Trump v GOP

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queenofheartscv said:
When you judge a candidate you don’t separate him into compartments.
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I don’t understand

Cruz
strong pro-life stance
Strong 2nd amendment
Strong on immigration (maybe not as compassionate as I would like)
Strong on marriage
Appoint strong conservative judges
Will try hard to do what he says

Rubio
Strong on life
Strong on 2nd amendment
Immigration-not sure. (Maybe more compassionate than Cruz or Trump)
Appoint strong conservative judges
More likely to negotiate than Cruz, but not on life

Trump
Will try to get a wall built and try to get Mexico to pay for it
Wi try to get better trade deals
Weak on life issues
Will negotiate for deals and since life issues is not a strong belief will negotiate with them
Doubt he’d nominate strong principled conservatives to court.

I do put them in compartments.
 
10gr8kids said:
That’s my plan as of now.
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So you’d rahter let Hillary win than give trump a try. So much for caring about abortion. When it comes down to it, I’d venture to say you are against trump not because of his life stances but something else.
 
queenofheartscv said:
So you’d rahter let Hillary win than give trump a try. So much for caring about abortion. When it comes down to it, I’d venture to say you are against trump not because of his life stances but something else.
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You’d be wrong. The way I see it, the more people who don’t care about life issues keep getting elected, the more likely it becomes a non issue for all politicians. If people start seeing they can’t get elected without being strong on life, the more it will sway public opinion.
That’s just the way it seems to me, I may be wrong. However, since I’ve been voting, our republican primary winners have been getting weaker and weaker on life issues. I thought Romney and McCain were weak on life issues! Know they look like great champions of life compared to Trump! And do we even need to talk about the Dems? Wasn’t Carter pro-life at one time?! We can see where that has led.

No, the only hope I can see is for at least one party to realize they can’t win without a strong pro-life candidate.
 
No, the only hope I can see is for at least one party to realize they can’t win without a strong pro-life candidate.
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This is verified false by sheer statistics and core conservative principles. Theres nothing wrong with Trumps stance on the issue. No strong pro-life candidate has done a damn thing in 50 years. I fail to see a point and repeating a point no-one made here doesn’t make it any stronger only more absurd. Religious Freedom is the core principle as I said Trump and Cruz lead in that core conservative department. 🤷
 
10gr8kids said:
You’d be wrong. The way I see it, the more people who don’t care about life issues keep getting elected, the more likely it becomes a non issue for all politicians. If people start seeing they can’t get elected without being strong on life, the more it will sway public opinion.
That’s just the way it seems to me, I may be wrong. However, since I’ve been voting, our republican primary winners have been getting weaker and weaker on life issues. I thought Romney and McCain were weak on life issues! Know they look like great champions of life compared to Trump! And do we even need to talk about the Dems? Wasn’t Carter pro-life at one time?! We can see where that has led.

No, the only hope I can see is for at least one party to realize they can’t win without a strong pro-life candidate.
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You will never help the prolife movement by sitting out an election. I hope you reconsider.
 
GaryTaylor said:
They both have garnered the evangelical vote, thats the resemblance and a core conservative principle is religious freedom. Both speak well to the point. This is getting redundant now. I’ll check back later case a real point came to the surface. The conversation has become circular and yes emotional and much to do about nothing.
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Here you go GT

bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2015-01-24/donald-trump-on-abortion-i-m-pro-life

Why an evangelical would support Trump when he believes this is beyond me. Abortion and the legality of it should be emotional. If there isn’t righteous anger over it, it is because we’ve become slothful in our faith.
 
10gr8kids said:
That’s my plan as of now.
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Which is a contradiction to your own thinking of proposed strong pro life values. Its a cold blooded contradiction. Its a vote for Hillary and makes no sense and is a emotional non thought out position.
 
10gr8kids said:
Here you go GT

bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2015-01-24/donald-trump-on-abortion-i-m-pro-life

Why an evangelical would support Trump when he believes this is beyond me. Abortion and the legality of it should be emotional. If there isn’t righteous anger over it, it is because we’ve become slothful in our faith.
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No I don’t think so, here you go…
Defund Planned Parenthood. (Oct 2015)
Planned Parenthood is important, but abortions must stop. (Aug 2015)
I have evolved on abortion issue, like Reagan evolved. (Aug 2015)
Ban late abortions; exceptions for rape, incest or health. (Jun 2015)
I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice. (Apr 2011)
I changed my views to pro-life based on personal stories. (Apr 2011)
I am pro-life; fight ObamaCare abortion funding. (Feb 2011)
Pro-choice, but ban partial birth abortion. (Jul 2000)
Favors abortion rights but respects opposition. (Dec 1999)
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So thats not good enough but Hillary is?
 
queenofheartscv said:
You will never help the prolife movement by sitting out an election. I hope you reconsider.
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And you are helping it how? I have reconsidered before, Romney, McCain, and George W.

As you trump supporters keep telling us, where has it gotten us?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Which is a contradiction to your own thinking of proposed strong pro life values. Its a cold blooded contradiction. Its a vote for Hillary and makes no sense and is a emotional non thought out position.
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Not if you read my later post
 
GaryTaylor said:
Religious Freedom is the core principle as I said Trump and Cruz lead in that core conservative department. 🤷
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I have a hard time imagining Trump being a religious man. He said in one interview that he goes to church when he can (I wonder how often that is?) and always on Christmas and Easter and special occasions.

Also, he said that he attends the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica Queens, which is part of the Presbyterian Church U.S.A., a denomination that performs same-sex marriages, hardly a denomination that I would think that most conservative Christians would approve of, and yet he’s getting a lot of support from them.

christianpost.com/news/6-interesting-facts-about-donald-trumps-christian-faith-140522/
 
10gr8kids said:
That’s my plan as of now.
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I love the GOP, but we have to bear in mind that the it can’t necessarily be “all things to all people”. I’m not saying it shouldn’t try to be, but I mention this because earlier I heard someone in the GOP (I forget who) say that if Trump gets the nomination, he (the speaker) would push for some Republican or other to run as a third party (“real republican”) alternative to Trump.

I can’t begin to say what an awful idea I consider that to be.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Ok, as a normal person, when someone attacks a person you trust and like, and you see they are not being honest about it, you get upset.

The only reason Trump is winning is because he works hard and that he’s able to speak to the people. He’s winning not because of the attacks but despite them.
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The largest reason for Trump’s current success is his ability to play into people’s fears and incite voters with meaningless (but still dangerous) rhetoric.
 
gracepoole said:
The largest reason for Trump’s current success is his ability to play into people’s fears and incite voters with meaningless (but still dangerous) rhetoric.
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In other words, the reason for Trump’s success is people are fools.

Sorry but I’ll disagree.
 
10gr8kids said:
And you are helping it how? I have reconsidered before, Romney, McCain, and George W.

As you trump supporters keep telling us, where has it gotten us?
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If things are bad on the pro-life front, it’s not just because of the politicians. It’s largely because of the culture and the lack of preaching in our churches. It’s unfair to lump all the responsibility on the president.

I’ll never vote for someone pro-abortion, and hillary is that and worse. She represents so much that’s bad that no matter who is running against her, I’ll vote for that person.
 
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