Tucker: Adam Schiff should resign

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It apparently takes too much integrity for some folks on this board to admit when someone should be taken to task or called out. What Schiff did was reprehensible. But this is World News on Catholic Answers. The bar is set pretty low on expecting posters to have the character required to call a spade a spade.
 
How to react to," should be taken to task."
From a guy shilling and partisans concluding bad basically.
 
Again, where does it say in the Constitution that it is illegal to undermine the President?
Since the constitution doesn’t say a representative shouldn’t try to undermine an election, it must be okay?
Is that the new progressive standard, or just for Trump?
 
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JonNC:
Since the constitution doesn’t say a representative shouldn’t try to undermine an election, it must be okay?
The Constitution allows for impeachment of the President. It is OK.
So it is okay to use impeachment if your only reason is you didn’t like the outcome of the election. Republicans should keep this in mind the next time a Democrat is elected.
 
So it is okay to use impeachment if your only reason is you didn’t like the outcome of the election.
If that is the only reason articulated in the articles of impeachment, I suppose there would be some heqd-scratching. But that is a hypothetical; Articles of impeachment have been far more weighty.
 
The idea of," well it isn’t illegal," is an unfortunate development in the last 31/2 years. I have heard it countless times.
The idea that the line of criminality is where a president should opperate is a degradation. But it is where we are. WHO will restore the Cherry Tree parable? Who knows?
 
Trump defenders use it all the time. It wasn’t illegal when Trump Jr took the Russian meeting because you cannot proove the right intent beyond a reasonable doubt.
That’s an ethic of barely legal.
 
Trump defenders use it all the time. It wasn’t illegal when Trump Jr took the Russian meeting because you cannot proove the right intent beyond a reasonable doubt.
It wasn’t illegal because it wasn’t illegal. That’s why it wasn’t illegal. Unless you want to limit speech. It probably wasn’t illegal for the Clinton campaign through FusionGPS used their Russian Ties to set that meeting up. Jr. was Guilty of being naive enough not to see through it.
It wasn’t illegal for the Clinton campaign to collude with the Russians on the dossier, either.

So if you think these are ethics barely legal, then what Comey and McCabe, Strvok and Schiff did is off the charts.
But then, we had to have an insurance policy, the ends justify the means.
 
It was illegal, Mueller made a prosecutorial decision about proof of intent. Where not beyond s reasonable doubt contemplates a preponderance of evidence, or clear of convincing, although present, is not enough.
That’s my point about skirting the line found in the Mueller report. A representative example of my point.
It is not first Amendment protected. It is Campaign law that determines violation of law.
Clinton’s case is not nearly the same.
Closer to Clinton is this example. Trump wants to substantiate birther. He pays an investigator to go to Africa and investigate, obtain records, etc. This is not a violation.
Trump would pay market value for service.
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If an African government offered to gift it to assist in a campaign, that’s a violation.
Gifts are prohibited as well as contributions. Also prohibited( this applies to Trump jr) is solicitation.
Solicitation has a broad definition.
In this case:
The Russians contacted him. He had those comments of exuberance if I recall but he didn’t say can’t.
He said ok. I will contact you when we get closer to the election so it has a bigger impact( these are emails in evidence)
Then Trump jr calls them basically SOLICITING THE STUFF NOW.
This is as close as you get. The prosecutorial discretion was, they had a case of intent, but they decided the market value of what they were getting was to speculative to bring the case. A case they could have brought but it was weak on market value.
Obviously, if he got what he hoped for, he would be charged. He is free because he failed.
 
It was illegal, Mueller made a prosecutorial decision about proof of intent.
There was nothing illegal. There was no conspiracy collusion. There was no obstruction of justice.
That’s my point about skirting the line found in the Mueller report. A representative example of my point.
It is not first Amendment protected. It is Campaign law that determines violation of law.
No campaign laws were violated.
Clinton’s case is not nearly the same.
Closer to Clinton is this example.
You’re right. Clinton actually tried to buy Russian collusion. JR. basically answered a phone call.
Gifts are prohibited as well as contributions. Also prohibited( this applies to Trump jr) is solicitation.
Solicitation has a broad definition.
So, since Clinton tried to buy Russian collusion, instead of Jr. simply being willing to hear an offer (that was a set up by The Clinton campaign through FusionGPS), he did something wrong but Clinton was okay. Is that your point?
 
@JonNC There is no way these posters are going to see beyond their own conclusions regardless of how much information comes out disproving them. In their minds President Trump will ALWAYS be at fault and/or in the wrong while liberal progressives are ALWAYS without blame for everything.

At some point arguing with them is like banging your head against a brick wall.
 
You lost track of the conversation. I didn’t say illegal, I said skirt the line between illegal and not. Again, the conversation is about ," well it wasn’t illegal," as being a terrible standard. Nothing more.
Clinton purchased Intel relevant to her campaign. She fired GPS November 7. GPS took their work product to another client. The FBI. THEIR THIRD CLIENT ON THE FILE that began with a GOP client. That client fired GPS when Trump became nominee. GPS then had Clinton as the DNC as a client and a lawfirm.
I already said no conspiracy and why. Collusion is not a legal term and Mueller said he didn’t evaluate collusion.
No campaign law was violated is inaccurate. Mueller exercised discretion and I said why.
You said Clinton tried to buy Russian collusion.
That makes no sense. She investigated her opponents potential involvement with Russia in real time when it was clear Russia was helping Trump and Trump was using that help in his campaign.
Finally, you said Trump jr," was nearly interested in hearing an offer."
THIS IS NOT ACCURATE.
TRUMP JRS EMAILS show he solicited help during the campaign by Email. Solicitation alone violated the statute.
They could not fix a value to the help solicited.
 
Clinton purchased Intel relevant to her campaign. She fired GPS November 7. GPS took their work product to another client. The FBI.
This doesn’t change the fact that FusionGPS worked for Clinton, she paid to get dirt on Trump from the Russians. It doesn’t change the fact that Glenn Simpson met with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya Both before and after the Trump tower meeting.
No campaign law was violated is inaccurate. Mueller exercised discretion and I said why.
No campaign law was violated is accurate, at least regarding the Trump campaign.
You said Clinton tried to buy Russian collusion.
That makes no sense. She investigated her opponents potential involvement with Russia in real time when it was clear Russia was helping Trump and Trump was using that help in his campaign.
Please don’t hurt yourself trying to spin this. Clinton hired FusionGPS. Through Steele, they colluded with the Russians for information on Trump. She paid for that. She tried to buy dirt from the Russians.
Finally, you said Trump jr," was nearly interested in hearing an offer."
THIS IS NOT ACCURATE.
You can tell all you want, but that is what Jr. Did. He received an offer, staged by FusionGPS, to hear about dirt on Clinton. That’s all.
TRUMP JRS EMAILS show he solicited help during the campaign by Email. Solicitation alone violated the statute.
He did not contact them first. They did the contacting first. OTOH, Clinton paid for information on Trump. That is solicitation.
 
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