Trump v GOP

[irishpatrick]

No. One thing I learned about voting for Obama - don’t just go by emotion, the fact that you like the guy, or that everyone around you likes the guy. I will never do that again. I told myself he would be to the right of Hillary; a Jack Kennedy kind of Democrat. If I had been responsible about examining and informing myself about who he was and what he wanted to do I would not have fallen for the hype. There were red flags everywhere.

Yes, as there are today about Trump, and yet we see history repeating itself, only this time it is on the right side of the aisle.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Of course, we must pick up our cross daily, and follow the Lord.

However, the Lord also admonished us to feed and clothe the poor, that was a mandate, not a suggestion. We will not be able to say to the Lord, “well, I took care of my own business” when we face Him in judgment. Therefore, I don’t think (regarding abortion) we’ll be able to us the, “I was taking care of my own business” defense when it comes to ignoring the plight of the unborn.

What exactly does being the salt and light mean if we are do not to be directly concerned about those who are ignorant of the Gospel, and those who are the most vulnerable among us (poor, needy, sick, and the unborn)?

Are you saying unless we vote for Rubio we are not exactly salt and light?

How come, then, the Church doesn’t designate specific periods/feasts for eradication of abortion? How come our priests seldom peach about abortion? How come the Holy Father hasn’t told us the only priority of an election is anti-abortion?

I’ve supported McCain and Romney. I’ve given substantial money to pro-life causes. And if someone insists I’m in trouble because of I’m a trumpster, because I’m not placing abortion as the first and only issue in my head, I will not agree.

 

[gracepoole]

And I see, these kinds of statements seem to rely on accusing other people of prejudice rather than dealing with real concerns.

When are people accused of bigotry? When a good argument can not be made against them. Nothing better to marginalize others with.

I’ve accused no one here of bigotry. But I very willingly accuse Trump of espousing and encouraging it.

 

[Path_Finder]

Actually, I hope the 47% comment will come back into Republican discourse. Not that I want to grind Romney down, but because the incident illustrates that misstatements are not forgiven nearly as easily in the general election as they are in the primary season.

We have an electorate that voted for a man who voted 4 times against the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act, that setting aside infants surviving abortion and born alive from any life support.

47% comment is virtually nothing at all in comparison.

 

[Path_Finder]

Right now, we have a terrible illegal immigration problem,

The pro-life movement can be irreparably harmed by unimpeded immigration, the whole United States can become like California, having bills introduced for home abortions and the like.

As someone said, a lot of these issues are very integrally related.

 

[gracepoole]

Enforcing our ‘rule of law’ and properly screening immigrants is logical, the xenophobia is only imagined in the minds of his detractors.

The rhetoric used by Trump regarding illegal immigrants and refugees is filled with irrational fear, including assumptions that they will murder Americans, steal jobs, spread disease, and strip America of its greatness. That’s xenophobia. He doesn’t speak in measured tones about balanced policies that acknowledge the humanity of these individuals. He insists on speech that is rooted in emotion and fear.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Yes, as there are today about Trump, and yet we see history repeating itself, only this time it is on the right side of the aisle.

Yep, as I recall you lean to Cruz? I am behind Rubio, but I am starting to suspect Cruz is stronger, so…I am ready to jump ship if need be - to Cruz (even if I don’t have the same personal warm fuzzies about him). I am learning, hopefully not too late. I hope if Rubio pulls out the Cruz and Kasich people will do the same. Mind over heart. Mind over heart.

 

[gracepoole]

Again, this is your interpretation. We don’t believe trump is supporting xenophobia. We see a lot of logic in what he says.

I realize that. To be frank (and not in an attempt to be insulting), this is what I find so tremendously scary.

 

[randomuser]

Are you saying unless we vote for Rubio we are not exactly salt and light?

How come, then, the Church doesn’t designate specific periods/feasts for eradication of abortion? How come our priests seldom peach about abortion? How come the Holy Father hasn’t told us the only priority of an election is anti-abortion?

I’ve supported McCain and Romney. I’ve given substantial money to pro-life causes. And if someone insists I’m in trouble because of I’m a trumpster, because I’m not placing abortion as the first and only issue in my head, I will not agree.

Well, as matter of fact, Catholic Answers Director of Apologetics Tim Staples has an essential article, “The Catholic Vote,” which should be required reading for any “pro-life” Catholics considering Trump. Directly from Catholic Answers:
catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/the-catholic-vote-0

 

[randomuser]

We have an electorate that voted for a man who voted 4 times against the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act, that setting aside infants surviving abortion and born alive from any life support.

Who undoubtedly also thinks PP does “wonderful work” for women.

 

[gracepoole]

Rush Limbaugh talked about how political correctness has shushed so many normal people in this country that they are now fed up. They are fed up with being labeled something they are not when they haven’t done anything other than have an opinion.

Not all opinions are equal, nor are all even Christian. The problem is that now people feel free to use language and characterizations that speak to the ugliest and basest aspects of humanity – all in an attempt to reject political correctness. It would be wise for us not to chuck the baby out with the bath water.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Well, as matter of fact, Catholic Answers Director of Apologetics Tim Staples has an essential article, “The Catholic Vote,” which should be required reading for any “pro-life” Catholics considering Trump. Directly from Catholic Answers:
catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/the-catholic-vote-0

Wait till Trump is standing against Hillary, then. I hope people won’t come here and say how they won’t vote for Trump against Hillary because of blah blah blah.

 

[Path_Finder]

“Well, there’s racism out there. Look at all this bigotry!” It’s nothing of the sort, and because that’s been attached to it, those allegations have made people mad. People who are not racist have been called racist. People who are not bigots have been called bigots. People who are not homophobes have been called homophobes. People who have deeply held religious beliefs have been attacked as the problem in this country when they were not.

This is great stuff, even if Pope Francis talks informally on the Charlie Hebdo shootings or on other matters, it is refreshing to hear direct talk, the same for much of what Trump says and so on.

 

[Path_Finder]

I have voted pro-life always, I have that record and have tried to do a few other things, come the general election, it likely won’t be a problem to make my choice.

 

[irishpatrick]

Are you saying unless we vote for Rubio we are not exactly salt and light?

How come, then, the Church doesn’t designate specific periods/feasts for eradication of abortion? How come our priests seldom peach about abortion? How come the Holy Father hasn’t told us the only priority of an election is anti-abortion?

I’ve supported McCain and Romney. I’ve given substantial money to pro-life causes. And if someone insists I’m in trouble because of I’m a trumpster, because I’m not placing abortion as the first and only issue in my head, I will not agree.

No–I am saying that unless we (as Catholic first) choose to take a stand for life, than legal abortion will never end. We should, imo, never vote for any pro-choice person, not even in the lower offices because often those people move up. Until we make an absolute commitment to life, the slaughter will continue. We Catholics represents a quarter of the population–we have it within our grasp to end this horror, but we never take it seriously enough to make it the number one priority.

Imagine how much easier our political cycles would be if abortion and the marriage issue was solved and off the table? We’d be able to return to a much calm discussion of other issues.

Immigration is huge–and I mean huge. Yet, does it compare to 60,000,000 killed? We have slaughtered the equalivalent of the half Mexico’s population over the last 43 years and that just keeps going.

If we do not put life first, then who will?

 

[randomuser]

Wait till Trump is standing against Hillary, then. I hope people won’t come here and say how they won’t vote for Trump against Hillary because of blah blah blah.

You hope pro-life Catholics won’t be firm in their conscience and won’t want to support the promotion of the nation’s largest abortion provider? It’s called “non-negotiable” for a reason.

 

[queenofheartscv]

You hope pro-life Catholics won’t be firm in their conscience and won’t want to support the promotion of the nation’s largest abortion provider? It’s called “non-negotiable” for a reason.

Keep befuddling the issue. The non-negotiable issue is abortion, not Planned Parenthood. Trump said he won’t fund PP unless they stop abortions.

Your line of argument about PP cheerleading is not going to work. Everyone know where Trump stands.

And if you think catholics should all vote for Hillary against trump or sit out the election, I don’t see why any catholic would have to listen to you.

 

[gracepoole]

No–I am saying that unless we (as Catholic first) choose to take a stand for life, than legal abortion will never end. We should, imo, never vote for any pro-choice person, not even in the lower offices because often those people move up. Until we make an absolute commitment to life, the slaughter will continue. We Catholics represents a quarter of the population–we have it within our grasp to end this horror, but we never take it seriously enough to make it the number one priority.

Imagine how much easier our political cycles would be if abortion and the marriage issue was solved and off the table? We’d be able to return to a much calm discussion of other issues.

Immigration is huge–and I mean huge. Yet, does it compare to 60,000,000 killed? We have slaughtered the equalivalent of the half Mexico’s population over the last 43 years and that just keeps going.

If we do not put life first, then who will?

I do not support abortion. That said, morality isn’t determined by numbers – for Catholics, one life is as sacred as a thousand. The problem seems to be that we don’t have one candidate who represents respect for this sanctity in all its forms.

 

[queenofheartscv]

nice try…

 

[irishpatrick]

I do not support abortion. That said, morality isn’t determined by numbers – for Catholics, one life is as sacred as a thousand. The problem seems to be that we don’t have one candidate who represents respect for this sanctity in all its forms.

I agree, and never said numbers matters. I simply and citing the numbers to make a point. Rubio is for life in all instances and is against abortion in all cases. Santorum was too, but he got nowhere.