Two more cardinals back Communion for divorced and remarried

[gus]

Well! That is troubling indeed. It makes little sense to me to prevent divorced and re-married couples from having access to a sacrament which reconciles them back to Him…

but that’s why I am in sales and not in management.

And that’s why I conform my views to what Christ has bound and loosed, not to my own personal palates.

In order to complete your reconciliation ,it’s incumbunt on the penitent to make an effort to not sin,or avoid sin. A co-habitating couple except in extraordinary circumstanstces has no intent to fufill their part of the covenant,therefore they could never receive absolution.
That’s true of any mortal sin,reconciliation is not some ritual where the priest says some magic words and you are forgiven.
Reducing this sacrament is a direct attack on the Eucharist.

There is an element in the Church whose objective is its destruction.
This Pope to this point has avoided acting ex-cathedral. If he ever does the Church will go into schism. Events are very troubling.

 

[Seraphim73]

I will say some of the hyperventilation over this issue is pretty funny. Allowing some remarried Catholics back to Communion wouldn’t lead to extending that to every mortal sin or to the Church collapsing or to gay marriage or any of the other scary things people are predicting. Or at least there’s no reason it should. And if it did that would point to some deeper flaw in your Church.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Well! That is troubling indeed. It makes little sense to me to prevent divorced and re-married couples from having access to a sacrament which reconciles them back to Him…

but that’s why I am in sales and not in management.

And that’s why I conform my views to what Christ has bound and loosed, not to my own personal palates.

I just want to make sure I understand. Are you saying you’re selling something that is indeed troubling and makes little sense to you? If you were a car salesman and management told you to sell a car that troubled you, you would?

 

[jessebar]

I will say some of the hyperventilation over this issue is pretty funny. Allowing some remarried Catholics back to Communion wouldn’t lead to extending that to every mortal sin or to the Church collapsing or to gay marriage or any of the other scary things people are predicting. Or at least there’s no reason it should. And if it did that would point to some deeper flaw in your Church.

There is no flaw in the One True Church established by Jesus Christ…the flaw is with those who want to redefine mortal sin and have it accepted somehow. Charity requires faithful Catholics to save fellow humans from eating and drinking condemnation to themselves. Wow, how did Catholics become so ignorant of their Faith?

 

[OraLabora]

The divorced and remarried do indeed have recourse to the sacrament of reconciliation, but they must not fornicate any more.

Good luck with getting compliance with that. For me it would take years of training, and without Confession I’m not sure I could manage that.

 

[muffindell]

'the innocent party in a divorce the Catechism says,

2386 It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage.

Thus, the innocent spouse in a marital break-up has the same possibility to receive Communion as other Catholics, with the usual conditions (being free from mortal sin in other areas of life, going to Confession if not, Eucharistic fast and so on).’

So, all of us that were faithful in our marriage and didn’t cause the break up are okay to receive holy communion and remarry because 2386 says we are innocent yippeee However, before we get too happy there will be another statement (I’m sure someone else will be keen to point this out) that again excludes us from holy communion and condemns our new marriage as a sin This is a church that says everyone is welcome, but don’t expect to be included! This is the church that unconditional forgiveness doesn’t exist. It manipulates text to serve it’s own purpose. For every piece of text in the bible there will be another that contradicts it!
God bless our Pope, he’s doing whats best for his flock. Shame on the Bishops for being so out of touch with it’s people.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

In order to complete your reconciliation ,it’s incumbunt on the penitent to make an effort to not sin,or avoid sin. A co-habitating couple except in extraordinary circumstanstces has no intent to fufill their part of the covenant,therefore they could never receive absolution.
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Sadly, in the UK around forty percent of marriages end in divorce, why would they even want to come into the church under these conditions?

 

[Burdock]

'the innocent party in a divorce the Catechism says,

2386 It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage.

Thus, the innocent spouse in a marital break-up has the same possibility to receive Communion as other Catholics, with the usual conditions (being free from mortal sin in other areas of life, going to Confession if not, Eucharistic fast and so on).’

So, all of us that were faithful in our marriage and didn’t cause the break up are okay to receive holy communion and remarry because 2386 says we are innocent yippeee However, before we get too happy there will be another statement (I’m sure someone else will be keen to point this out) that again excludes us from holy communion and condemns our new marriage as a sin This is a church that says everyone is welcome, but don’t expect to be included! This is the church that unconditional forgiveness doesn’t exist. It manipulates text to serve it’s own purpose. For every piece of text in the bible there will be another that contradicts it!
God bless our Pope, he’s doing whats best for his flock. Shame on the Bishops for being so out of touch with it’s people.

 

[Burdock]

'the innocent party in a divorce the Catechism says,

2386 It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage.

Thus, the innocent spouse in a marital break-up has the same possibility to receive Communion as other Catholics, with the usual conditions (being free from mortal sin in other areas of life, going to Confession if not, Eucharistic fast and so on).’

So, all of us that were faithful in our marriage and didn’t cause the break up are okay to receive holy communion and remarry becausey 2386 says we are innocent yippeee However, before we get too happy there will be another statement (I’m sure someone else will be keen to point this out) that again excludes us from holy communion and condemns our new marriage as a sin This is a church that says everyone is welcome, but don’t expect to be included! This is the church that unconditional forgiveness doesn’t exist. It manipulates text to serve it’s own purpose. For every piece of text in the bible there will be another that contradicts it!
God bless our Pope, he’s doing whats best for his flock. Shame on the Bishops for being so out of touch with it’s people.

 

[Burdock]

I agree with muffindell, the innocent party should be allowed to recieve the eucharist if c they remarry, they were faithful c in the first marriage, why should they be made to suffer.The cardinals are out of touch. I cant stay in such a church, ive stayed c 3 yrs, I will go back b to my previous church.

 

[Burdock]

I agree with muffindell, the innocent party should be allowed to recieve the eucharist if c they remarry, they were faithful c in the first marriage, why should they be made to suffer.The cardinals are out of touch. I cant stay in such a church, ive stayed c 3 yrs, I will go back b to my previous church.

 

[One_point]

'the innocent party in a divorce the Catechism says,

2386 It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage.

Thus, the innocent spouse in a marital break-up has the same possibility to receive Communion as other Catholics, with the usual conditions (being free from mortal sin in other areas of life, going to Confession if not, Eucharistic fast and so on).’

So, all of us that were faithful in our marriage and didn’t cause the break up are okay to receive holy communion and remarry because 2386 says we are innocent yippeee However, before we get too happy there will be another statement (I’m sure someone else will be keen to point this out) that again excludes us from holy communion and condemns our new marriage as a sin This is a church that says everyone is welcome, but don’t expect to be included! This is the church that unconditional forgiveness doesn’t exist. It manipulates text to serve it’s own purpose. For every piece of text in the bible there will be another that contradicts it!
God bless our Pope, he’s doing whats best for his flock. Shame on the Bishops for being so out of touch with it’s people.

Nowhere does the catechism say adultery of the other spouse gives the innocent spouse a right to remarry. They have a right to approach the Eucharist because they are not responsible for divorce (which is a sin) it the sin of the other guilty spouse. But if they remarry they will also commit the sin of adultery. so talking remarriage that’s missing the point. the point of forbisdding communion as the Pope says often is not to punish the divorced and remarried. the reason people cant remarry is because they have a husband and wife already in the eyes of God and the Church. They are not single until the spouse dies/annulment. if the church allowed them to remarry it might as well allow polygamy.

 

[Burdock]

Its ridiculous, why should the innocent party be condemned to a life of celibacy because c their spouse committed adultery.The church needs more compassion.These debates just go round in circles

 

[One_point]

Its ridiculous, why should the innocent party be condemned to a life of celibacy because c their spouse committed adultery.The church needs more compassion.These debates just go round in circles

Celibacy is not a prison sentence. its not a condemnation. many people find themselves in situations they did not choose like illness or gay people who cannot marry.

 

[Burdock]

But if they want to remarry they should be able to in this type of case, the church is too rigid, each case is different, as ive said before things are not always black and white. There are many catholics who are disappointed with the recent decision.

 

[One_point]

But if they want to remarry they should be able to in this type of case, the church is too rigid, each case is different, as ive said before things are not always black and white. There are many catholics who are disappointed with the recent decision.

If a married man wants to marry another wife he should be able to? Jesus acknowledged it is a hard teaching. but do you trust him?

 

[Burdock]

Disappointed

 

[PRmerger]

Disappointed

Could you address One point’s argument?

 

[Brandall]

Sadly, in the UK around forty percent of marriages end in divorce, why would they even want to come into the church under these conditions?

Wonder what percent of those divorces were first marriage divorces. In the United States, it has been estimated that 40-50 percent of marriages end in divorce. However, one group did a further study and found that the rate of divorce for first marriages was around 30%.

 

[PRmerger]

Its ridiculous, why should the innocent party be condemned to a life of celibacy because c their spouse committed adultery.

Because that’s what Jesus commanded.

And because the innocent party is already/still married.

The church needs more compassion.

What you are actually saying is that Jesus needs more compassion. For the Church is only proclaiming that which Jesus proclaimed.