Trump v GOP

[queenofheartscv]

Which does not mean that they can be used generally

True.

 

[randomuser]

I see that; but now, if we could take abortion connections, facilities out of Planned Parenthood are we now demanding they can not dispense contraception?

Marco Rubio has even separated contraception from abortion, calling it a personal issue and Rick Santorum separated contraception from abortion. One is getting into a sticky area if one is now insisting Planned Parenthood follow Catholic theology to a t.

I brought up the abortifacient issue which seems problematic.

But at the least, let’s not fuse contraception and abortion together as the same service.

The point I was addressing was this whopper – “Trumps position completely aligns with Catholic teaching.” – in message #1457:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13726234&postcount=1457

Which would only be true - completely aligns with Catholic teaching - if Catholic teachings permits artificial birth control and thinks its distribution is “wonderful.”

Hence, the disconnect between being “pro-life” and praising Planned Parenthood. The other candidates you mentioned never in a million years would praise PP.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Republicans are mostly liars, I’ll grant you that. I have never understood why so many conservative Catholics buy their empty promises year after year. But what reason do we have for believing Trump’s new found position on abortion now?

I doubt many of Trump’s supporters support him because they believe he is strongly pro-life. They should just admit that they are taking that issue of the table this cycle, because that is what is happening.

Spot on. I’ve been there as a Democrat. The irony is that at least as a Democrat you come out ok on caring for the poor, immigration, foreign policy (limited use of military means to end conflict) gun control, death penalty, the environment, health care for all, progressive taxes (government programs and regulation). You get burned on social issues, birth control, abortion and traditional marriage (and now add religious liberty), that is it. And the fact is that most ‘liberal’ Catholics, or at least in my case, once I changed from prochoice to prolife (20 yrs ago), I did personally never support abortion in any platform, not in my conscience.

As for Trump, my concern goes far beyond his weakness on right to life issues. That is a drop of water in the ocean of problems with Trump. Each one disqualifying in its own right. Lack of core principles, lack of temperament, lack of appropriate experience, lack of business/professional ethics, no bottom line in terms of how low he will go, ad hominem, lack of capacity to reconcile, unite, compromise, lack of moral integrity (see KKK epidsode). Do you want your son to grow up and act like Trump? Then don’t vote for him.

 

[Path_Finder]

The point I was addressing was this whopper – “Trumps position completely aligns with Catholic teaching.” – in message #1457:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13726234&postcount=1457

Which would only be true - completely aligns with Catholic teaching - if Catholic teachings permits artificial birth control and thinks its distribution is “wonderful.”

Hence, the disconnect between being “pro-life” and praising Planned Parenthood. The other candidates you mentioned never in a million years would praise PP.

As said, this was in reference to abortion; I didn’t think we were talking about contraception as well and I agree with the other poster on this. That’s the way I see it, I could be wrong.

The issue seems to be about “removing” abortion from Planned Parenthood,

No abortion clinics and they’ve built some big ones lately, No referrals to abortion performers and no abortifacients and no abortions performed by PP.

Again, half a loaf of bread is better than none.

 

[randomuser]

But we are talking abortion specifically as you insisted.

You claim Trump never praised PP – no sources, no proof – and I demonstrated he did, only to be attacked and accused of questioning your faith.

You claim Trump’s position – which includes praise PP minus the abortion, which still leaves artificial birth control, which Catholic teaching forbids – is in alignment with Church teaching.

The only thing I insist is that you substantiate outlandish claims with facts and not attack when you’re called on it.

 

[queenofheartscv]

You claim Trump never praised PP – no sources, no proof – and I demonstrated he did, only to be attacked and accused of questioning your faith.

You claim Trump’s position – which includes praise PP minus the abortion, which still leaves artificial birth control, which Catholic teaching forbids – is in alignment with Church teaching.

The only thing I insist is that you substantiate outlandish claims with facts and not attack when you’re called on it.

Can we put this to rest? Trump did praise PP, but he didn’t praise abortion. Everyone is clear on this. Can we move on? It’s getting tedious.

 

[gracepoole]

As for Trump, my concern goes far beyond his weakness on right to life issues. That is a drop of water in the ocean of problems with Trump. Each one disqualifying in its own right. Lack of core principles, lack of temperament, lack of appropriate experience, lack of business/professional ethics, no bottom line in terms of how low he will go, ad hominem, lack of capacity to reconcile, unite, compromise, lack of moral integrity (see KKK epidsode). Do you want your son to grow up and act like Trump? Then don’t vote for him.

It would seem that for some, perhaps many, all of these issues are irrelevant because they aren’t abortion. I wonder what conservative voters are willing to accept in exchange for a candidate who purports to be pro-life. How many immorals and evils would have to be championed by a candidate to outweigh that one issue?

 

[Path_Finder]

Again, let’s not get “confrontational” here, I likewise, saw the discussion only about abortion, nothing else.

So, perhaps we are taking two different perspectives here.

Okay, let’s go with the perspective that Trump’s view does not line up with Catholic teaching if Trump’s plan allows artificial contraception to be dispersed from Planned Parenthood.

A lot of persons, myself included, really hail the possibility of simply abortion being taken away from “America’s largest abortion provider”. This may not be a pure pro-life view, a pure Catholic view but it certainly would be a fantastic thing in itself.

 

[Path_Finder]

As for Trump, my concern goes far beyond his weakness on right to life issues. That is a drop of water in the ocean of problems with Trump. Each one disqualifying in its own right. Lack of core principles, lack of temperament, lack of appropriate experience, lack of business/professional ethics, no bottom line in terms of how low he will go, ad hominem, lack of capacity to reconcile, unite, compromise, lack of moral integrity (see KKK epidsode). Do you want your son to grow up and act like Trump? Then don’t vote for him.

This seems to be gratuitous bashing of Trump.

The big objection to Trump I think is that he wants immigration laws enforced and it seems to offend some. I wish I got the same leniency if I decide to break the law but maybe my skin color is not the correct one.

He denounced the KKK and Duke numerous times, Duke even before last Sunday’s comments, I don’t have the timeline for the other denunciations, Trump just got the Medgar Evers brother’s endorsement…

We can easily dig up some things on other candidates, perhaps some that would not even be accepted as postable on this forum but we know it’s come out on Rubio, on Cruz and so on. It shows how public of a figure Trump is.

 

[queenofheartscv]

). Do you want your son to grow up and act like Trump? Then don’t vote for him.

There are qualities in Trump I’d like my son to emulate. For instance every time Trump is asked to give advice to young people, he says, do what you love, work very very hard at it, and never quit. I’d like my son to grow up and be like that. Trump is fearless when surrounded by attacks; I’d like my son to be like that. Trump is quick on his feet and can talk without a teleprompter; I’d like my son to be like that. He has raised wonderful children; I’d like my son to do that. He works very very hard in everything he does; I’d like my son to be like that.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Trump’s loan was 1 million. And it was paid back quickly. I’ll just give my son a few thousand. Whether he becomes rich or not is not important, but the work ethic and never-ever-quit attitude I absolutely want my son to learn.

 

[gracepoole]

Trump is quick on his feet and can talk without a teleprompter; I’d like my son to be like that.

I think this has been said before so I apologize for the repeat – but I wish he’d use teleprompters more often. He often rambles without answering any question.

Here’s something humorous that’s making the rounds on Facebook. It’s obviously an exaggeration…but not by much:

Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?

“I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, ‘What’s 2+2’? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We’ve had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh my God, I can’t believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It’s terrible. It’s just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I’ll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It’s probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it’s probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I’m being honest, I mean, if I’m being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he’s a zero that I don’t like. Though, I probably shouldn’t say that. He’s a nice guy but he’s like, ‘10101000101,’ on and on, like that. He’s like a computer! You know what I mean? He’s like a computer. I don’t know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don’t tell you that, and I’ll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn’t believe it. So, we’re gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me.”

 

[Path_Finder]

I read an article and not from some far out website that talked about how for parts of Virginia, there has been more demographic changed in 20 years than most people will see in a community in 1000 years. These are ball park figures from what I remember.

The thing is, severe demographic changes should not be imposed on people and the response is that perhaps critics just shouldn’t be “xenophobic”.

Picture waking up tomorrow where you live and everyone in town was from some very foreign country very different from the world as you know it. I don’t think one would appreciate it.

 

[gracepoole]

Trump’s loan was 1 million. And it was paid back quickly. I’ll just give my son a few thousand. Whether he becomes rich or not is not important, but the work ethic and never-ever-quit attitude I absolutely want my son to learn.

Which of the candidates for either party doesn’t have a strong work ethic?

 

[Path_Finder]

Which of the candidates for either party doesn’t have a strong work ethic?

Well, they say Bernie never had a real job until he was 40, that’s just what the stories say and I’m sure I can find articles to back that up if one does not believe me.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I think this has been said before so I apologize for the repeat – but I wish he’d use teleprompters more often. He often rambles without answering any question.

Here’s something humorous that’s making the rounds on Facebook. It’s obviously an exaggeration…but not by much:

**
I’m sorry your post said this is an exaggeration but didn’t disclose this was not an actual answer given by Trump. This is thought up by somebody trying to use Trump’s style. A very important discloser you forgot to mention.**

mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/george-takei-just-perfectly-summed-7505779

And of course Trump slips up in speech once in a while, but I see as a tremendous value if someone can talk genuinely to others without reading a script. They have the courage to put themselves out there, to actually converse and take the risk of making blunders. I’d much rather my son learn to talk to anybody anywhere in any situation bravely and freely than to have him learn how to use a teleprompter.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I thought you were into getting the facts exactly right. I guess not.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I think this has been said before so I apologize for the repeat – but I wish he’d use teleprompters more often. He often rambles without answering any question.

Here’s something humorous that’s making the rounds on Facebook. It’s obviously an exaggeration…but not by much:

I actually heard his voice reading this. So funny!

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Which of the candidates for either party doesn’t have a strong work ethic?

I’d actually prefer my children to have my Dad’s work ethic, His two most common phrases were “Do it with your heart” and “As God Wills”.

But that’s a different topic.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio both have (1) strong work ethics (Rubio’s dad was a bartender) (2) solid conservative platforms (3) strong authentic prolife and traditional marriage positions in accordance with Catholic teaching. They don’t tweet out white supremacist tweets, and waffle on who David Duke is. I would love to see my son grow up to be like Cruz or Rubio. They did not support killing the wives and children of terrorists for six months.

Why support Trump over either one? Both poll better against Hillary too. With Cruz and Rubio you get everything the Trump supporters say they want and that he claims to give them in spite of a long public prochoice Democratic leaning record…and you have a much much better shot at winning the White House.