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Darryl1958 said:
When the truth starts to get difficult for Trump’s supporters to hear, that means that something is finally getting through.

The man does not have conservative values.
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What truth, the illusive so-called truth about this abortion issue. It hasn’t been supplied by those who imho critique Trump falsely. Wheres this truth still waiting for it as I have been for days. Never arrived as of yet? Where? :confused:
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
:confused::confused::confused::confused:

How come when Obama was praising the other good services at Planned Parenthood, it was pointed out that they don’t actually provide mammograms and only provide cervical cancer screenings.

But Trump is saying something similar, and now it’s fine.

A cancer patient would not receive treatment at Planned Parenthood.

So who is Trump talking about “millions of women”?
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Trump “claims” he has received letters from women stating they have been helped by Planned Parenthood in non-abortion related services I gather. So if he says he has received thousands of letters, it might mean hundreds or dozens but the letters probably do exist all the same.

Trump is striking a compromise that many pro-lifers find repugnant and I do. At the same time, he has said no abortion at planned parenthood and they would be defunded if they continue to do such.

This was a compromise I have never even fathomed which is interesting in itself. They’d have to be totally out of the business, no referrals, recommendations or anything.
 
Path_Finder said:
Trump “claims” he has received letters from women stating they have been helped by Planned Parenthood in non-abortion related services I gather. So if he says he has received thousands of letters, it might mean hundreds or dozens but the letters probably do exist all the same.

Trump is striking a compromise that many pro-lifers find repugnant and I do. At the same time, he has said no abortion at planned parenthood and they would be defunded if they continue to do such.

This was a compromise I have never even fathomed which is interesting in itself. They’d have to be totally out of the business, no referrals, recommendations or anything.
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If abortion ceases to be a reality “non-abortion related services” and “he has said no abortion at planned parenthood and they would be defunded if they continue to do such.”

Could you please explain how this is against Catholic teaching on abortion? Do you realize this argument makes no sense?

Someone may have a point but I sure don’t see where. 🤷
 
Path_Finder said:
Trump “claims” he has received letters from women stating they have been helped by Planned Parenthood in non-abortion related services I gather. So if he says he has received thousands of letters, it might mean hundreds or dozens but the letters probably do exist all the same.

Trump is striking a compromise that many pro-lifers find repugnant and I do. At the same time, he has said no abortion at planned parenthood and they would be defunded if they continue to do such.

This was a compromise I have never even fathomed which is interesting in itself. They’d have to be totally out of the business, no referrals, recommendations or anything.
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I don’t know. Maybe these millions of women are the same ones who told him about the thousands of Muslims celebrating in Jersey City on 9/11.

Or the same mothers of the babies that contracted autism.

Remember he mentioned a beautiful baby who became autistic weeks after a vaccine?
“People that work for me. Just the other day — 2 years old, 2 and a half years old, the child, a beautiful child, went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic.”
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nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-claims-vaccinations-linked-autism-article-1.2363670
 
GaryTaylor said:
If he doesn’t support abortion which he obviously doesn’t but supports aspects of PP with abortion banned how is that an issue?

Frankly I think we are talking past the issue and avoiding addressing as I read on this thread. 🤷
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Why should we believe he doesn’t support abortion? He supposedly changed his mind 180 degrees on abortion coincidentally at the same exact time he decided to run for president as a Republican - after being a lifelong strong supporter of unlimited abortion. Why would anyone believe that?
 
TMC said:
Why should we believe he doesn’t support abortion? He supposedly changed his mind 180 degrees on abortion coincidentally at the same exact time he decided to run for president as a Republican - after being a lifelong strong supporter of unlimited abortion. Why would anyone believe that?
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Thats not a point nor addressed the issue. Its an assumption he won’t do as he said and THAT will then be against the Church teaching. Your gonna have to come better than that. Lets put this crystal clear for you as a counter point, since 73, all those years all the republicans lied and so its not a point. Its another deflection from addressing the point which in fact is all thats been here for 96 pages. I guess no one has a point and I’ll call it bs. How that? 🤷
 
GaryTaylor said:
If abortion ceases to be a reality “non-abortion related services” and “he has said no abortion at planned parenthood and they would be defunded if they continue to do such.”

Could you please explain how this is against Catholic teaching on abortion? Do you realize this argument makes no sense?

Someone may have a point but I sure don’t see where. 🤷
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On this topic, I’m reading what websites like what liveactionnews.org/ and other such sources say.

I guess, in that sense, it would not be against Catholic Teaching if abortion was totally taken out but it is controversial and they’d probably be able to dispense contraception. Also, the “morning after pill” and abortifacients would need to be totally taken out to conform with Catholic teaching.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I guess he’s got nothing to do with those gorgeous buildings, golf courses under his name. I get you don’t like trump, but your post has nothing of value.
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gracepoole said:
In many cases, no, he doesn’t.

How Donald Trump cashes in even when his name-brand properties fail
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queenofheartscv said:
Oh I see. you believe trump accomplished nothing and only achieved bankruptcies. His money came from exploiting others and he’s not good at anything.

Thanks and I will not buy it.
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Rather than explain how you’ve misinterpreted my post (again), I’m just going to leave the above here as I think it all stands for itself.
 
GaryTaylor said:
And after 95 pages and direct confrontation, no-one has made this suggested point. Just bang on with false accusations as I see unless I missed something but if that was the case you would think someone would be Catholic charitable and address and post it? Where can I find that it appears to be missing while accusing others of faith issues? What a hoot that is. 😉
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Facts matter. In message #1399 you state, and I quote, “Your point is moot as no-one “praised” PP.”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13725766&postcount=1399

As point of charity and correction, I provided facts in message #1402 to demonstrate that yes, in fact, he did praise PP:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13725820&postcount=1402

To which that charity and correction was met with unfounded accusations that I am somehow questioning your faith. The fact is - since facts matter, and let’s leave emotion out of it - is that there is no precedent whatsoever for a “pro-life” leader to praise Planned Parenthood. I know the truth is difficult for Trump fans to hear, but you can’t be pro-life if you think Planned Parenthood is doing wonderful work.

Let’s see what factcheck.org has to say about PP’s wonderful work as it doesn’t relate to abortion:
*Abortions accounted for 3 percent of the nearly 10.6 million total services provided by Planned Parenthood clinics in 2013, according to its annual report.

Some services it provided in addition to abortions were:
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4.5 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
3.6 million contraception related services
935,573 cancer screenings including breast exams and Pap tests
1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services
However, critics of the 3 percent figure note that an abortion isn’t equivalent to other individual services, such as giving out condoms or providing pregnancy tests.*
Source: factcheck.org/2015/09/planned-parenthoods-services/

Logic would dictate, therefore, that handing out contraceptives and testing for STI’s - which by definition are sexually transmitted infections - and related services must be “wonderful” since those are the other things that aren’t killing unborn babies. Of course, abstinence is the only guaranteed way not to get STI’s/STD’s.

All of the “wonderful” non-abortion-related things PP supposedly does can be handed by any primary care physician. Again…facts. Not emotion.
 
gracepoole said:
Rather than explain how you’ve misinterpreted my post (again), I’m just going to leave the above here as I think it all stands for itself.
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I know you didn’t say that literally but you are implying things. The other poster said trump is only good at building walls, then I mentioned he’s built many gorgeous buildings and golf courses. Then you came in and said trump has nothing to do with many of these buildings and makes money even when the buildings fail. Your point is to negate the good things trump has achieved in life and only accentuate scandals and failures and suggest he’s a fraud.

Sorry. But I like it when people give credit where it’s due.

The post office turned trump hotel in DC is going to be gorgeous and yeah, trump built it.
 
I guess, in that sense, it would not be against Catholic Teaching if abortion was totally taken out
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Oh its not a guess if in fact he does what he claims it for sure is not against Catholic teaching and for sure would be called “progress” . Thats a fact.

Now the argument of politicians and the truth, I would say this, according to factual reality and history, they all lie as they have with abortion. 🤷

I don’t know that one assumes Trump is lying as a very good point when he could easily have sold everyone a bridge but instead appears to be genuine. Just saying
 
Darryl1958 said:
When the truth starts to get difficult for Trump’s supporters to hear, that means that something is finally getting through.

The man does not have conservative values.
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Oh, don’t be silly and so nonsensical. Of course the man’s “pro-life” and espouses conservative values. He says he only likes Planned Parenthood except for when it comes to abortion. That makes everything ok since there’s nothing else Planned Parenthood does that’s at odds with Catholic teaching. 🙂

</SARCASM OFF>
 
queenofheartscv said:
I know you didn’t say that literally but you are implying things. The other poster said trump is only good at building walls, then I mentioned he’s built many gorgeous buildings and golf courses. Then you came in and said trump has nothing to do with many of these buildings and makes money even when the buildings fail. Your point is to negate the good things trump has achieved in life and only accentuate scandals and failures and suggest he’s a fraud.
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No, that’s not my point. You brought up the many buildings and golf courses bearing the Trump name. I simply pointed out that he often has nothing to do with many entities with his name on them. He licenses his name and this is one way in which he makes money – in fact, it’s a favorite of his. You may well call this an achievement – feel free to do so. I was simply including factually correct information.
 
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