Two women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior

[CMatt25]

Unlikely, but possible Cain unaware of settlement

Parsing words and saying one thing and then another seems to be a forte of Cain’s.

First he is going to put up a fence with electric wiring and a sign on it saying this can kill you.

Then he was joking.

Then we had his days of discourse on the issue of abortion.

And now he says things like he doesn’t “recall” or in his “opinion”, and that harassment is in the eyes of the beholder.

And while he was unaware of a settlement, he knew there was an agreement.

businessinsider.com/cain-keeps-harassment-scandal-alive-does-not-recall-if-he-invited-woman-to-his-room-2011-10

All of this and a campaign ad with a fellow smoking and Cain cracking a delayed smile might play well with a minority of the voting public. Far right wing conservative voters, the anti Romney crowd, or Tea Party types, or those who like to blame everything on the so called liberal media. But I have serious reservations if enough of the American electorate would consider this guy serious Presidential timber in a general election in 2012.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

I heard he also killed Abel…

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I heard he also killed Abel…

“Porum Poom…”

“Thank you, thank you”, the Priest says…“I’'ll be here all week.”

Good one, good one!!!:clapping::yup:

 

[_Abyssinia]

Parsing words and saying one thing and then another seems to be a forte of Cain’s.

First he is going to put up a fence with electric wiring and a sign on it saying this can kill you.

Then he was joking.

Then we had his days of discourse on the issue of abortion.

And now he says things like he doesn’t “recall” or in his “opinion”, and that harassment is in the eyes of the beholder.

And while he was unaware of a settlement, he knew there was an agreement.

businessinsider.com/cain-keeps-harassment-scandal-alive-does-not-recall-if-he-invited-woman-to-his-room-2011-10

All of this and a campaign ad with a fellow smoking and Cain cracking a delayed smile might play well with a minority of the voting public. Far right wing conservative voters, the anti Romney crowd, or Tea Party types, or those who like to blame everything on the so called liberal media. But I have serious reservations if enough of the American electorate would consider this guy serious Presidential timber in a general election in 2012.

Your first few statements is actually one of the reasons why people like him, he is not a career politician, he is not polished. There is a dislike right now for politicians on both the Democrat and Republican side. I wouldn’t count Cain out.

Regarding the settlement? Did he lie or contradict himself in the Fox News 11:20am interview I am guessing you are eluding to, or did he mealy not elaborate? There are conflicting accounts on the issue of settlement.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Cain’s troubles help Perry and Romney - National Journal

“Overall, the reactions were quite sympathetic. I counted 23 bloggers who either defended Mr. Cain or harshly critiqued the reporting in the story. There were just 6 bloggers, meanwhile, who took a largely unsympathetic position toward Mr. Cain.” - Nate Silver for the New York Times

 

[_Abyssinia]

Leftist ProPublica Questions Politico’s Decision to Publish Cain Allegations

For those who don’t know, ProPublica (bold is mine) “is an independent, non-profit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest. Our work focuses exclusively on truly important stories, stories with ‘moral force.’ We do this by producing journalism that shines a light on exploitation of the weak by the strong and on the failures of those with power to vindicate the trust placed in them.” It has received predominant funding from the Sandler Foundation (yeah, those Sandlers; Herbert Sandler is Chairman). Other contributors include George Soros’s Open Society Foundations. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. (yeah, him) is also on ProPublica’s board.

Translation: They lean left. Nevertheless, the organization’s Stephen Engelberg (HT Instapundit) questions whether the Politico had enough information on sexual harassment allegations against Herman Cain to publish a story

propublica.org/article/raising-cain-when-is-a-scoop-ready-to-be-published

The hypocrisy of the Politico choosing to run a story based on such thin gruel is in stark contrast to how the press handled at least four other items concerning Democratic presidents and presidential candidates over the last two decades. Besides Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky, which Matt Drudge forced out into the open in January 1998 after Newsweek spiked Michael Isikoff’s story, there are these:

* During the 1992 presidential campaign, particularly during the early primaries, the press, especially the broadcast networks, worked feverishly to suppress Clinton's years-long affair with Gennifer Flowers -- an affair to which Clinton admitted six years later.
* The elite media initially fiercely resisted publishing any information about Clinton's [sexual harassment of Paula Jones](http://spectator.org/archives/2004/06/23/his-cheatin-heart) in an incident which occurred in [May 1991](http://law.gsu.edu/ccunningham/PR/Clinton-Timeline.htm), mere months before Clinton announced his presidential run, when it became known in late 1993. Isikoff, then at the [Washington Post](http://www.nndb.com/people/859/000043730/), "brought the Paula Jones sexual harassment case to his editors ... (and) they refused to run the story." The matter was settled for $850,000 in November 1998.
* More recently, the establishment media had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the National Enquirer into acknowledging [John Edwards's 2006-2007 affair](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards_extramarital_affair#Rielle_Hunter_and_the_Edwards_campaign) with and his fathering of a child out of wedlock by Rielle Hunter -- while the former South Carolina senator's now-deceased wife Elizabeth was fighting cancer. [As I noted in January 2010](http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2010/01/23/wapos-kurtz-cops-out-presss-failure-follow-enquirers-edwards-affair-stor) when Howard Kurtz tried to claim there was "no independent proof" of Edwards's beyond-professional involvement with Hunter at the time of[ the Enquirer's real bombshell](http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/presidential-cheating-scandal-alleged-affair-could-wreck-john-edwards-campaign-bid), there were plenty of clues. Several journalists following Edwards's campaign seemed to have been in a position to obtain more complete proof of the Enquirer's story, but inexplicably dropped the ball.

Each of the four stories involved were far closer to being “nailed down” than Herman Cain’s. That doesn’t matter. Herman Cain is a Republican, conservative, African-American, a threat to the Washington elites of both parties, and a clear and present danger to Barack Obama’s reelection. Thus, the as of now unsubstantiated story about Cain fits the establishment press’s definition of a “bombshell.”

Read more: newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2011/10/31/leftist-propublica-questions-politicos-decision-publish-cain-allegations#ixzz1cRPUwfkd

 

[GaryTaylor]

Simple truth is in America your innocent till found guilty. Same situation I would “assume” most every here would expect…if God forbid you should ever find yourself in a similiar situation.

However, last night Cain spoke on C-Span. It apparent where he stands on Pro-Life. The “confusion” came [and wrongly I might add] when confronted by a reporter about a hypothetical situation of his own granddaughter, which btw was taken way out of context.

He was very clear his stance on Pro-life which is at conception, and that of the founding forefathers, which is Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness. A situation which with “Obama” we don’t even have to “assume”. We clearly knows where he stands, marching to the tune of his attack on life, and religious freedom [since the topic came up]

Cain also stated he was pass “any” bill against abortion which comes in front of him, and insure the Supreme Court justice’s whom he places there will also be in-line with the forefathers clear understanding of “life” as the Bible clearly indicates.

He spoke very clearly and admirable I might add on Racism. Growing up in Atlanta in the 50’s-60’s its apparent he actually understood Dr. Kings “Christian” based message. He invited anyone in America to come along with his group and view his party. Racism is simply an issue which live’s in the mind of some misguided souls in this country. The fact that we walked futher away from equality in America is why???

He spoke clearly on the war situation and fair-trade policy. He stated he would clearly identify the allies of the USA, which btw he mentioned “Israel” and the “enemies” of the USA. Which “btw” isn’t clearly being done by our present admistration. He stated he would actually “listen” to the commanding officers of our military. A grave error not being done today by our present administration. Which cost the live’s of Ten more US-Troops the other day, aside from a soldier from Canada, and Australia. And the simple reason this happened he also clearly identified…

You don’t give your enemy advance notice of your plans in withdrawal, to set up a counter offensive attack at your strong-holds. Which btw is 100% correct. Geez, lets not listen to those who “might” actually know better than you. Again a disaster of this administration [in the exact words our CIA leader]

He ended his speech by singing “Amazing Grace” in public.

He also clarified his 999-plan. Maybe someone else would like speak on this. I have, and in truth, I believe it has potential. I realize the Flat-Tax is being utilized in the Slovic Block with success. Its yet to be determined if it will have a lasting effect. In other words their economys were in very bad condition there. So a slight increase from distaster, while it shows promise, is still a ways from claiming ultimate success.

To conclude he gave a pretty impressive speech last night. Also addressing Dodd and Frank, and this disaster which when Bush realized was a failure tried to correct and was blocked. We then traveled further down the path of disaster through 08 with Obama, Wall-Street etc. Nothing new here I believe Bob gave address to this rather clearly in a different thread on this forum already.

Peace.

 

[A_Catholic]

Cain’s troubles help Perry and Romney - National Journal

I rest my case. This is all about positioning the “real” candidates into positions. It is an illusion that voters have any real choice.

 

[Pirate_Talker]

Wow, so Herman Cain now ranks with the likes of Ted Bundy. No, there’s no attempt to destroy him. I guess the Obama campaign is deathly afraid that their one and only strategy they have available will fail if Cain runs.

Or not…

And what would that one and only strategy be?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Simple truth “is” this race is wide open. America has an opporunity to take this country back and through a Christian canditate who supports Pro-Life and Religious Freedom. With not one candiate but “several”.

Personally IMHO the only candidate who shouldn’t be given a chance is Obama. “Hope and Change” went out the window what 16-days after taking office? His cooperation with Abortion and attack of religious freedom is appauling.

Buddy Roemer even makes a better President IMHO… by far!

Peace

 

[SamH]

And what would that one and only strategy be?

Paint your opponent as a racist. We saw it with Hillary Clinton – even though there were many options available in the primary race Obama sank to the lowest when victory seemed in doubt. Those options are not available today – Obama now has a history that he has to run away from. As he stated in the last presidential race “If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run away from. You make a big election about small things.” As we will see, Obama will try to make this a race about small things.

As pointed out by Sarah Palin, weakness is Obama’s track record. It’s been a record of failure. He’s got a couple of successes thanks to the Navy SEALs. But overall he has failed, especially with economic issues, and in foreign policy. His one “success” is the health care plan that the nation can’t afford and majority do not want.

 

[TMC]

Parsing words and saying one thing and then another seems to be a forte of Cain’s.

First he is going to put up a fence with electric wiring and a sign on it saying this can kill you.

Then he was joking.

Then we had his days of discourse on the issue of abortion.

And now he says things like he doesn’t “recall” or in his “opinion”, and that harassment is in the eyes of the beholder.

And while he was unaware of a settlement, he knew there was an agreement.

businessinsider.com/cain-keeps-harassment-scandal-alive-does-not-recall-if-he-invited-woman-to-his-room-2011-10

All of this and a campaign ad with a fellow smoking and Cain cracking a delayed smile might play well with a minority of the voting public. Far right wing conservative voters, the anti Romney crowd, or Tea Party types, or those who like to blame everything on the so called liberal media. But I have serious reservations if enough of the American electorate would consider this guy serious Presidential timber in a general election in 2012.

I have to agree. What is really bizarre is that it now comes out that Politico gave the Cain campaign 10 days advance notice before running the story. In ten days they were apparently unable to come up with a coherent response to the allegations. Instead the candidate gave three different versions of what happened in the span of 5 or 6 hours. If they can’t deal with a relatively simple issue like this with ten days notice, how is Cain going to handle the pressures of a general election, or, worse yet, handle the pressures of the Presidency?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Instead the candidate gave three different versions of what happened in the span of 5 or 6 hours. ?

Where are they? You have the 3-different versions to link with Cain speaking? I heard “one”.

 

[TMC]

Where are they? You have the 3-different versions to link with Cain speaking? I heard “one”.

I don’t have a link, but I certainly remember each of his statements as he made them during the day yesterday. First he said that he was unaware of any settlements with anyone and said that if there was a settlement he hoped it was not for much money because he didn’t do anything wrong. Later in the day he said that he remembered being accused, that he recused himself of any involvement in the accusations, hat his HR director handled the accusations and that he doesn’t remember or know anything about any settlements. Last night, Cain said that he remembers both women, he remembers the specific allegations made by at least one of the women, that he knew that they reached settlement agreements with them, and that he knew that the amount of the settlements was two or three months salary.

 

[maryjk]

I don’t have a link, but I certainly remember each of his statements as he made them during the day yesterday. First he said that he was unaware of any settlements with anyone and said that if there was a settlement he hoped it was not for much money because he didn’t do anything wrong. Later in the day he said that he remembered being accused, that he recused himself of any involvement in the accusations, hat his HR director handled the accusations and that he doesn’t remember or know anything about any settlements. Last night, Cain said that he remembers both women, he remembers the specific allegations made by at least one of the women, that he knew that they reached settlement agreements with them, and that he knew that the amount of the settlements was two or three months salary.

Could it have been that he learned more about it as the day wore on?

What you are claiming is that he lied the first two times he spoke.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I don’t have a link, but I certainly remember each of his statements as he made them during the day yesterday. First he said that he was unaware of any settlements with anyone and said that if there was a settlement he hoped it was not for much money because he didn’t do anything wrong. Later in the day he said that he remembered being accused, that he recused himself of any involvement in the accusations, hat his HR director handled the accusations and that he doesn’t remember or know anything about any settlements. Last night, Cain said that he remembers both women, he remembers the specific allegations made by at least one of the women, that he knew that they reached settlement agreements with them, and that he knew that the amount of the settlements was two or three months salary.

Ya, it takes me a while and some cajoling for me to remember relatively triffling stuff that happened back in the 90s myself.

 

[ringil]

Well, I guess we’ll see what happens. I have never believe the GOP would choose anyone but Romney but I was sort of hoping for Cain as he is more entertaining, especially that new ad!! It’s got me singing the tea party anthem!!

 

[TMC]

Could it have been that he learned more about it as the day wore on?

What you are claiming is that he lied the first two times he spoke.

Ya, it takes me a while and some cajoling for me to remember relatively triffling stuff that happened back in the 90s myself.

Politico told him about the story ten days before they ran it. So after ten days notice, he “remembered” all these details in a couple of hours on Monday? Either he has a very serious memory problem, or he completely mishandled the situation, or both.

To be clear, I think the allegations themselves are probably nothing. Worse comes up in any successful person’s career, and companies settle allegations like this everyday. The issue I have is with the way he has handled the situation. Why didn’t he come out with the full story right away? It speaks to both his judgment and his integrity, in my opinion.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Politico told him about the story ten days before they ran it. So after ten days notice, he “remembered” all these details in a couple of hours on Monday? Either he has a very serious memory problem, or he completely mishandled the situation, or both.

To be clear, I think the allegations themselves are probably nothing. Worse comes up in any successful person’s career, and companies settle allegations like this everyday. The issue I have is with the way he has handled the situation. Why didn’t he come out with the full story right away? It speaks to both his judgment and his integrity, in my opinion.

Its just “gatcha” politics, IMO. However, that said, it does give us some insight as to how he would handle a relatively minor crisis. How would he handle Iran dropping a nuke on Jerusalem?

 

[maryjk]

Politico told him about the story ten days before they ran it. So after ten days notice, he “remembered” all these details in a couple of hours on Monday? Either he has a very serious memory problem, or he completely mishandled the situation, or both.

Or he didn’t see it as a problem. When the media started their attack, he went back to find out details.

To be clear, I think the allegations themselves are **probably **nothing. Worse comes up in any successful person’s career, and companies settle allegations like this everyday. The issue I have is with the way he has handled the situation. Why didn’t he come out with the full story right away? It speaks to both his judgment and his integrity, in my opinion.

I think they ARE nothing. If a woman feels that she is being sexually harassed, she doesn’t take money to be quiet. If she does, then I don’t take her allegations seriously.