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irishpatrick
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Romney was and is a great conservative, and if 3-5,000,000 had not refused to vote in 2012, he would have won.
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Luigi_Daniele
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He would have won. He was about 85% conservative, though, IMO.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Yup.
Maybe he can try the HRC thing, and say that it wasn’t him who said it, but an obscure internet video.
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irishpatrick
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I agree, and 1000% more conservative than Obama.
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Ridgerunner
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Of course Trump has a mean streak. I never said he didn’t. So does Cruz. Rubio tries to have one, but doesn’t seem very able to carry it off.Unlike Hillary, Trump, of course, doesn’t have a mean streak at all and he doesn’t have a single corrupt bone in his body.
And maybe Trump is corrupt, but there’s no clarity on that. Litigation, in and of itself, proves nothing. Remember how Saint Romney was accused by the Democrats of cheating on his taxes, among other things?
But one thing is for sure, Trump hasn’t started any wars and hasn’t handed any countries over to Islamic terrorists. Clinton has. Trump didn’t laugh on camera at someone’s being tortured to death like Hillary did.
We might not know all the ways Trump might be a mean man, but we sure know enough about Hillary to know what she’s like. Liberals should, if they believe their own slogans, be running from her. But they’re not. I guess they can put up with cruelty and war-mongering as well as corruption as long as abortion is protected.
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Ridgerunner
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Glen Beck might not be deranged, but can give an awfully good imitation of it.
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phil19034
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I voted “not sure” because I’m honestly not sure what will happen.
The truth is Trump is getting people to register Republican, but many of them may not actually be Republican.
One of the issues for BOTH the Republicans and Democrats is the rise of Libertarians.
Libertarians tend to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. That doesn’t mean that they are all pro-choice, some are still very pro-life. But they are still not truly socially conservative.
Libertarians tend to vote and register with whichever party is addressing the issues that the particular Libertarian cares more about.
Libertarians are throwing both parties into disarray. The power in Hollywood for example, has historically tended to be Libertarian. Sometimes they vote Republican sometimes they vote Democrat, depending on the issues which are more concerning to them at the time. This is why you will often hear people in Hollywood push for gay marriage, abortion, etc.; but you don’t often hear them asking for an increase in taxes.
Libertarians are pushing the Democrats towards further immoral stances on issues like abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, etc. While Libertarians are also pushing the Republican party towards Trump like ideas.
The difference between the two parties at this moment is that Republican establishment is doing what they can to resist the Libertarian agenda, while the Democrats are currently embracing at least the social aspect of it.
The truth is Trump is getting people to register Republican, but many of them may not actually be Republican.
One of the issues for BOTH the Republicans and Democrats is the rise of Libertarians.
Libertarians tend to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. That doesn’t mean that they are all pro-choice, some are still very pro-life. But they are still not truly socially conservative.
Libertarians tend to vote and register with whichever party is addressing the issues that the particular Libertarian cares more about.
Libertarians are throwing both parties into disarray. The power in Hollywood for example, has historically tended to be Libertarian. Sometimes they vote Republican sometimes they vote Democrat, depending on the issues which are more concerning to them at the time. This is why you will often hear people in Hollywood push for gay marriage, abortion, etc.; but you don’t often hear them asking for an increase in taxes.
Libertarians are pushing the Democrats towards further immoral stances on issues like abortion, euthanasia, gay marriage, etc. While Libertarians are also pushing the Republican party towards Trump like ideas.
The difference between the two parties at this moment is that Republican establishment is doing what they can to resist the Libertarian agenda, while the Democrats are currently embracing at least the social aspect of it.
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dshix
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The words “if ___, he would have” are useless in the political context. Romney failed to get those 3-5M people to vote, therefore he failed, period.
Saying that “if 3-5,000,000 had not refused to vote in 2012, he would have won” is just as useful as saying “if God had opened the skies and commanded all Americans to vote for Romney, he would have won”.
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irishpatrick
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Millions did not vote for Romney because he is a Mormon.
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Thorolfr
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What wars did Hillary start (I didn’t even know that she’s ever had that power) and what countries did she hand over to Islamic terrorists? Unless I know what you’re talking about, I can’t even address it.
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JW55
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Is this an opinion or is this based on polls, statistics. etc?
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irishpatrick
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I deleted my post because I see no reason to reopen Romney’s candidacy.
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JimR-OCDS
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Hillary voted for Bush’s war in Iraq, out of political expediency.
When it started going bad and losing popular support, she said she made a mistake and then went against the war. Again, out of political expediency.
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Thorolfr
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So this means that Hillary started this war? Of course, George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, etc. didn’t have anything at all to do with that war.
Yes, she voted for the Iraq war along with 76 other senators (48 of whom were Republicans). But how do you know that she changed her position only out of expediency? She probably realized what a bad idea it was (and it was a bad idea), not to mention that Congress was misled by the Bush administration about the dangers posed by Iraq.
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JimR-OCDS
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Hillary did not start the war, but was part of it in giving Bush the authority to use military force against Saddam.So this means that Hillary started this war? Of course, George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, etc. didn’t have anything at all to do with that war.
Yes, she voted for the Iraq war along with 76 other senators (48 of whom were Republicans). But how do you know that she changed her position only out of expediency? She probably realized what a bad idea it was (and it was a bad idea), not to mention that Congress was misled by the Bush administration about the dangers posed by Iraq.
There were only a minority of members of Congress to vote against it, Kennedy, Sanders, and Kucinich. Can’t remember the others.
They knew what war would do and saw the fallacy of following the NeoCon’s on this issue.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Don’t forget Libya
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gracepoole
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Why aren’t you voting for Sanders in that case?
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Thorolfr
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We should all vote for Sanders, then (he’s probably one of the more honest of the bunch running).
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Abynissa
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Watching the Debate With Lots of Drunk Republicans Is Fun
Everybody’s drunk, and Sean Hannity is absolutely loving it.
“You guys have really been hitting the sauce, haven’t you?” the conservative pundit asks, looking down from the lip of the spotlit stage to the rowdy crowd of mainly millennials below. They’re all attendees at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, and right now, they are freshly buzzed after hitting the happy hour upstairs. In an hour and a half, hundreds of them will take their seats to watch a live broadcast of the Republican Debate on two giant screens in the vast convention center ballroom.
“Can I get you another beer?” he asks one rabble rouser. “Would you like a Fireball shot?”
But it’s not just the crowd Hannity’s roasting. He saves some of his snark for Mitt Romney, too, who, just that morning denounced Republican frontrunner Donald Trump as a “con man, a fake.”
Most disgraceful debate. I remember a time when audience listened silently as the candidates seriously discussed issues instead of third grade antics of name calling, bullying like third graders on a playfield. Can you imagine how this is playing to the rest of the world discussing Trumps penis size makes the headlines.
Everybody’s drunk, and Sean Hannity is absolutely loving it.
“You guys have really been hitting the sauce, haven’t you?” the conservative pundit asks, looking down from the lip of the spotlit stage to the rowdy crowd of mainly millennials below. They’re all attendees at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference, and right now, they are freshly buzzed after hitting the happy hour upstairs. In an hour and a half, hundreds of them will take their seats to watch a live broadcast of the Republican Debate on two giant screens in the vast convention center ballroom.
“Can I get you another beer?” he asks one rabble rouser. “Would you like a Fireball shot?”
But it’s not just the crowd Hannity’s roasting. He saves some of his snark for Mitt Romney, too, who, just that morning denounced Republican frontrunner Donald Trump as a “con man, a fake.”
Most disgraceful debate. I remember a time when audience listened silently as the candidates seriously discussed issues instead of third grade antics of name calling, bullying like third graders on a playfield. Can you imagine how this is playing to the rest of the world discussing Trumps penis size makes the headlines.
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didymus
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You’re blaming libertarians for ruining both parties? That’s like blaming the Jews for the fall of the Weimar republic. Real libertarians are pretty much a voice crying in the wilderness.
You are right, none of them are “socially conservative” or I should say they don’'t think the gov’t should enforce social values liberal or conservative. Libertarians are against censorship, speech codes at colleges, against the War on Drugs, the follies of the TSA and surrendering our rights in the name of security.
They are in favor of smaller gov’t, home schooling, “free range kids”, the free market and a drastically reduced welfare state.
There are no Democrats and almost no Republicans who actually want to shrink the size of gov’t. Neither party wants a free market, both are into crony capitalism – sometimes they serve different cronies (unionized civil service vs. private contractors) but often enough they agree.
Go to reason.com or follow it on FB. I’m not a libertarian but I think they have a lot of good points to make.
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