Two Hardcore Videoed EWTN Homilies on How to Dress/Act for Mass

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The comments on this thread give me greater appreciation for what many pastors face in their parishes. Particularly when inappropriate dress for Mass is something that has long been institutionalized at their parish
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There are comments on this thread that exemplify the divisive, uncharitable, insulting, attack if the chatter doesn’t agree , Extremely Non catholic kingdom of the world.

We are striving to live the Kingdom of God on earth.

There are attacks on this thread leave me totally grieved and dismayed for the future of CAF and united Catholicism, as a community.

And sure let’s talk about the lack of modesty of men in their dress and attitude.

Modesty is not about showing a bulge in your dress pants or cleavage, it’s about

Blessed are those who are meek in spirit,

Blessed are those who are poor in spirit

Blessed are the peacemakers.
 
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Talk about “projecting”, you’re doing it right there. Sad indeed.
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Comments that are insulting, divisive , incredibly uncharitable
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This thread is remarkably illuminating.
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Remarkably illuminating.

Is this really what we want the outside world to see the Catholic community as?

Are we not the Communion of Saints?
 
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Lets take a look at how lust is described below: Subordinate others/subjugate them/humiliating them/etc. This is a language of violence.
Lust tends to subordinate others to our will, subjugating them and humiliating them by treating them as objects. A father’s love, however, offers itself, asking nothing in return. But to attain to this, one must teach the body self-control. Chastity is, therefore, a constant effort to subject the body entirely to the aspirations of the soul. Each human being’s body is always subject to a spirit: either to the Holy Spirit, or to the spirit ‘of this world’.
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Lust tends to subordinate others to our will, subjugating them and humiliating them by treating them as objects
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Whiiiiiiich is just another reason to dress modestly. And before you misconstrue that as condoning lust, let me remind you again what the catechism says:
Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.
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As women and men of the Catholic Community and the Communion of Saints, surely there is another way,

Rather then finger pointing and accusing if something about the opposite sex causes fleeting lust.

Eyes down, closed, hands together , pray,

Ears open, listen to the Liturgy.
 
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Rather then finger pointing and accusing
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Whoa, whoa, that language is a bit divisive. Let’s take a step back and have a civil conversation. I’ll begin: which part of which homily do you disagree with?
 
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I see – a person does violence (through lust) to another – and blames the one he/she was violent to.

Reminds me of those who blame women for being raped. It was the short skirt etc.
 
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You are way out of line. I’m not sure how many times it has to be repeated that no one is excusing a man who lusts. He is guilty of lust. I and others have said that over and over again. It’s a given. This is so obvious, in fact, that you are starting to come across as disingenuous when you make comments like this.

You misconstrued it as condoning lust, just as I predicted 3 posts up.
 
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I wonder if one of the moderators should pop in…
The tone here is appalling.
Edit: this post wasn’t directed at you Walking_Home. I clicked on the wrong reply button and can’t undo it.
 
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Well – lets look at how similar the meaning of the language describing lust is to the language describing rape. In one it is a physical act of violence – the other act of violence through lust.
Lust tends to subordinate others to our will, subjugating them and humiliating them by treating them as objects.
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  1. Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them.
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??? Who is condoning these things? We’re so obviously not on the same page. @Walking_Home, which part of which homily do you disagree with?
 
You know, if I were contemplating converting to Catholicism, the tone here would have scared me away.
 
How should we dress to church? Let’s look at how Christ and his disciples dressed. Oh yes, they wore old cloaks. Go into church dressed like they did and people would look at you like you were a bum.
 
Here is the thing – once lust enters/becomes embedded in a persons heart/mind/soul – that person will see others through the eyes of lust. It won’t matter if the other person wears long skirts/shorts/long sleeves/short sleeves/etc. Lust drives how we look at another person.
 
I think the forum was a bit more charitable and civil when it was more actively moderated. The catechism will do a much better job of expressing the truth on this topic than this thread can accomplish, as the forum community is composed of a very diverse bunch of folks. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is one of our great blessings as Catholics and followers of Christ.
 
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Here’s another thing – dressing in such a way as to incite lust, or having complete disregard as to such, is a terrible thing. Culpability is commensurate to knowledge and intent, of course.
 
Not to sound divisive or anything but honestlyyyyy, leave modesty talks to the women, especially women who know the current struggles women are facing. Guys always try their best and may mean well, but they always end up sounding tone deaf.
 
Hmm – kinda like what a person would use/used to use in defense of rape.
 
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