Trump v GOP

[Lily_Bernans]

Absolutely he has the right to run. I am just amazed at how many people have jumped on his bandwagon in spite of how crude, rude and classless he has shown himself to be, not to mention that he never really answers a direct question except with his diatribes how about how great he is, what wonderful things he is going to do, yada, yada, yada. Guess O’Reilly was right–people are voting with emotion not with common sense.

I, too, am surprised that so many have jumped on the Trump bandwagon.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I don’t think Romney was concerned about this own personal future. If he was, he would not have said what he did. The only reasonable explanation is that Romney said what he said because he honestly cares about the nation more than himself.

So does everyone else so what?

You don’t have to put “opinion” and “thinks” in scare-quotes. Romney said what he thought. Period.

I can if so chose but thanks for your opinion. And what he thought was “opinion” and the harshest uncalled for divisive nonsense possible and for no good reason. False “concern” and so called American pride. Imho it was conspiracy, coercion and acting in self interest.

No, Trump is just tapping into a pre-existing dissatisfaction, just like the dissatisfaction in 1930’s Germany was utilized by Hitler. (I know - Godwin’s law - yada yada) Trump is just an astute opportunist to take advantage of this dissatisfaction.

Your opinion, thanks, I have spoke in person to many educated people who support Trump.

That is just boilerplate Republicanism. It does not challenge the fact the all the candidates agree with Romney about stopping Trump.

All are acting in their own self interest but the bottom line is all said they would support Trump who are running, which changes not a thing stated.

The devisiveness was full-blown long before Romney said his piece. If anything it was a call to end devisiveness among the anti-Trump candidates. And if anyone deserves the title Rino, it is Trump himself.

Trumps not a rino but again thanks for all this opinion of yours its actually comical.

I would not call his inspiration “positive”, except in terms of the numbers of deluded supporters.

Whatever.

 

[SWolf]

I don’t think Romney was concerned about this own personal future. If he was, he would not have said what he did. The only reasonable explanation is that Romney said what he said because he honestly cares about the nation more than himself.

Laughable. When dealing with a politician, always assume self-interest and sociopathy.

He may want to be the runoff candidate in a brokered convention.
He may anticipate a presidential run down the road and sees Trump ruining his chances.
He may be so delusional as to think his opinion matters.

I would not call his inspiration “positive”, except in terms of the numbers of deluded supporters.

Keep insulting Trump supporters. It has worked so well so far in changing people’s minds.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Right the acting in Americas best interest is indeed comical when one considers Hillary and Obama. What a joke. And what should we say about the delusional who follow them? Thats the conversation you would like to have, really?

Trump inspired a massive turnout and interest even if they vote for another candidate. But for sure he is by large responsible. Its small minded and uncharitable to assume to judge all these people.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Laughable. When dealing with a politician, always assume self-interest and sociopathy.

I can understand self-interest, because that drives most people, so it makes sense. But since the comment was made that Romney committed political suicide by his remarks, it is hard to see them as self-interest. As for sociopathy, that is just too far out to bother commenting on!

He may want to be the runoff candidate in a brokered convention.

Then he would have made quite a different speech. This speech was not optimal for that goal.

He may anticipate a presidential run down the road and sees Trump ruining his chances.

How does Trump ruin Romney’s chances more than, say, Rubio? It just does not make sense.

He may be so delusional as to think his opinion matters.

His opinion certainly does matter. There would not be the news coverage and the discussion frenzy, and even the reference in last night’s debate if you or I had made the comment instead of Romney. His opinion clearly matters a lot to many people.

Keep insulting Trump supporters. It has worked so well so far in changing people’s minds.

You can call Romney delusional, and that is OK. But when I suggest Trump’s supporters have been deluded by Trump, that is a terrible insult?

 

[GaryTaylor]

I can understand self-interest, because that drives most people, so it makes sense.!

Very good and even those who put America before themselves act in their own self best interest in the final analysis. America is their self interest.

But since the comment was made that Romney committed political suicide by his remarks, it is hard to see them as self-interest.

Which is why I said it was indeed foolishness. You said he acted in Americas best interest which cannot be without being in your own best interest.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Very good and even those who put America before themselves act in their own self best interest in the final analysis. America is their self interest.

In that case, Romney’s actions are laudable. That kind of self-interest is to be encouraged.

Which is why I said it was indeed foolishness. You said he acted in Americas best interest which cannot be without being in your own best interest.

Why is acting in America’s best interest foolishness?

 

[GaryTaylor]

You can call Romney delusional, and that is OK. But when I suggest Trump’s supporters have been deluded by Trump, that is a terrible insult?

This is a meaningless path your continuing on which we have to admit Hillary and Obama and the delusional who follow them. So this should serve notice that you can expect to hear about Obama and Hillary whenever you want to discuss the delusional.

If anyone is acting “unselfishly” in Americas interest btw its Trump.

 

[Vouthon]

The only ones who have ever had to meet budgets are Trump and Kasich.

But a million light-years separates Trump from Kasich.

Kasich is the embodiment of rational GOP politics with a healthy dose of pragmatism and bipartisan diplomacy.

Trump is a far-right populist feeding off of raw emotion devoid of reason. You accuse Hillary of appealing to the basest instincts when Trump blatantly fuels the fires of bigotry, nativism, sexism and inward-looking isolationism. There is very little actually ‘conservative’ about his political style, it simply reminds one of the Front National in France, UKIP in the UK and other populist semi-fascist movements in Europe. None of these are ‘conservative’. That’s not the GOP one reads about in the history books. Could anything be further from Lincoln or even the “shining city on the hill”? Europeans are starting to pine for George W Bush we are so horrified by the spectre of Trump.

I cannot possibly imagine two more different men. You would never have a petition in the UK calling for Kasich to be banned, or the main German newspaper labelling him “the most dangerous man in the world”. Security analysts in the Asia-Pacific aren’t going to be spooked by Kasich.

In a sane, parallel universe Kasich would be the GOP nominee and would stand a very good chance of appealing to moderate, swing voters. Instead, the GOP seems to be coalescing behind the most xenophobic, controversial and (outside the U.S. at least) universally abhorred candidate ever nominated - hypothetically speaking - in the history of your Republic. If the GOP wants to commit suicide, threaten American interests and alliances abroad, debase the country in the eyes of the world and elect a person who is totally unqualified to hold elected office (and let’s face it, Trump’s father was the real businessman and entrepreneur), then go ahead. Implode. But the GOP and American electorate would be imposing Trump on the rest of the planet as well, which I think is callous.

As a result, there will be people worldwide praying (literally praying) that Clinton in spite of her well-publicized flaws will be elected President this coming November. You can bet your bottom dollar that in every major capital of a US ally from Seoul and Tokyo to London and Paris, there will be a collective sigh of relief if Hillary Rodham Clinton (in a hypothetical match with the Donald) were to thrash him. And I will be one of them.

 

[GaryTaylor]

In that case, Romney’s actions are laudable. That kind of self-interest is to be encouraged. Why is acting in America’s best interest foolishness?

I think as a jr therapist you can figure this out without help.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

If anyone is acting “unselfishly” in Americas interest btw its Trump.

On the contrary, there is every reason to see Trump’s run for the most powerful position on earth as selfish. With that kind of power, there nothing he couldn’t do for himself and his friends.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Didn’t he say last night that he would not do that? But of course, he says a lot of things. I don’t believe most of them.

He said he would support the GOP nominee, but that means if that nominee actually won the primaries.

Right now, he’s on the path to be that nominee.

However, if the GOP leaders ignore his wins and orchestrate a brokered convention where they choose another candidate, whomever that is, Trump will not view that person as the person who is the nominee, but that his nomination was taken from him and given to another.

He will then feel legit in not standing by his promise and running as an independent out of revenge.

In essence he’s telling the GOP, don’t even try to broker a convention.

Jim

 

[LeafByNiggle]

I think as a jr therapist you can figure this out without help.

No really, I have no idea why you think it is foolish to act in America’s best interests. I doubt anyone else understands this point of yours either.

 

[ringil]

I’m not sure why he made the speech but I’m thankful he did.
My concern it is that it is becoming evident that Trump will win even against Clinton.

There is no chance that Americans will vote Trump into the White House.

 

[Vouthon]

There is no chance that Americans will vote Trump into the White House.

I hope in the highest heaven that you are right, because the prospect of a Trump presidency is alarming people worldwide.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

There is no chance that Americans will vote Trump into the White House.

2015: “There is no chance Trump will win the nomination”
2016: “There is no chance Trump will win the Presidency”
2017: “No way will President Trump fire all those nukes”
2018: “No way we’re doing what those Apes say”

 

[petra22]

OH, no!!! Trump’s dad was a *Democrat??? *

OH NO, so was mine (and so was I until they hid all the Democratic conservatives…)

 

[GaryTaylor]

No really, I have no idea why you think it is foolish to act in America’s best interests. I doubt anyone else understands this point of yours either.

No really what, your not capable of figuring this out for yourself or your now speaking for everyone here as if they agree with your nonsense? Your back to comical.

On the contrary, there is every reason to see Trump’s run for the most powerful position on earth as selfish. With that kind of power.

As there is Romney

 

[qui_est_ce]

We are not talking about electing the Director of Etiquette here. We’re talking about electing a person whose function is to lead and manage an enormous nation.

Nor, by any realistic measure are we hearing the real truth from anyone. Even Romney, in his speech, seriously misrepresented some facts, and he isn’t even running. Ted Cruz’ misrepresentations are almost without number. So are Rubio’s. I’ll hand it to Kasich. He has not told outright lies, but neither has he told the full truth. Granted, he has not been asked the really hard questions, but the reporters know the hard truths are not attractive to viewers, so they accept superficialities as if they had meaning.

The American people don’t want to hear the truth; absolutely don’t want to hear it, and we’ll reject anyone who tells it to us. So what do the politicians do? Trump says what he thinks (rightly, apparently) a very large number of people are thinking. Cruz is still wooing the constitutionalist/evangelical ideological purists. Rubio is trying to be “establishment” and “non-establishment” simultaneously. Kasich is trying to be factual without much result. Clinton appeals to the worst human instincts and makes them sound like virtues. Sanders is an ideological purist of another sort.

But when one of them takes the Oval Office, what do we have then? We have had “liars in chief” before; people who promised much, delivered little, then claimed the accomplished much. We have nevertheless had people there who actually got a few things done that were worthwhile, sometimes against the popular view, but not usually.

Which of the candidates will be able to manage the “biggest corporation” on earth, and how will they do it? Will they even attempt to manage it other than for their own profit? That’s really the question.

Hillary Clinton, we may be forgiven for believing, has demonstrated a depth of corruption unprecedented in modern history. She’s a war-monger and a war-starter. She has a very cruel streak in her. How, then, will she “manage the big company”? With those characteristics at the fore?

What has she built? Well, a parasitical machine; one whose business is influence-peddling. She does something that lands millions or billions in the lap of some company or country, and she and her husband gain thousands or millions. It would be ever so much cheaper to simply have the treasury write her a check for the smaller, net amount.

Of all the candidates, the only ones who have ever built anything for which people paid voluntarily, are Trump and Kasich. The only ones who have hired and fired for reasons of expertise and efficiency are Trump and Kasich. The only ones who have ever had to meet budgets are Trump and Kasich.

Etiquette, slick speeches, and political correctness aside, if expertise in anything other than politics is the desired characteristic, there are really only two choices. But nobody wants to think of it that way.

Agree with much of what you wrote, except the bolded. I would add that integrity is another desired characteristic. One never knows what will cross the president’s desk, and we have to believe the president will make the right choice. Donald Trump cannot be trusted. He is an proud adulterer.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

No really what, your not capable of figuring this out for yourself or your now speaking for everyone hear as if they agree with your nonsense? Your back to comical.

OK, I’ll just say it. Acting is America’s best interest is not foolish. Your assertion otherwise is simply unsupportable, since you refuse to support it.

As there is Romney

Trump is the one running for President. How can that be seen as “unselfish”?