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Path_Finder said:
Actually, Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee have floated this idea from the link as well. Rand, who of course, is not running even put this in some bill before congress.

All I will say is Governor Kasich has a clear record of signing pro-life measures into law, it is also an idea to lower the number of abortions done, de-fund planned parenthood and so on.

I’m just saying, Governor Kasich has real accomplishments per this but if Cruz is elected President, perhaps such a bill could be passed and signed. That would be great.

Even “personhood” amendments have run into problems in a number of states where it has been put on the ballot.

Sometimes goals have to be realistic as well to do the most good just in my view.
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Right I think their sights are set on abortion, its become slightly a secondary issue encapsulated under religious freedom at the moment, but by large we are dealing with 1-minute sound bites on all these issues. So there is no real elaboration on any issue live.
 
Here’s some encouraging news for Ted Cruz in today’s Guardian:
The reality TV star Caitlyn Jenner has offered to serve as America’s “trans ambassador” if Ted Cruz wins the presidency – leading many in the LGBT community to express horror at the prospect.
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“I like Ted Cruz,” Jenner said, in an interview with the Advocate.
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“I think he’s very conservative and a great constitutionalist and a very articulate man. I haven’t endorsed him or anything like that. But I also think: he’s an evangelical Christian, and probably one of the worst ones when it comes to trans issues.”
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theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/05/caitlyn-jenner-ted-cruz-trans-ambassador
 
Path_Finder said:
For the record, Jenner is a long time Republican and conservative.
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I think it’s sad that in the U.S. some people mock the idea of a pro-life social democrat and a transgender fiscal conservative. Why shouldn’t one be transgender and support the GOP or pro-life and support the Dems?

It is a sign of how stupidly and dangerously polarized the U.S. has become. This must end at some point. Other countries don’t have this strange American malady.
 
Vouthon said:
I think it’s sad that in the U.S. some people mock the idea of a pro-life social democrat and a transgender fiscal conservative.

It is a sign of how stupidly and dangerously polarized the U.S. has become. This must end at some point. Other countries don’t have this strange American malady.
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American politics can indeed get hectic.
 
10gr8kids said:
How exciting, more and more people who either care nothing for the life of the unborn, or place their lives somewhere below economics, building a wall, or whatever.
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What are you talking about, Trump is against abortion.
It’s a position I regrettable didn’t come to till later in life myself.
 
gracepoole said:
And yet somehow I doubt Cruz would see Jenner’s endorsement as welcome.
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And that’s my point. Fiscal conservatism should be divorced from social conservatism, while fiscal progresivism should be divorced from social liberal. A person should have the liberty to be not only pro-life and right-wing economically but pro-life and left-wing economically, or pro-choice and right-wing economically as well as pro-choice and left-wing economically.

The binary polarization of US politics is overly simplistic and stifling for human political freedom IMHO. Not everyone fits into the neat categories created by the oversimplified GOP-Dem platforms.

It’s weird for me as a European looking at this. I’ve always felt this about US politics.
 
Vouthon said:
I think it’s sad that in the U.S. some people mock the idea of a pro-life social democrat and a transgender fiscal conservative.

It is a sign of how stupidly and dangerously polarized the U.S. has become. This must end at some point. Other countries don’t have this strange American malady.
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I can understand someone being a transgender or gay fiscal conservative. But I find it hard to understand why any of these people would want to belong to a party where they are not really welcome. For example:
On Thursday in a joint press release with The Metroplex Republicans, officials from The Log Cabin Republicans addressed being denied a booth at the Texas GOP Convention. Executive Director of the Log Cabin Republicans, Gregory T Angelo, told Breitbart Texas that his “blood is boiling” over being denied a spot for representing gay Republicans.
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breitbart.com/texas/2014/05/30/log-cabin-republicans-denied-booth-at-texas-gop-convention/
 
Thorolfr said:
I can understand someone being a transgender or gay fiscal conservative. But I find it hard to understand why any of these people would want to belong to a party where they are not really welcome. For example:

breitbart.com/texas/2014/05/30/log-cabin-republicans-denied-booth-at-texas-gop-convention/
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I agree and that’s what I think is a serious problem in US politics. It creates an enforced polarization which is actually quite illiberal or un-democratic, in that an economically progressive-leaning pro-lifer might feel compelled to side with the GOP or go independent because the Democrats don’t seem to welcome him, while a gay fiscally conservative person might feel that he has to lay his lot with the Dems because the GOP doesn’t welcome him.

It’s a bizarre and illogical set-up that actually restricts, rather than facilitates, free choice.

I think that the U.S. needs more Caitlyn Jenner’s or pro-life Dems to revolutionize the political system and upend it. Only then can people truly vote according to their conscience.
 
Theo520 said:
What are you talking about, Trump is against abortion.
It’s a position I regrettable didn’t come to till later in life myself.
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Trump is not totally against abortion in all circumstances:
The more important question is not what Trump said in the past but what he would do in the future. Trump says he’s pro-life except in the cases when a pregnancy endangers the life of the mother or is the result of rape or incest, although it remains unclear if he thinks abortion should be generally legal in the first three months of pregnancy (a position that is more accurately described as “pro-choice”).
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Trump has said he’d sign a ban on abortion during the last four months of pregnancy, when infants can feel pain and are capable of surviving long-term outside the womb.
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weeklystandard.com/would-donald-trump-be-a-pro-abortion-president/article/2000619
 
Thorolfr said:
Trump is not totally against abortion in all circumstances:
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So you are pulling a ‘no true Scotsman’ defense.

He’s not Catholic.
Do you knowingly label all Protestant denominations as ‘pro-choice’?
 
queenofheartscv said:
It’s a joke, don’t be so dense.

“I do solemnly swear that I, no matter how I feel, no matter what the conditions, if there are hurricanes or whatever, will vote on or before the 12th for Donald J. Trump for president.”

He’s done this before, saying, if your wife leaves you for another man, you have to forget about it, go out and vote.
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I beleive he likes messing with people.
 
queenofheartscv said:
It’s a joke, don’t be so dense.
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Thanks for the compliment. :tiphat:

And of course it was a joke. But for those who’ve heard his rhetoric before from other, let’s say, world leaders, the response of those in the crowd and the visual symbolism of it is a tad on the nose.
 
Vouthon said:
I think it’s sad that in the U.S. some people mock the idea of a pro-life social democrat and a transgender fiscal conservative. Why shouldn’t one be transgender and support the GOP or pro-life and support the Dems?

It is a sign of how stupidly and dangerously polarized the U.S. has become. This must end at some point. Other countries don’t have this strange American malady.
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Do you know anything about the platforms of the two parties? If you read them, you might see the problem with your analysis. As a Catholic you certainly should.
 
Theo520 said:
So you are pulling a ‘no true Scotsman’ defense.

He’s not Catholic.
Do you knowingly label all Protestant denominations as ‘pro-choice’?
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If someone claims to be “pro-life” but allows abortion in cases not only of rape or incest or the health of the mother but also during the first five months of pregnancy, that’s not much different from the “pro-choice” position.
 
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