Two Hardcore Videoed EWTN Homilies on How to Dress/Act for Mass

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I don´t get your point, sorry,. Maybe out of a language barrier, but I doubt…
 
Yeah, I can tell you’re not getting my point which is sad and telling. Those arguments are all red herrings. What don’t you understand?
 
I don´t understand
  1. the term “red herrings” (sorry, never heard with my study english)
  2. Why you probably think my post is missing the theme. Please explain it to me.
 
  1. A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from the argument at hand. The priests are talking about immodest dress not breastfeeding mothers.
  2. See answer #1.
 
Thanks, new term learned.
I still think this is the point. I doubt “immodest dress” is defined, so I think the discussion is useless when one state that “this and this is modest”. We need to discuss the term modesty before we define standarts fur church or for everywhere else.
 
According to this – how a man dresses – affects his sex appeal. A man in a suit – sexier than man in a military uniform.
Study Reveals Clothes DO Make the Man Sexier, Smarter, and More Successful
Nine of 10 Americans find well-dressed men are more attractive than they really are

You can’t buy them love: A vast majority (85 percent) of women think a guy who dresses well is sexier than one who has a lot of money.

Women will sacrifice a lot for style: Eight in ten (80 percent) women would give up something in their lives — such as going out to dinner, using their cell phone, or even having sex for an entire year — for a better-dressed partner.

They prefer the gentleman, not the officer: Close to two-thirds (63 percent) of women find a man in a suit more attractive than one in uniform, putting to rest the classic belief that men in uniform are the ultimate sex symbols.

Study Reveals Clothes DO Make the Man Sexier, Smarter, and More Successful
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We need to discuss the term modesty before we define standarts fur church or for everywhere else.
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Did you read my first post in this thread? Or any of them? Funny how we can discuss all of the following “before having discussed the term modesty”:

“What about women breastfeeding?”
“What about women used to not show their ankles?”
“What about men in suits are sexy?”
“What about the cultural norms?”
“What about the availability of clothing?”
 
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Yes, I read your posts. I still think you missed the real issue, which is, in my eyes, not a “problem” of false dressing women in mass.
 
I’ve noticed lately that modesty seems to be making a comeback in fashion trends, with the layering and such that is in style right now. I hope that it continues! I feel like modesty should make a comeback for everyday life, not just in mass. But like other people have pointed out, modesty can be subjective. I have a feeling that some posters here have a standard that is much higher than the average persons. You can be dressed modestly while still having the shape of your figure be evident, you can be modest while also having bare arms, or with a skirt a few inches above the knee. Immodest to most people in western society is lots of cleavage, midriff showing, transparent clothing, or painted-on tightness of clothing. If we are talking about things beyond this, I wonder if the men who are frequently scandalized have problems outside of mass as well with staring at women and being tempted? I personally see way more “irreverent” dress in mass than immodest dress, and it is shared equally between men and women. Things like jean shorts and sports apparel being worn, etc.
 
I saw you wearing sneakers to Mass three weeks ago, Spyridon. What’s up with that? You could have, at least, had the decency to wear Nikes.

(Seriously though, I really like Father Tregillio. He did a great job on Web of Faith with Fr. Levis years back.)
 
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I doubt this. Have you an argument for this? I see nothing nothing similar in all culutures of the world regarding modesty.
The decadence point…well…every generation thinks their society is falling down. I´ve read this in scripture 700 BCE, I´ve read this yesterday on twitter. The world is still the same.
 
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There is no piece of cloth that symbolize modesty by itself without the person wearing it. We should stop discussing pieces of cloth. The answer to “is this modest” will always be “it depends”.
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There are certainly pieces of garb that will always be immodest when worn. A string bikini is an example.
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I have a huge problem with men who are sooooo disturbed by women “leading them to sinful thoughts with their dress”.
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I’ve always been surprised at women who dress extremely provocatively yet are then angered by the attention they attract when addressed in that manner. It would be laughable were it not so terribly sad.

What’s truly ridiculous however are those (largely women it seems) who feel no matter how provocatively/immodestly/inappropriately they dress, and no matter where they dress in this manner, they don’t share in sin should their manner of dress bring impure thoughts to others.

That’s SMH ridiculous.
 
There is a amazonas tribe where women only wear a red band on their hips and body marks. It would be immodest not to wear it. I don´t know how they think of bikinis, but their custom speek for itself.

I don´t care if a man is attracted by a clothing style of mine I won´t consider immodest. Sadly, this type of men tends to act their dislaike oot in constant annoying comments up to sexual violence.
 
The more a person tries to “share” the blame for the sin of lust– the more the person becomes enslaved/chained to the sin of lust.

We should all be praying – priests and laity alike – for the Grace/ to open our hearts/mind and soul – to cleanse us from within – to see Christ in our neighbor.
 
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I can agree with that, and I feel like western society as a whole cheapens women instead of teaching self respect/value in modesty. Bu some of these posts come across as the opposite extreme, like people of the Muslim world saying fully dressed western women are “walking around half naked”. Most women do dress tastefully for mass. You don’t have to be wearing a tent to be modest, you can be in style and it can still be apparent that you have a womanly shape.
 
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