Two Priests now going at it in wake of Hannity Scandal

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fr. euteneuer is the man:
As a seminary rector, I would sincerely hope that you are not teaching by word or example the young men in your charge to be politically correct sissies who are afraid to roll up their sleeves and defend the Church in private and in public. We have tons of those types in the clergy already. I would advise you to drink deeply of the wisdom of the Number Two man at our Headquarters who has in no uncertain terms told all of us that high profile dissenters are a scourge and a danger to souls.
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why are there so few solid courageous orthodox priests and bishops? why are there so many sissified politically correct wimps?
 
Why?

Because they have been very cleverly manipulated by the Devil into feeling that God’s ‘mercy’ (which is indeed a real, true, and glorious gift of God) means that one cannot speak ‘judgingly’ against other people. That, indeed, God’s forgiveness is such that no one is ever ‘really’ guilty of sin except the sin of intolerance. That we are beyond the medieval themes of justice and that only by bleating platitudes like “If your conscience says you may, then you may, God understands” are they showing real love.

Of course, the dangerous part of this is the grain of truth that Satan has cleverly packaged --God is indeed merciful and this mercy is a part of what we humans are drawn to in God–has been elevated not to ‘part of God’ but instead is idolatrously seen as ‘all’ of God. Justice has been jettisoned, and thus our perception of God is totally unbalanced and therefore not a real perception.

This ‘god’ is the idol that so many Christians worship today, many thinking it is ‘really’ God, not seeing it as instead a cleverly made image of ourselves, reflecting the virtue that really we are weakest in today and artificially inflating it until it has indeed become the vice of indifferentism, disguised as ‘tolerance’.
 
Unfortunately Sean Hannity represents a vast majority of Catholics in this country in that he picks and chooses what he finds acceptable and brushes over or rejects other teachings and doctrines which he does not find acceptable.

The Catholic faithful in America, including certain religious and clergy even with advanced ministerial and theological degrees, are in dire need of effective, meaningful, and life-transforming catechesis.

Post-modern Western culture is increasingly at odds and alienated from the Church which has often become the favorite pillory for everything deemed politically objectionable. Why just last evening, Anderson Cooper featured an MTV-like “documentary” on priestly sexual abuse and molestation where words like “sin” “hell” “shame” flashed up on the screen aside and behind the victims as they gave their accounts. Not to excuse sexual abuse whether it be by clergy, religious, or laypersons, but there is no denying the acute motivation behind such a public expose on behalf of CNN (and others).

Now more than ever we need to come together boldly as Catholic faithful and express and present our faith for what it truly is, and not side-step things others find controversial or objectionable for the sake of political correctness.

Kudos to Fr. Euteneuer!
 
AKG said:
Unfortunately Sean Hannity represents a vast majority of Catholics in this country in that he picks and chooses what he finds acceptable and brushes over or rejects other teachings and doctrines which he does not find acceptable.
Kudos to Fr. Euteneuer!
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Agree, and I’m grateful that Fr. E stood up to Hannity. I do wish that Father would not have said, “I expect him (Sean) not to be a public heretic”. After that point, Father was debating Sean’s pride more than Sean’s intellect or reason. However, there is probably no debate technique that would have caused Sean to publicly recant. :rolleyes:
 
I read Father Euteneuer’s excellent refutation of Father Morris over at renewamerica.us/columns/abbott/070312

Now while I think that Father Morris handled this situation very badly I think its TERRIBLE for Matt Abbott to calumnize the Legionaries of Christ by the following quote: The saga continues. In the latest development, Fox News analyst Father Jonathan Morris, a priest with the Legionaries of Christ — whose founder, Father Marcial Maciel, had multiple accusations of sexual abuse made against him and was disciplined by the Vatican —
 
” May I also point out that you did not employ with me the same standard of “fraternal correction” that you expected me to employ with Mr. Hannity. I at least made the attempt to speak to him about this issue in private without success; you, in contrast, went immediately to the internet to take me to task. I do not intend to understand your motives; I can only evaluate what I see in your actions.
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Father E is in no way the man. I am growing in dislike for him as time progresses and the more I read him. He comes across, to me, with his nose in the air. I can’t understand this whole situation.

Did he not read Father Jonathan’s letter, it started;
Dear Sean,
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Spence06 said:
Father E is in no way the man. I am growing in dislike for him as time progresses and the more I read him. He comes across, to me, with his nose in the air. I can’t understand this whole situation.

Did he not read Father Jonathan’s letter, it started;
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and who are you to decide what makes a man A MAN??
 
Spence06 said:
Father E is in no way the man. I am growing in dislike for him as time progresses and the more I read him. He comes across, to me, with his nose in the air. I can’t understand this whole situation.

Did he not read Father Jonathan’s letter, it started;
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had to check to see who posted this… thought it was Sean Hannity … :rolleyes:
 
childofmary1143 said:
and who are you to decide what makes a man A MAN??
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As I am referring the Post from Dee Dee who stated, he is the man, and I said he is no way the man. I am not saying hes not a man? I am not attacking him or the Truth he speaks or want to insult Father E. But if you say a person, “is the man”, meaning hes the best of the best, I would disagree with that, personally.
 
Dee_Dee_King said:
fr. euteneuer is the man:why are there so few solid courageous orthodox priests and bishops? why are there so many sissified politically correct wimps?
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I loved the quote you posted Dee. You beat me to it!
 
There is a time for doctrine, and a time for pastoral care. Our job is not to condemn, our job is to save souls. No one’s mind or soul is being transformed here, everyone digs their heels in deeper.

As much as I agree with the Church doctrine, this public display reminds no one of Christ if we are trrying to establish an example of a different life. Why this has to be dredged through the public media is beyond me, there is no way anything productive comes of it.

History shows that when the Church uses the tools of the world’s kingdom, it becomes as ineffectual, or as tyrannical, as any other power structure. And whenever the Church has intermingled with the state, the appeal of our Faith suffers as well. Our respect in the world declines in proportion to how vigorously we attempt to force others to adopt our point of view.
 
awalt said:
There is a time for doctrine, and a time for pastoral care. Our job is not to condemn, our job is to save souls. No one’s mind or soul is being transformed here, everyone digs their heels in deeper.
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I think that Fr E was right and had an obligation to publicly correct him. Now, the hope is Hannity’s own pastor has been catechizing him all these years and also has been telling him to stop causing public scandal.
 
Both priests should be able to speak their mind…now they both have a different approach but both valid.
 
aimee said:
Both priests should be able to speak their mind…now they both have a different approach but both valid.
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I agree but not in the public media. Nothing productive toward our Christian mission will come of this.
 
awalt said:
I agree but not in the public media. Nothing productive toward our Christian mission will come of this.
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I disagree – The whole blogosphere is talking about this issue now during the season of lent when we are all supposed to repent.

If this issue just gets one more person to take a second look at their soul and go to confession during lent, then it was well worth it.

I think Fr. E’s original intent with the interview was to get this issue into the blogosphere’s!
 
Here’s Fr. Euteneuer’s letter in reply to Fr. Morris…
Dear Father Jonathan,

Your letter to Sean Hannity indicates that you did not know that I asked to speak to him in private about this matter in 2004 otherwise you may have tempered your remarks about my supposed lack of charity in dealing with a high profile Catholic who dissents from clearly-defined and reiterated Church teachings. [See “http://www.hli.org/article_fr_tom_requests_meeting_with_hannity.html”]Fr. Euteneuer asks to meet with Hannity about birth control” on sidebar.] You also seemed to be unaware of the fact that Sean was the one who invited me on his program and who then promptly “[threw] civility to the wind,” refused to display “cultivated intelligence” on the issues and jeopardized another person’s “reputation and dignity.” May I also point out that you did not employ with me the same standard of “fraternal correction” that you expected me to employ with Mr. Hannity. I at least made the attempt to speak to him about this issue in private without success; you, in contrast, went immediately to the internet to take me to task. I do not intend to understand your motives; I can only evaluate what I see in your actions.

The question that comes to mind is an obvious one: if you are a Fox analyst on Catholic matters, wouldn’t you have been the one to have had those “private conversations” on birth control with Mr. Hannity? How about discussions on his abortion exceptions? When you told Sean “in person” that you “disagreed with him,” was it on the issue of birth control? If you had done that, I applaud you, but your powers of persuasion may need a little honing—Sean has only gotten more vocal on this issue over time. If you did not speak to him about his public dissent, then I ask you, “Why?” While we are on the subject, have you also analyzed and disagreed with Bill O’Reilly’s perfectly horrible disdain for the Holy Father and the Church that you represent?

The church sex abuse scandal was not just about homosexual and predatory priests. It was about clerical negligence and silence on issues that not only affect people’s souls but also ruin people’s lives. It is highly unusual that you or anyone else would want a priest to be silent on issues that affect the salvation of souls. We used to recognize “admonishing the sinner” as one of the Spiritual Works of Mercy, and I consider my admonishment of Mr. Hannity to have been done in that spirit. I might also add that in doing so I have fulfilled my duty as a priest which is a requirement for *my *salvation.

As a seminary rector, I would sincerely hope that you are not teaching by word or example the young men in your charge to be politically correct sissies who are afraid to roll up their sleeves and defend the Church in private and in public. We have tons of those types in the clergy already. I would advise you to drink deeply of the wisdom of the Number Two man at our Headquarters who has in no uncertain terms told all of us that high profile dissenters are a scourge and a danger to souls. [See item: “Bertone: Dissident Catholics More Worrying Than Atheists.”

lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jan/07011003.html.]

I wish you fraternal blessings for your priestly work.

Sincerely,

Rev. Thomas J. Euteneuer
President
Human Life International

hli.org/article_open_letter_to_fr_morris.html
 
PLAL said:
May I also point out that you did not employ with me the same standard of “fraternal correction” that you expected me to employ with Mr. Hannity. I at least made the attempt to speak to him about this issue in private without success; you, in contrast, went immediately to the internet to take me to task. I do not intend to understand your motives; I can only evaluate what I see in your actions.

The question that comes to mind is an obvious one: if you are a Fox analyst on Catholic matters, wouldn’t you have been the one to have had those “private conversations” on birth control with Mr. Hannity? How about discussions on his abortion exceptions? When you told Sean “in person” that you “disagreed with him,” was it on the issue of birth control? If you had done that, I applaud you, but your powers of persuasion may need a little honing—Sean has only gotten more vocal on this issue over time. If you did not speak to him about his public dissent, then I ask you, “Why?” While we are on the subject, have you also analyzed and disagreed with Bill O’Reilly’s perfectly horrible disdain for the Holy Father and the Church that you represent?
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We need more priests like Fr. E.
 
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