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A good speech … and a little more interesting – IMHO anyways – than some of the other news stories about which posters have started threads recently, e.g.
  • “Trump dominates with huge turnouts, wide base of support”
  • “Melania Trump: I don’t approve of Donald’s language”
  • “Jeff Sessions endorses Donald Trump in major blow to Ted Cruz”
  • “Donald Trump Wins Nevada Caucuses, Collecting Third Straight Victory”
  • “Influential Christian newspaper urges evangelicals to dump ‘misogynist’ Trump”
  • “Political science professor forecasts Trump as general election winner”
  • “Melania Trump: I followed the law as immigrant”
  • “Donald Trump: We’re going to ‘open up’ libel laws”
  • “Donald Trump muses about Marco Rubio’s eligibility to run for president”
  • “Donald Trump hires Mike Huckabee’s daughter as senior adviser”
  • “Donald Trump to Foreign Workers for Florida Club: You’re Hired”
Not that it’s a competition of starting interesting threads, :D, I’m just sharing my opinion … not to mention anticipating that some Trump supporters are going to say that Romney’s speech isn’t newsworthy or whatever. 😦
There is an old saying that may apply here: Don’t bother me with facts, my mind is made up.
 
The one point Trump made that impressed me is, his willingness to be flexible with people, and negotiate with others.

He was right in stating that the reason congress isn’t getting anything done, is because of the likes of Cruz and Rubio, who are so rigid, they can’t compromise with democrats on issues.

Its why we have gridlock and why it will continue through Hillary’s first two years as president.

Jim
I disagree, though stubborn representatives are a factor, it’s the President that must show leadership in driving negotiation and compromise.
Reagan did it and was productive
Bill Clinton did it and was productive

In contrast, Obama has been ideologically landlocked and thus positions have hardened into cement. I’m worried Cruz will just be the polar opposite of Obama, another divider instead of a unifyer. Though I don’t like/respect Hillary, I think she will be far more flexible than Obama, as would Trump or Kasich. Rubio will just do what he’s told to do.
 
The one point Trump made that impressed me is, his willingness to be flexible with people, and negotiate with others.

He was right in stating that the reason congress isn’t getting anything done, is because of the likes of Cruz and Rubio, who are so rigid, they can’t compromise with democrats on issues.

Its why we have gridlock and why it will continue through Hillary’s first two years as president.

Jim
It works both ways. When has Obama ever compromised with the Republicans, or asked for their (name removed by moderator)ut on anything? After all his opinion is “I won”.
 
Hey Leaf I think you should check out your own grammar btw, since you want to play English major and jr therapist and wear multiple hats apparently.

So what was your point, mine is Romney and his “opinion” was “foolishness”. 🤷
As we say in the South “tacky, tacky”.
 
It works both ways. When has Obama ever compromised with the Republicans, or asked for their (name removed by moderator)ut on anything? After all his opinion is “I won”.
Agreed. And the Repubs in Congress were so afraid of Obama and the liberal media that they acquiesced time and time again with his agenda, offering only useless tokens and symbols in “response”. It took more than one ingredient to get us to the really awful election we’re now facing.
 
There is no chance that Americans will vote Trump into the White House.
Well, some of us are optimistic and some of us are Catholic and some of us don’t support mega-abortion candidates against Catholic Doctrine like Obama and Clinton.
 
I wish the establishment would work as hard attacking the socialist democrats in the county as they do destroying our own side.
 
So if Trump finds Romney’s remarks irrelevant because he lost the election, can we be assured that he will stop talking once he loses the election?
 
So, an establishment figure condemns and rails against a candidate running as anti-establishment?

How does this do anything other than help Trump? It kind of boosts his street cred as a threat to the establishment order, which is much of his appeal to his supporters. Similar to Bernie on the democrat side.

Kind of reminds me of the Pope making anti-Trump comments prior to elections in the south, where many view the Church as anywhere from being seriously misguided to being the ‘Whore of Babylon’. It helped vice hurt him.
 
So, an establishment figure condemns and rails against a candidate running as anti-establishment?

How does this do anything other than help Trump? It kind of boosts his street cred as a threat to the establishment order, which is much of his appeal to his supporters. Similar to Bernie on the democrat side.

Kind of reminds me of the Pope making anti-Trump comments prior to elections in the south, where many view the Church as anywhere from being seriously misguided to being the ‘Whore of Babylon’. It helped vice hurt him.
He was not speaking to Trump supporters, and the Pope was not speaking to Trump.

Romney was speaking to those 65% of the Republicans who are NOT behind Trump.

The Pope made general statements. He never said Trump is not a Christian, and he even told the press that since he did not all the details of Trump’s views, he was giving him the benefit of the doubt. The fact that so many refuse to read what the Pope actually said (including Trump btw) is not something the Pope can control.
 
I wish the establishment would work as hard attacking the socialist democrats in the county as they do destroying our own side.
I agree! Well said. The success that Donald Trump is currently experiencing is due to the failure of the Establishment Republicans to address the core issues facing our country and the Republican Party. The Establishment Republicans have failed the working class Republicans.
 
I agree! Well said. The success that Donald Trump is currently experiencing is due to the failure of the Establishment Republicans to address the core issues facing our country and the Republican Party. The Establishment Republicans have failed the working class Republicans.
And every other class Republican except themselves.
 
I think the GOP needs a person like Trump to go against Hillary Clinton, who is notorious for running the most deceitful dirty campaigns.

Trump will be her match, no two ways about it.

Romney, the nice guy, would be eaten alive by Hillary and the corrupt DNC.

Jim
:bigyikes::bigyikes:

That is really sad but true. Even sadder, Hillary will win. Or Trump will win.

If either of them win, maybe the presidency will lose some of the power it has usurped from Congress?
 
But a million light-years separates Trump from Kasich.

Kasich is the embodiment of rational GOP politics with a healthy dose of pragmatism and bipartisan diplomacy.

Trump is a far-right populist feeding off of raw emotion devoid of reason. You accuse Hillary of appealing to the basest instincts when Trump blatantly fuels the fires of bigotry, nativism, sexism and inward-looking isolationism. There is very little actually ‘conservative’ about his political style, it simply reminds one of the Front National in France, UKIP in the UK and other populist semi-fascist movements in Europe. None of these are ‘conservative’. That’s not the GOP one reads about in the history books. Could anything be further from Lincoln or even the “shining city on the hill”? Europeans are starting to pine for George W Bush we are so horrified by the spectre of Trump.

I cannot possibly imagine two more different men. You would never have a petition in the UK calling for Kasich to be banned, or the main German newspaper labelling him “the most dangerous man in the world”. Security analysts in the Asia-Pacific aren’t going to be spooked by Kasich.

In a sane, parallel universe Kasich would be the GOP nominee and would stand a very good chance of appealing to moderate, swing voters. Instead, the GOP seems to be coalescing behind the most xenophobic, controversial and (outside the U.S. at least) universally abhorred candidate ever nominated - hypothetically speaking - in the history of your Republic. If the GOP wants to commit suicide, threaten American interests and alliances abroad, debase the country in the eyes of the world and elect a person who is totally unqualified to hold elected office (and let’s face it, Trump’s father was the real businessman and entrepreneur), then go ahead. Implode. But the GOP and American electorate would be imposing Trump on the rest of the planet as well, which I think is callous.

As a result, there will be people worldwide praying (literally praying) that Clinton in spite of her well-publicized flaws will be elected President this coming November. You can bet your bottom dollar that in every major capital of a US ally from Seoul and Tokyo to London and Paris, there will be a collective sigh of relief if Hillary Rodham Clinton (in a hypothetical match with the Donald) were to thrash him. And I will be one of them.
Kasich’s policy of arming Ukraine is irrational and could lead to WWIII.
 
So if Trump finds Romney’s remarks irrelevant because he lost the election, can we be assured that he will stop talking once he loses the election?
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I’m just glad to see that I’m not the only one on this forum who was interested in what Romney had to say. (I’m a new comer here – mostly I’ve been on the EC and NCR forums.) Based on the existing threads on this forum I was afraid I wouldn’t get any replies. :cool:
 
We are not talking about electing the Director of Etiquette here. We’re talking about electing a person whose function is to lead and manage an enormous nation.

Nor, by any realistic measure are we hearing the real truth from anyone. Even Romney, in his speech, seriously misrepresented some facts, and he isn’t even running. Ted Cruz’ misrepresentations are almost without number. So are Rubio’s. I’ll hand it to Kasich. He has not told outright lies, but neither has he told the full truth. Granted, he has not been asked the really hard questions, but the reporters know the hard truths are not attractive to viewers, so they accept superficialities as if they had meaning.

The American people don’t want to hear the truth; absolutely don’t want to hear it, and we’ll reject anyone who tells it to us. So what do the politicians do? Trump says what he thinks (rightly, apparently) a very large number of people are thinking. Cruz is still wooing the constitutionalist/evangelical ideological purists. Rubio is trying to be “establishment” and “non-establishment” simultaneously. Kasich is trying to be factual without much result. Clinton appeals to the worst human instincts and makes them sound like virtues. Sanders is an ideological purist of another sort.

But when one of them takes the Oval Office, what do we have then? We have had “liars in chief” before; people who promised much, delivered little, then claimed the accomplished much. We have nevertheless had people there who actually got a few things done that were worthwhile, sometimes against the popular view, but not usually.

Which of the candidates will be able to manage the “biggest corporation” on earth, and how will they do it? Will they even attempt to manage it other than for their own profit? That’s really the question.

Hillary Clinton, we may be forgiven for believing, has demonstrated a depth of corruption unprecedented in modern history. She’s a war-monger and a war-starter. She has a very cruel streak in her. How, then, will she “manage the big company”? With those characteristics at the fore?

What has she built? Well, a parasitical machine; one whose business is influence-peddling. She does something that lands millions or billions in the lap of some company or country, and she and her husband gain thousands or millions. It would be ever so much cheaper to simply have the treasury write her a check for the smaller, net amount.

Of all the candidates, the only ones who have ever built anything for which people paid voluntarily, are Trump and Kasich. The only ones who have hired and fired for reasons of expertise and efficiency are Trump and Kasich. The only ones who have ever had to meet budgets are Trump and Kasich.

Etiquette, slick speeches, and political correctness aside, if expertise in anything other than politics is the desired characteristic, there are really only two choices. But nobody wants to think of it that way.
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