthood cheerleader? How so? Abortion is still a non-negotiable issue, and there’s nothing “far superior” about constantly praising the #1 provider of killing unborn babies.

 

[randomuser]

Ughhhhh,I agree!This isn’t a debate,shameful indeed!

In addition to acknowledging his praise of Planned Parenthood - how does that not disqualify Trump from the Catholic vote if abortion is not a non-negotiable issue? (is that no longer the case and I missed the memo?) - he opens up the debate with remarks about his hands and his personal anatomy. Somebody please tell me that this national embarrassment is really the filming of a new reality show (akin to what Joaquin Phoenix did a few years ago.)

 

[_Abyssinia]

In addition to acknowledging his praise of Planned Parenthood - how does that not disqualify Trump from the Catholic vote if abortion is not a non-negotiable issue? (is that no longer the case and I missed the memo?) - he opens up the debate with remarks about his hands and his personal anatomy. Somebody please tell me that this national embarrassment is really the filming of a new reality show (akin to what Joaquin Phoenix did a few years ago.)

Trump says Planned Parenthood does “wonderful work” aside from abortion. But he would defund Planned Parenthood. Hillary Clinton praises Planned Parenthood but wouldn’t defund Planned Parenthood. She also wants the Hyde Amendment to end. Despite questions and concerns pro-lifers with some of Trump’s comments, I doubt they think he would support an end the Hyde Amendment.

When Planned Parenthood commits so much killing, praising what they do in regards to their non-abortion services seems very uncomfortable, especially when it’s not as if they are the only provider of such services such as Pap smears in the U.S. There are many more Federally Qualified Health Center sites than Planned Parenthood clinics that can provide health care services for those on a low income. Pap smears, breast exams and prenatal services at Planned Parenthood have been declining year on year from 2008 or 2009 to 2015: liveactionnews.org/planned-parenthood-health-care-services-declined-in-2014-while-taxpayer-funding-increased/

Some of Trump’s comments at the debate were vulgar. :dts:

 

[mary_bobo]

Last night was tough. Rubio was the biggest loser. Cruz came off very well to those with a taste for him. Kasich said, “I won’t bite” to the moderators when invited to bash trump, a nice moment for him. Trump held his own under fire from all sides including from the moderators. Some of the questions asked: senator rubio, tell mr trump why he would be unfit to be commander–in-chief. Megyn participated int he debate herself like candy Crowley saying the BBB rating for trump university was not A, prompting trump to tweet out the BBB A report in the wee hours of the morning.

There is no more substance in these debates. The only thing there is to kill trump. So if he survived last night, it’s a win for him. Rubio won’t have much longer to go.

Does anyone still have questions on where they stand on issues anymore?

It’s hard to tell with Trump. He puts his finger to the wind each time he appears on TV. Presidential he ain’t.

 

[mary_bobo]

I don’t know of any, in either party, who doesn’t lie, but then I don’t know of any person, political or not, who doesn’t lie, to some degree, from time-to-time.

With the civil war going on in the Republican Party, I agree with Michael Smerconish of CNN - the winner in all of this is Hillary Clinton.

And I am a Sanders supporter. A realistic Sanders supporter who believes that Clinton will definitely be the Democratic nominee and the next president of the US.

I understand your stanch, but just how does Sanders plan to pay for all his “pie in the sky” promises. Hillary may very well get the nomination, but there are many, like me, who feel she is a very flawed candidate. And just look at the party platform!

 

[mary_bobo]

He did say he would not do it, but I believe if pushed, he would. I think if he believes the Republicans will have a brokered convention to rid themselves of him, he would change to Independent, and garner a lot of votes. Plenty for Clinton to win.

I do have to say, bad as he is, he has a right to run. In good conscience, he shouldn’t, but he has a right to do so. The people voting for him should know better. I don’t blame them for wanting “someone different,” someone not intimately connected with Washington, but they should realize Trump isn’t that “someone” who will help them.

Absolutely he has the right to run. I am just amazed at how many people have jumped on his bandwagon in spite of how crude, rude and classless he has shown himself to be, not to mention that he never really answers a direct question except with his diatribes how about how great he is, what wonderful things he is going to do, yada, yada, yada. Guess O’Reilly was right–people are voting with emotion not with common sense.

 

[estesbob]

One Planned Parenthood cheerleader is superior to another Planned Parenthood cheerleader? How so? Abortion is still a non-negotiable issue, and there’s nothing “far superior” about constantly praising the #1 provider of killing unborn babies.

I have serious problems with Donald trump and am not promoting his candidacy in any shape or form. if he is the nominee. Being pro-life, if he is, does not guarantee I will vote for someone. I will have to do some serious soul searching before casting my vote. Given the stated views of both the Democrat canidates I don’t see how they are an alternative for anyone who repsects life.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Mitt Romney committed political suicide yesterday. He formed the harshest “opinion” one could have of what he “thinks” about Trump. However, Trump alone is responsible for voter turnouts reaching record levels. It was foolishness at its best, in fact of all the candidates actually running none disagree they would vote for Trump, Mitt balked and created a divisive wall for the Rinos, Romney again failed to show any consideration for the positive inspiration Trump bought to the voter turn out and while the Democrats is severely lacking. Further what we can say positive about Mitt? Well at least he was right about Putin compared to the Democrats?

Hillary is not going to be running for president, she will be indicted in the next month. Further I think Bill is in the news today for obstructing voter turn out in the Burn mans campaign? The difference in the Democrats and Republicans is the Reps know they have issues and are not ignoring them but addressing them. Be it as it may it looks like a bar room brawl. The Democrats are in denial and are yet to even admit they have issues while they shake in fear as that abortion queen doesn’t wind up along with Obama as the next watergate scandal. They are walking on thin ice these days, and thats why voter turn out is tanking imho.

 

[estesbob]

In addition to acknowledging his praise of Planned Parenthood - how does that not disqualify Trump from the Catholic vote if abortion is not a non-negotiable issue? (is that no longer the case and I missed the memo?) - he opens up the debate with remarks about his hands and his personal anatomy. Somebody please tell me that this national embarrassment is really the filming of a new reality show (akin to what Joaquin Phoenix did a few years ago.)

One can vote for a pro-abortion candidate if their opponent is more pro-abortion than they are. As Archbishop Chaput put it this is not voting for the lesser of two evils, it is voting to lessen evil. Trump says he opposes abortion and will defund planned parenthood as long as they perform abortions. Hillary and Bernie think PP is one fo the great human rights organization of the face of the earth and should be funded at all costs. So do I vote for Trump or do I sit the election out and let one of these pro-abortion zealots take office? Its a tough decision.I suspect you would not vote for Trump and I respect that decision. I am not sure what I am going to do.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Absolutely he has the right to run. I am just amazed at how many people have jumped on his bandwagon in spite of how crude, rude and classless he has shown himself to be, not to mention that he never really answers a direct question except with his diatribes how about how great he is, what wonderful things he is going to do, yada, yada, yada. Guess O’Reilly was right–people are voting with emotion not with common sense.

We are not talking about electing the Director of Etiquette here. We’re talking about electing a person whose function is to lead and manage an enormous nation.

Nor, by any realistic measure are we hearing the real truth from anyone. Even Romney, in his speech, seriously misrepresented some facts, and he isn’t even running. Ted Cruz’ misrepresentations are almost without number. So are Rubio’s. I’ll hand it to Kasich. He has not told outright lies, but neither has he told the full truth. Granted, he has not been asked the really hard questions, but the reporters know the hard truths are not attractive to viewers, so they accept superficialities as if they had meaning.

The American people don’t want to hear the truth; absolutely don’t want to hear it, and we’ll reject anyone who tells it to us. So what do the politicians do? Trump says what he thinks (rightly, apparently) a very large number of people are thinking. Cruz is still wooing the constitutionalist/evangelical ideological purists. Rubio is trying to be “establishment” and “non-establishment” simultaneously. Kasich is trying to be factual without much result. Clinton appeals to the worst human instincts and makes them sound like virtues. Sanders is an ideological purist of another sort.

But when one of them takes the Oval Office, what do we have then? We have had “liars in chief” before; people who promised much, delivered little, then claimed the accomplished much. We have nevertheless had people there who actually got a few things done that were worthwhile, sometimes against the popular view, but not usually.

Which of the candidates will be able to manage the “biggest corporation” on earth, and how will they do it? Will they even attempt to manage it other than for their own profit? That’s really the question.

Hillary Clinton, we may be forgiven for believing, has demonstrated a depth of corruption unprecedented in modern history. She’s a war-monger and a war-starter. She has a very cruel streak in her. How, then, will she “manage the big company”? With those characteristics at the fore?

What has she built? Well, a parasitical machine; one whose business is influence-peddling. She does something that lands millions or billions in the lap of some company or country, and she and her husband gain thousands or millions. It would be ever so much cheaper to simply have the treasury write her a check for the smaller, net amount.

Of all the candidates, the only ones who have ever built anything for which people paid voluntarily, are Trump and Kasich. The only ones who have hired and fired for reasons of expertise and efficiency are Trump and Kasich. The only ones who have ever had to meet budgets are Trump and Kasich.

Etiquette, slick speeches, and political correctness aside, if expertise in anything other than politics is the desired characteristic, there are really only two choices. But nobody wants to think of it that way.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Mitt Romney committed political suicide yesterday.

I don’t think Romney was concerned about this own personal future. If he was, he would not have said what he did. The only reasonable explanation is that Romney said what he said because he honestly cares about the nation more than himself.

He formed the harshest “opinion” one could have of what he “thinks” about Trump.

You don’t have to put “opinion” and “thinks” in scare-quotes. Romney said what he thought. Period.

However, Trump alone is responsible for voter turnouts reaching record levels.

No, Trump is just tapping into a pre-existing dissatisfaction, just like the dissatisfaction in 1930’s Germany was utilized by Hitler. (I know - Godwin’s law - yada yada) Trump is just an astute opportunist to take advantage of this dissatisfaction.

It was foolishness at its best, in fact of all the candidates actually running none disagree they would vote for Trump…

That is just boilerplate Republicanism. It does not challenge the fact the all the candidates agree with Romney about stopping Trump.

Mitt balked and created a divisive wall for the Rinos…

The devisiveness was full-blown long before Romney said his piece. If anything it was a call to end devisiveness among the anti-Trump candidates. And if anyone deserves the title Rino, it is Trump himself.

Romney again failed to show any consideration for the positive inspiration Trump bought to the voter turn out…

I would not call his inspiration “positive”, except in terms of the numbers of deluded supporters.

 

[Peter_J]

Go where? The really scary part is that with all his faults Trump is still far superior to anything the Democrat Party is offering.

The thing about the Republican Party – and this is both good and bad – is that we’re now basically three parties in one. We’ve got

• traditional Republicans (or “establishment” republicans)
• Tea Party
• and anger Party (or Trump Party)

Not entirely surprisingly, one representative of each of those three groups are in the race (plus Kasich).