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gracepoole said:
Which of the candidates for either party doesn’t have a strong work ethic?
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Rubio doesn’t. He hardly shows up to vote. Hillary doesn’t either. She missed the emails and phone calls from Ambassador Stevens and never sent help requested by him.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio both have (1) strong work ethics (Rubio’s dad was a bartender) (2) solid conservative platforms (3) strong authentic prolife and traditional marriage positions in accordance with Catholic teaching. They don’t tweet out white supremacist tweets, and waffle on who David Duke is. I would love to see my son grow up to be like Cruz or Rubio.

Why support Trump over either one? Both poll better against Hillary too. With Cruz and Rubio you get everything the Trump supporters say they want and that he claims to give them in spite of a long public Democratic leaning record…and you have a much much better shot at winning the White House.
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How old are these polls?

Why is Kasich not mentioned as well? He polled better than Cruz or Rubio.

Carson was shown to be defeating Hillary too, maybe all should drop out and Carson come back in.

Trump believes in the law, I don’t get a pass on breaking the law because of my skin color, why should others?
 
Your sarcasm is not working with me. Not necessary. We are not discussing the divide between rich and poor.
 
queenofheartscv said:
Your sarcasm is not working with me. Not necessary. We are not discussing the divide between rich and poor.
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As long as we are talking about Western nations, I believe we can make these class distinctions. Perhaps one would be not only taken to issue per this if other countries were mentioned but would possibly even be held up to a type of ridicule.
 
queenofheartscv said:
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I’m sorry your post said this is an exaggeration but didn’t disclose this was not an actual answer given by Trump. This is thought up by somebody trying to use Trump’s style. A very important discloser you forgot to mention.**

mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/george-takei-just-perfectly-summed-7505779

And of course Trump slips up in speech once in a while, but I see as a tremendous value if someone can talk genuinely to others without reading a script. They have the courage to put themselves out there, to actually converse and take the risk of making blunders. I’d much rather my son learn to talk to anybody anywhere in any situation bravely and freely than to have him learn how to use a teleprompter.
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Dial it back a notch. Of course it’s a joke. Didn’t we have this same conversation yesterday? If you could see humor associated with your candidate of choice, this would be far easier. It really is permissible to laugh occasionally at any or all of those running.
 
gracepoole said:
Dial it back a notch. Of course it’s a joke. Didn’t we have this same conversation yesterday? If you could see humor associated with your candidate of choice, this would be far easier. It really is permissible to laugh occasionally at any or all of those running.
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No it’s important for me because I had to do a double take thinking this was what Trump really said. People are all different and we think differently. I had to go online and see if Trump really said this. When quoting something like this, it’s good to give a source. It’d have saved me from the effort and the discomfort.
 
I think Queen is actually doing very well since “Trump being most popular in this forum” indeed translates largely as the one most savaged on it that I don’t know if it would even be permissible in regards to some other public figures. But I think Trump can handle it.
 
Path_Finder said:
Good riddance to Teleprompters.
WYSIWYG.
Honesty.
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Yes, honesty even when you’re saying nothing at all or you’re making highly offensive statements.

Writing and speaking are two different skill sets. Writing permits us to craft solid, tight arguments that aren’t normally created on-the-fly. When we speak without forethought, there’s often a bunch of garbage thrown in along with a single kernel of something valuable. When we write, we can take that kernel and blow it out into something extremely persuasive. Teleprompters require writing, which necessarily requires forethought. That’s not an inherent negative.
 
queenofheartscv said:
No it’s important for me because I had to do a double take thinking this was what Trump really said. People are all different and we think differently. I had to go online and see if Trump really said this. When quoting something like this, it’s good to give a source. It’d have saved me from the effort and the discomfort.
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Sorry, I find it incredibly funny that you even considered whether Trump said it. That speaks to its spot-on humor. He really does sound like that. Over nothing. And everything.
 
gracepoole said:
Dial it back a notch. Of course it’s a joke. Didn’t we have this same conversation yesterday? If you could see humor associated with your candidate of choice, this would be far easier. It really is permissible to laugh occasionally at any or all of those running.
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To show that I’m able to laugh at my candidate, I offer you this link. It’s very funny…

youtube.com/watch?v=I0tE6T-ecmg
 
gracepoole said:
Sorry, I find it incredibly funny that you even considered whether Trump said it. That speaks to its spot-on humor. He really does sound like that. Over nothing. And everything.
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I’m an immigrant so when reading something in English I have the habit of believing what I read and also double checking things to make sure I’m understanding them right. It’s a different thought process than a native speaker would have.
 
gracepoole said:
Yes, honesty even when you’re saying nothing at all or you’re making highly offensive statements.

Writing and speaking are two different skill sets. Writing permits us to craft solid, tight arguments that aren’t normally created on-the-fly. When we speak without forethought, there’s often a bunch of garbage thrown in along with a single kernel of something valuable. When we write, we can take that kernel and blow it out into something extremely persuasive. Teleprompters require writing, which necessarily requires forethought. That’s not an inherent negative.
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Yes, this sounds rather correct if not even a bit righteous respectfully but if I were in a crowd like this, I’m glad I’m hearing direct talk and that is, with all its faults, part of Trump’s appeal and politics not as usual.

Hmmn, those gigantic crowds seem to like the spontaneity and those kinds of crowds have largely never been seen in decades if ever, to listen to a candidate speak.

So what is the more effective way of communication?
 
queenofheartscv said:
I’m an immigrant so when reading something in English I have the habit of believing what I read and also double checking things to make sure I’m understanding them right. It’s a different thought process than a native speaker would have.
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Got it. I honestly have tried to take that into account at different times (this is why I provided some context for Jharek’s “still beating your wife” reference). I will endeavor to pay more attention to this in the future with you.
 
Path_Finder said:
How old are these polls?

Why is Kasich not mentioned as well? He polled better than Cruz or Rubio.

Carson was shown to be defeating Hillary too, maybe all should drop out and Carson come back in.

Trump believes in the law, I don’t get a pass on breaking the law because of my skin color, why should others?
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**Wednesday, March 2

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Rasmussen Reports Clinton 41, Trump 36 Clinton +5

Tuesday, March 1

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Clinton 52, Trump 44 Clinton +8
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders CNN/ORC Sanders 55, Trump 43 Sanders +12
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Cruz 49, Clinton 48 Cruz +1
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders CNN/ORC Sanders 57, Cruz 40 Sanders +17
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton CNN/ORC Rubio 50, Clinton 47 Rubio +3
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders CNN/ORC Sanders 53, Rubio 45 Sanders +8 **

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/

I agree that Kasich is very good against Hillary in polling and I believe he would win quite easily in a general election. But I personally believe he is softer on right to life and marriage issues. Recently under pressure he has become more outspoken, but there is some question there. Again, I have no problem with Kasich.

We have been talking about Cruz and Rubio specifically with respect to profile and marriage - that is why I didn’t mention Kasich.
 
The statement is a proven. I was just saying this is so. It’s okay to talk about the West and thankfully, not be ridiculed.
 
I do often wish that watching our Senate were as entertaining as watching the British Parliament, for what it’s worth. 🙂
 
queenofheartscv said:
How do you get Rubio has good work ethics from “his dad was a bartender?”
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I am sorry to hear a note of sarcasm there - hope it is my imagination. The average annual salary of a bartender is $30,000. I think it is quite impressive to grow up in an underprivileged home, without money for college, and to rise up to a US senator and presidential candidate. To me, that speaks to work ethic.
 
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