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Of course, young people can declare themselves unaffiliated today, yet be fervent, spirit-filled Catholics tomorrow…
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Seraphim73
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How would the Spirit contradict Himself? St Paul makes an exception and so can Paul’s successors. No contradiction at all.
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Seraphim73
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Well that’s one of the problems with an all celibate priesthood. But that’s another thread. Either way a blanket statement from an anonymous person on the internet is quite different from the intimate knowledge a pastor has no?
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Seraphim73
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Lol okay.Oh, believe me. There was willingness. And ability.
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PRmerger
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Would your pastor have to have been divorced and re-married in order to make a proper discernment for the couple?
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Seraphim73
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No but the fact that he is married and has touched a woman in his life certainly helps.
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Brendan
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No, the bishops are sucessors of the Apostles, so they can do what Apostoles can do of their own authority.
That is distinct from being an inspired Evangelist of Scripture.
That authority was not passed down as a perpetual Office. If it was there would have been a continous body of new Scripture.
That is not the Catholic position, nor the Orthodox one. I think you do not even understand your own professed faith, let alone the Catholic one.
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That’s a curious and arbitrary line you’ve drawn.No but the fact that he is married and has touched a woman in his life certainly helps.
It’s based on, what, exactly?
What if the woman had been cheated on by her first husband? Does the pastor have to have experienced this in order to make a proper discernment?
What if the couple has children? Does the pastor have to have children as well in order to make a proper discernment? What if his children are babies but the couple’s are teens? What if they’re boys and the couple’s are girls?
What if the couple are Muslim converts to Christianity? Does the pastor have to have experienced a conversion from Islam in order to make a proper discernment?
I am really curious how you have come to the conclusion that it helps to be [fill in the blank] in order to make a proper assessment.
And I am curious if you believe that a person who was molested as a child ought to only see a counselor who was also molested as a child?
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PRmerger
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Egg-zactly.
The Catholic Church views only the Sacred Scriptures (and therefore the writers of Sacred Scripture) as divinely inspired. As theopneustos. God-breathed.
We speak of Sacred Tradition, while also the Word of God, as being assisted by the Holy Spirit. But not divinely inspired.
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Brendan
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And Sacred Tradition, like Sacred Scripture, is unalterable. It is given to the Church as an unchanging treasure. It might be come clearer as ages past, but it can never contradict itself nor Scripture.
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FollowChrist34
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EndgameNo but the fact that he is married and has touched a woman in his life certainly helps.
A PLAY IN ONE ACT
By Samuel Beckett
CLOV (fixed gaze, tonelessly): Finished, it’s finished, nearly finished, it must be nearly finished. (Pause.) Grain upon grain, one by one, and one day, suddenly, there’s a heap, a little heap, the impossible heap. (Pause.) I can’t be punished any more. (Pause.) I’ll go now to my kitchen, ten feet by ten feet by ten feet, and wait for him to whistle me. (Pause.) Nice dimensions, nice proportions, I’ll lean on the table, and look at the wall, and wait for him to whistle me. (He remains a moment motionless, then goes out. He comes back immediately, goes to window right, takes up the ladder and carries it out. Pause. Hamm stirs. He yawns under the handkerchief. He removes the handkerchief from his face. Very red face. Glasses with black lenses.) HAMM: Me— (he yawns) —to play. (He takes off his glasses, wipes his eyes, his face, the glasses, puts them on again, folds the handkerchief and puts it back neatly in the breast pocket of his dressing gown. He clears his throat, joins the tips of his fingers.) Can there be misery— (he yawns) —loftier than mine? No doubt. Formerly. But now? (Pause.) My father? (Pause.) My mother? (Pause.) My… dog? (Pause.) Oh I am willing to believe they suffer as much as such creatures can suffer. But does that mean their sufferings equal mine? No doubt. (Pause.) No, all is a— (he yawns) —bsolute, (proudly) the bigger a man is the fuller he is. (Pause. Gloomily.) And the emptier. (He sniffs.) Clov! (Pause.) No, alone. (Pause.) What dreams! Those forests! (Pause.) Enough, it’s time it ended, in the shelter, too. (Pause.) And yet I hesitate, I hesitate to… to end. Yes, there it is, it’s time it ended and yet I hesitate to— (He yawns.) —to end. (Yawns.) God, I’m tired, I’d be better off in bed. (He whistles. Enter Clov immediately. He halts beside the chair.) You pollute the air! (Pause.) Get me ready, I’m going to bed. CLOV: I’ve just got you up. HAMM: And what of it? CLOV: I can’t be getting you up and putting you to bed every five minutes, I have things to do. (Pause.) HAMM: Did you ever see my eyes? CLOV: No. HAMM: Did you never have the curiosity, while I was sleeping, to take off my glasses and look at my eyes? CLOV: Pulling back the lids? (Pause.) No. HAMM: One of these days I’ll show them to you. (Pause.) It seems they’ve gone all white. (Pause.) What time is it? CLOV: The same as usual. HAMM (gesture towards window right): Have you looked? CLOV: Yes. HAMM: Well? CLOV: Zero. HAMM: It’d need to rain. CLOV: It won’t rain. (Pause.) HAMM: Apart from that, how do you feel? CLOV: I don’t complain. HAMM: You feel normal? CLOV (irritably): I tell you I don’t complain. HAMM: I feel a little strange. (Pause.) Clov! CLOV: Yes. HAMM: Have you not had enough? CLOV: Yes! (Pause.) Of what? HAMM: Of this… this… thing. CLOV: I always had. (Pause.) Not you? HAMM (gloomily): Then there’s no reason for it to change. CLOV: It may end. (Pause.) All life long the same questions, the same answers. HAMM: Get me ready. (Clov does not move.) Go and get the sheet. (Clov does not move.) Clov! CLOV: Yes. HAMM: I’ll give you nothing more to eat. CLOV: Then we’ll die. HAMM: I’ll give you just enough to keep you from dying. You’ll be hungry all the time. CLOV: Then we won’t die. (Pause.) I’ll go and get the sheet. (He goes towards the door.) HAMM: No! (Clov halts.) I’ll give you one biscuit per day. (Pause.) One and a half. (Pause.) Why do you stay with me? CLOV: Why do you keep me? HAMM: There’s no one else. CLOV: There’s nowhere else. (Pause.) HAMM: You’re leaving me all the same. CLOV: I’m trying. HAMM: You don’t love me. CLOV: No. HAMM: You loved me once. CLOV: Once! HAMM: I’ve made you suffer too much. (Pause.) Haven’t I? CLOV: It’s not that. HAMM: I haven’t made you suffer too much? CLOV: Yes! HAMM (relieved): Ah, you gave me a fright! (Pause. Coldly) Forgive me. (Pause. Louder.) I said, Forgive me. CLOV: I heard you. (Pause.) Have you bled? HAMM: Less. (Pause.) Is it not time for my pain-killer? CLOV: No. (Pause.)
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Brendan
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Yes, but no level of intimate knowledge can give a pastor authority over the teachings of Christ.
If that were so, a pastor with ’ intimate knowledge’ of how hard it was for the parish teens to wake up for Sunday Liturgy could use coffee instead of wine for the Consecration.
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OraLabora
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The best marital advice my wife and I ever had came from a celibate Benedictine monk
And the way he did that was by being a great listener. Better than any advice I ever got from a “therapist” (and putting to lie that celibate priests cannot offer advice to married couples).
There’s no shortage of help in the Church if one asks for it. But like anything in life it requires that we do our part too (like… look for it!).
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PRmerger
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Indeed.The best marital advice my wife and I ever had came from a celibate Benedictine monk
And the way he did that was by being a great listener. Better than any advice I ever got from a “therapist” (and putting to lie that celibate priests cannot offer advice to married couples).
There’s no shortage of help in the Church if one asks for it. But like anything in life it requires that we do our part too (like… look for it!).
My obstetrician didn’t have a uterus, either.
It was not required in order to assist me.
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FollowChrist34
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:choocho::clapping:Indeed.
My obstetrician didn’t have a uterus, either.
It was not required in order to assist me.
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Seraphim73
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I do laugh when people tell me I don’t know what I believe. Either way you say St Paul made the exception of the Pauline Privilege in his authority as a writer of Scripture and not as an Apostle? So the Apostles who didn’t write Scripture were not empowered to make that exception? There were subservient to St Paul?
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Seraphim73
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That’s not possible but surely you can see experience in marriage certainly helps a person give advice about marriage. Do you have any friends who have never been married? If so what would you think if they gave you advice on your marriage?
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Seraphim73
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Being married is not a arbitrary line to give advice to the married. It’s a rational and logical conclusion that most people would agree with outside of a religious discussion.
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Brendan
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Your implication was that you saw no difference between the authority granted to the Apostles and the authority granted to an Evangelist.
If that was mistaken, please clarify if you see those roles as identical or not.
That is correct.
That is also correct
Subservience does not follow from that. Are all Christians not expected to follow the Revealed Word of God? I would claim, that yes, they do.
And does that Word depend of the authority of God, or the authority of the one who wrote it.
I would claim that it resides upon the authority of God.
And thus there is no l;ogical implication that St. Paul has, of his own, authority over the other Apostles.
If you dispute the claims that I made, please indicate which, and why
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