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Originally Posted by irishpatrick
How many people do you know that you would consider good friends, but you also think they would not make good Presidents? You might gladly accept their support, while not wanting to give them your support, and in fact, if you thought strongly that they would be a terrible President, you might feel a need to speak out.
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The comment, Sir Mitt Romney, is beneath you. The truth is, Trump has lowered the discourse during this campaign and the overall discourse in this country over the years has sunk into the mud. That is why, when someone like Romney speaks like a mature adult, it no longer sounds right to many people–they have forgotten what its like to hear a calm and rational approach. And, before you bring up Rubio, I would agree that what he has done lately is wrong, and I am already considering retracting my support of him. I don’t think the way Trump has insulted so many people is right, nor do I think Rubio’s childish insults are right and he did not do himself any good. That behavior, from both men, is not fit for the Oval Office, imo.
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Ask yourself a question–would the Lord have us disagree in a calm and rational manner, or would He have us slamming each other with insults and debased comments?
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I think I’ve got to throw my support behind Sen. Cruz. I’m hoping that Sen. Rubio will drop out of the race within the next couple weeks.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I really don’t know what happened. It could be the ear piece. It could be him being opportunistic. It could be he was having a senior moment as another has mentioned. It could be he was asked the question so many times already he wanted to sound different this time. I dont know. But I do know he had disavowed the group multiple times prior. So the media is trying to milk it way too much.
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The worrisome thing is making those words into a campaign ad for the Democratic side, Clinton, Bernie or whomever as suggested in one article. We will see, it certainly was unfortunate all around.

The words were muddled, I don’t think condemning in themselves but sort of confusing.
 
rickdoh1946 said:
GaryTaylor;13722046:
I think we have to admit they all revise their stance. Trump as I suggest is a bit more illusive and indecisive. They all learn on the job.

As I said I don’t find this uncommon with very educated people.

You actually said that you found this common with very educated people.
The statement was that Trump approves of murdering families of terrorists. I would have to say that very educated people should know that murder is wrong. Even in war it is not the norm to kill a family because you think a member is a terrorist.
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Murder being wrong is a fact. Killing only the enemy not the innocent has always been an issue. In fact its a strategic ploy the low down dirty barbarians use to exploit the innocent. Its no secret very good and educated people get a little quick to say oh well, carpet bomb them and so forth.
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Right now, off center news sources I don’t put much stock in. Still, it is interesting sometimes and they are probably right ever so often.
MUST SEE=> Did Mitt Romney Just File Papers to Run for President?
thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/is-this-real-did-mitt-romney-just-file-papers-to-run-for-president/
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(don’t read the comments)

Highly unlikely though they might do something like this in case of an emergency meaning Mitt have his papers ready just in case.

Mitt wouldn’t do well I don’t think at all, at all. Sort of similar to Jeb but maybe a little better. Romney is competent, now is not his time though.
 
Vouthon said:
Sanders is one of the few candidates in the U.S. race for the White House who could realistically be elected in Europe. His brother Larry Sanders actually lives in the UK and is a politician in the Green Party over here.

Kasich and Clinton could be elected over here as well. None of the others could.

The problem with Sanders, for me, is his approach to gun control. It’s very un-European. The police do not even carry firearms in the UK (with the exception of Northern Ireland). Also, the fact that he calls himself a socialist when his policies are actually social democrat is a bit strange but I suppose fits in with the inaccurate American usage of terms like “liberal”, “conservative” and “socialist”.

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Yes, Sanders is the most likely one to be be elected here, too. But then, Americans would consider this a “socialist” country - a term we never use or even think of to describe our politics.
Americans resident in New Zealand voted overwhelmingly for Sanders. I guess they’ve got used to our “socialism”. They wouldn’t have come here of course if they weren’t leftish-leaning.
And our police aren’t routinely armed, either. (Let alone the rest of us!. No bears, moose, etc roaming loose to make this necessary)
Hillary would of course stand a reasonable chance of election here too - she’s regarded more highly outside of the US than you might think. It does matter how the rest of the world views your leader - which is why you shouldn’t risk letting the US being made a laughing stock (among other things) by electing Trump. Well - it WAS funny, but now is alarming and beyond belief.
 
gracepoole said:
Again, listen to it and explain why one should assume he was being hyperbolic.

Or should we now assume that anything and everything he says is hyperbolic? That would actually explain just about everything that comes out of his mouth, including his references to his own genius.
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Comments such as that are passionate and directional.

When he says he’s gonna build a wall, it’s directional but more complex
  • we already have a physical barrier that will be enhanced where appropriate
  • we will add ICE enforcement agents
  • we will use appropriate technology as part of ‘the wall’
  • we will enforce employment law
  • we will screen legal immigrants more effectively
 
ATeNumquam said:
Yes, Sanders is the most likely one to be be elected here, too. But then, Americans would consider this a “socialist” country - a term we never use or even think of to describe our politics.
Americans resident in New Zealand voted overwhelmingly for Sanders. I guess they’ve got used to our “socialism”. They wouldn’t have come here of course if they weren’t leftish-leaning.
And our police aren’t routinely armed, either. (Let alone the rest of us!. No bears, moose, etc roaming loose to make this necessary)
Hillary would of course stand a reasonable chance of election here too - she’s regarded more highly outside of the US than you might think. It does matter how the rest of the world views your leader - which is why you shouldn’t risk letting the US being made a laughing stock (among other things) by electing Trump. Well - it WAS funny, but now is alarming and beyond belief.
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Well said.
 
Path_Finder said:
Right now, off center news sources I don’t put much stock in. Still, it is interesting sometimes and they are probably right ever so often.
(don’t read the comments)

Highly unlikely though they might do something like this in case of an emergency meaning Mitt have his papers ready just in case.

Mitt wouldn’t do well I don’t think at all, at all. Sort of similar to Jeb but maybe a little better. Romney is competent, now is not his time though.
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Mitt Romney says he will not run for president in 2016, but he then goes ahead and files papers to run? Are any of these American politicians truthful?
nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/04/mitt-romney-shuts-door-on-vying-for-2016-g-o-p-nomination/
 
Theo520 said:
Comments such as that are passionate and directional.

When he says he’s gonna build a wall, it’s directional but more complex
  • we already have a physical barrier that will be enhanced where appropriate
  • we will add ICE enforcement agents
  • we will use appropriate technology as part of ‘the wall’
  • we will enforce employment law
  • we will screen legal immigrants more effectively
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Who’s talking about his fantastical wall?
 
ATeNumquam said:
Yes, Sanders is the most likely one to be be elected here, too. But then, Americans would consider this a “socialist” country - a term we never use or even think of to describe our politics.
Americans resident in New Zealand voted overwhelmingly for Sanders. I guess they’ve got used to our “socialism”. They wouldn’t have come here of course if they weren’t leftish-leaning.
And our police aren’t routinely armed, either. (Let alone the rest of us!. No bears, moose, etc roaming loose to make this necessary)
Hillary would of course stand a reasonable chance of election here too - she’s regarded more highly outside of the US than you might think. It does matter how the rest of the world views your leader - which is why you shouldn’t risk letting the US being made a laughing stock (among other things) by electing Trump. Well - it WAS funny, but now is alarming and beyond belief.
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Sanders and Clinton are highly thought of where I lived, too, France and Switzerland.
 
Tomdstone said:
I don’t know how Glen Beck can get away with threatening Trump’s life.
dailycaller.com/2016/03/04/glenn-beck-if-i-got-close-enough-to-trump-the-stabbing-just-wouldnt-stop-audio/
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Nothing will happen to beck. However, people might start to wonder the kind of company Ted cruz keeps in beck.

Beck also lied to his audience about a Don Quixote book he had claiming it belonged to George Washington. He later had to retract.

He’s not a person Ted Cruz should want to associate with.

christianresearchnetwork.org/2016/02/29/glenn-beck-admits-he-misled-cruz-audiences-about-george-washingtons-don-quixote/
 
Path_Finder said:
Right now, off center news sources I don’t put much stock in. Still, it is interesting sometimes and they are probably right ever so often.
(don’t read the comments)

Highly unlikely though they might do something like this in case of an emergency meaning Mitt have his papers ready just in case.

Mitt wouldn’t do well I don’t think at all, at all. Sort of similar to Jeb but maybe a little better. Romney is competent, now is not his time though.
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This scenario makes sense given the below conditions
  • Trump wins the Primary
  • Hillary is indicted
Given those conditions, the GOP establishment might think Mitt’s the ‘great white hope’ for our country.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I no longer believe he is a gentleman.
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No problem, and thank you for expressing yourself.

I’m still more interested in what Mitt Romney has to say than “Melania Trump: I don’t approve of Donald’s language” or “Melania Trump: I followed the law as immigrant”.
 
Peter_J said:
No problem, and thank you for expressing yourself.

I’m still more interested in what Mitt Romney has to say than “Melania Trump: I don’t approve of Donald’s language” or “Melania Trump: I followed the law as immigrant”.
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Fine. Why would you even need to say that? You can be interested in whatever and post on whatever.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Why would you even need to say that?
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I **didn’t **“need” to say it.

I had said this earlier,
Peter_J said:
A good speech … and a little more interesting – IMHO anyways – than some of the other news stories about which posters have started threads recently, e.g.
  • “Trump dominates with huge turnouts, wide base of support”
  • “Melania Trump: I don’t approve of Donald’s language”
  • “Jeff Sessions endorses Donald Trump in major blow to Ted Cruz”
  • “Donald Trump Wins Nevada Caucuses, Collecting Third Straight Victory”
  • “Influential Christian newspaper urges evangelicals to dump ‘misogynist’ Trump”
  • “Political science professor forecasts Trump as general election winner”
  • “Melania Trump: I followed the law as immigrant”
  • “Donald Trump: We’re going to ‘open up’ libel laws”
  • “Donald Trump muses about Marco Rubio’s eligibility to run for president”
  • “Donald Trump hires Mike Huckabee’s daughter as senior adviser”
  • “Donald Trump to Foreign Workers for Florida Club: You’re Hired”
Not that it’s a competition of starting interesting threads, :D, I’m just sharing my opinion … not to mention anticipating that some Trump supporters are going to say that Romney’s speech isn’t newsworthy or whatever. 😦
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then a little while ago Cider said,
Cider said:
No offense to the OP but yawn I’m bored with Romney. His 15 minutes are up.
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It would have seemed rather silly to me to re-mention every one of those 11 threads, so I just referred to the ones about Melania Trump.

Btw I checked just now: one Melania Trump thread was started 4 days ago, and the other was started 9 days ago. IMHO *her *15 minutes are up. (I qualified it with “IMHO” because I’m not Cider :).)
 
If Trump is the nominee and he wants the hope of a strong turnout of Republicans in a General Election, it seems he couldn’t have a moderate type or somebody with no experience in politics as his VP. He would need to pick a tried and tested conservative. Somebody who could aswage the fears among conservatives of a Trump presidency. Dana Perino has said that the Republican nominee needs to outperform the Republican turnout that Mitt Romney got, that getting some Independents and Democrats over is not enough. Can Trump do that when there are is a #notrump movement now?

It’s interesting that Hillary Clinton is making her first appearance on Fox News in years on Monday in town hall with Bernie Sanders in Detroit. Jason Riley on Special Report with Bret Baeir speculates that maybe Clinton sees an opening maybe with some Fox viewers.

Perhaps she’s seeing the dissastastifacton with Trump among conservative and sees an opening. I doubt many opposed to Trump would vote for her but it is curious.
 
Hillary Clinton is making her first appearance on Fox News in years on Monday in town hall with Bernie Sanders in Detroit. Jason Riley on Special Report with Bret Baeir
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🙂 They’ll need a cleansing ceremony with sage and a blessing after she leaves. Is she riding her broom to the event? 😃
 
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