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SamH
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Or make a few phone calls and find out from the NRA what exactly happened.
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Scott_Lafrance
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FRom what I gather, these women were no “harrassed” by Cain. They were in the same room and observed him in a private conversation with another person and he made gestures or said something that “made them feel uncomfortable”. Cain didn’t even know what was going on. An attorney at the Association paid them a settlement to keep it out of the courts, a very frequent happening with big firms like this. Its just a matter of business. Less publicity for a relatively trivial matter and no wasted time and expense with courts. However, they did sign a confidentiality agreement to keep silent on the issue in exchange for the money, so the fact that they didn’t means that they breached the contract and should be liable for damages. I hope the Restaurant Association goes after these two women and any media outlet that encouraged them to breach their contract.
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SamH
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Or when the allegations are proven baseless she’s given severance pay and told her services are no longer needed.
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SamH
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It is pretty common for a departing individual to sign a nondisclosure agreement regarding ALL aspects of their work in order to receive a severance check.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Right, so any disclosure after signing a “Non-Disclosure” is a breach of contract.
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GaryTaylor
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Exactly, truth is, its all the time when someones service is no longer needed. The simple fact the charge’s were bought is really moot without knowing what happened in court. Second of all if he was found guilty he would be on-line registered as a Sexual Offender. Is he?
The fact that the women were let go could simply be due to the problem, then the atmosphere at work they created.
Also…
And there is no 3-links, so there is no 3-different statements until you provide the links. Thats called Hear-Say!
Who knows what one will do under pressure. I already for 3-years seen what Obama did. His statements from the Gulf Spill “alone” were panic ridden,
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_Abyssinia
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I actually think that commentary you responded to might be wrong. Apparently yesterday was one of Cain’s best fundraising days so far.
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Herman Cain interview on the Laura Ingraham radio show, answers questions relating to ‘‘settlements.’’
youtube.com/watch?v=ZP0FeoI_8KE
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On why he said he wasn’t aware of any settlements just hours before saying he was:
@1:05 - *Remember, this happened 12 years ago, and the word ‘settlement’ suggested to me some sort of legal settlement, and later as I thought about it and thought about it I did recall an agreement with the lady that left who made the false accusation. So that’s when I said yes, there was an agreement. But when I was initially hit with this when I woke up yesterday morning trying to stay on focus on my day, I didn’t recall it right away. So yes there was an agreement that I later added to my explanation.
@2:34 - This happened 12 years ago and so I have been trying to recollect all of the various pieces of this throughout all day yesterday and the best account is the one that I did on Greta van Susteren later that evening–not changing the story, but trying to fill in as many details as I could possibly recall.
@2:57 - Laura: The event that took place 12 years ago, did this involve a gesture on your part, an invitation on your part, specifically what did it involve?
Cain: It did not involve an invitation.
@5:07 - Laura: You don’t recall the second event, just the first event?
Cain: I don’t recall the second one. I’m not even aware of it. If it were, maybe it happened after I left. Remember, I was at the Restaurant Association for two and half years. The first lady was there while I was there and she ended up leaving before I left so she was not there a long time. The second one that they’re referring to, I am totally unaware of whether there was some sort of agreement for some reason. If there were I’m totally unaware of it.
@6:09 - Laura: Do you feel that the timing of it is in any way suspicious given your rise in the polls?
Cain: Absolutely Laura…There is no doubt in my mind, no doubt in our mind, that this is because I have done so well in the polls consistently. And the other thing Laura that I would add is, I’m sure that there’s gonna be some more trumped up charges…
@14:00 - Yesterday with the firestorm was one of our best fundraising days online ever, since the campaign started. One of the best ones ever Laura!
On reports that his campaign may have been illegally supported by a nonprofit run by his current campaign manager, Mark Block:
@8:58 - I am aware of the report. I just heard about it yesterday. We are doing a full investigation of it and if there were any improprieties we will go back and amend the FEC reports. The last I want to do Laura is to do anything illegal or something that we shouldn’t do. So at this point we are going back through and double checking and making sure that we have all the I’s dotted and all the T’s crossed…As soon as we know what’s what Laura we will not only issue a press release but I will make sure that we let you know exactly what we found out.*
youtube.com/watch?v=ZP0FeoI_8KE
Transcript:
On why he said he wasn’t aware of any settlements just hours before saying he was:
@1:05 - *Remember, this happened 12 years ago, and the word ‘settlement’ suggested to me some sort of legal settlement, and later as I thought about it and thought about it I did recall an agreement with the lady that left who made the false accusation. So that’s when I said yes, there was an agreement. But when I was initially hit with this when I woke up yesterday morning trying to stay on focus on my day, I didn’t recall it right away. So yes there was an agreement that I later added to my explanation.
@2:34 - This happened 12 years ago and so I have been trying to recollect all of the various pieces of this throughout all day yesterday and the best account is the one that I did on Greta van Susteren later that evening–not changing the story, but trying to fill in as many details as I could possibly recall.
@2:57 - Laura: The event that took place 12 years ago, did this involve a gesture on your part, an invitation on your part, specifically what did it involve?
Cain: It did not involve an invitation.
@5:07 - Laura: You don’t recall the second event, just the first event?
Cain: I don’t recall the second one. I’m not even aware of it. If it were, maybe it happened after I left. Remember, I was at the Restaurant Association for two and half years. The first lady was there while I was there and she ended up leaving before I left so she was not there a long time. The second one that they’re referring to, I am totally unaware of whether there was some sort of agreement for some reason. If there were I’m totally unaware of it.
@6:09 - Laura: Do you feel that the timing of it is in any way suspicious given your rise in the polls?
Cain: Absolutely Laura…There is no doubt in my mind, no doubt in our mind, that this is because I have done so well in the polls consistently. And the other thing Laura that I would add is, I’m sure that there’s gonna be some more trumped up charges…
@14:00 - Yesterday with the firestorm was one of our best fundraising days online ever, since the campaign started. One of the best ones ever Laura!
On reports that his campaign may have been illegally supported by a nonprofit run by his current campaign manager, Mark Block:
@8:58 - I am aware of the report. I just heard about it yesterday. We are doing a full investigation of it and if there were any improprieties we will go back and amend the FEC reports. The last I want to do Laura is to do anything illegal or something that we shouldn’t do. So at this point we are going back through and double checking and making sure that we have all the I’s dotted and all the T’s crossed…As soon as we know what’s what Laura we will not only issue a press release but I will make sure that we let you know exactly what we found out.*
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OrdinaryMelkite
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Indeed, Scott, indeed.
He was basically steady in yesterday’s interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox, though, even though she grilled him twenty ways to Sunday.
He was also basically OK in today’s early morning interview with Robyn Meade on HLN. Meade later told CNN that Cain seemed happier before the interview and like the “old Herman Cain.” Apparently he seems to be “adjusting” to this. He also seems to have gotten (according to him) another “money bomb” due to this. Good for him. He needs to keep on this, though. This is not going to go away so easily as he thinks.
Good thread.
And good topic. This is already shaping up to be an unique election.
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gilliam
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My guess is Cain would probably retaliate
Perry and Romney would probably retaliate
Paul would probably say it isn’t any of our business
We haven’t had many FP questions at the debates though.
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OrdinaryMelkite
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I DO agree that this could help Perry and Romney in the long run, though, particulalry if the story just will just not “go away.”
I was saying yesterday that many are convinced (particularly Mike Huckabee) that this problem got started by a “leak” from one of the GOP campaigns. Huckabee said he was “almost certain” of it. Personally, it sounds either like Perry or (possibly) Romney, Romney by the way of Karl Rove, who is basically open about his support for Romney.
Would not put it past either campaign or Rove to do something like this.
We’ll see how this turns out.
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_Abyssinia
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I have no idea if it got leaked by any of the GOP campaigns, who knows, maybe it got leaked by Obama’s campaign.I DO agree that this could help Perry and Romney in the long run, though, particulalry if the story just will just not “go away.”
I was saying yesterday that many are convinced (particularly Mike Huckabee) that this problem got started by a “leak” from one of the GOP campaigns. Huckabee said he was “almost certain” of it. Personally, it sounds either like Perry or (possibly) Romney, Romney by the way of Karl Rove, who is basically open about his support for Romney.
Would not put it past either campaign or Rove to do something like this.
We’ll see how this turns out.
I am not at all convinced the Obama camp has their act together well enough to have leaked this story.
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OrdinaryMelkite
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Could be Obama’s camp still----------------but they have been more interested in discrediting Romney lately than dealing with Cain. Apparently they agree with most of the Washington pundits that Cain is not gonna make it and that Romney is the inevitable choice.
It is in the media’s interests to portray Romney as the inevitable choice.
If he wins the nomination, I am convinced Obama will have a chance.
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_Abyssinia
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Why? Romney is doing well against Obama in the polls.
I don’t think any of of the Republican nominees have got the nomination in the bag yet, at this time in 2007 wasn’t Rudy Guiliani first in the polls with around 30% and Fred Thompson in second.
Answering a poll is different from actually voting.
I would answer a poll favoring Romney over Obama, but I do not believe I would vote for him. In fact, most of the people I know are having real anxiety over the prospect of choosing between Obama or Romney. A few say they simply will not vote.
I can’t disagree with them, I believe the man to be a closet socialist myself.
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I tend to agree with you. On the face of it, if a person is disrespecting women in a sexual manner, the responsible thing to do would be to report it and warn others. If money were offered in exchange for silence, my feeling is that it should not be accepted. Genuine sexual harassment is not simply between two people - the victims we save by speaking out might be our own friends and acquaintances.
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_Abyssinia
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But polls do give you a snapshot.
Don’t you think Romney would appeal more to moderates and independents than Herman Cain? I do agree with something Michelle Bachmann said weeks ago though, you shouldn’t have to settle.
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Which black stereotype? Were Clinton, …(insert chain of sexually indiscreet politicians)… Weiner, black? Sorry Rush, try again. All the black stereotypes - and a bunch of new ones - were used up in '08 campaign.
The paranoia of some people on this forum is evident in the fact that everyone from Barack Obama to the mysterous colltively conscious spirit known as “the Left” to the Clintons have been blamed for this. Rush Limbaugh has apparently blamed it on the fact that Cain is black, and that ‘the Left’ are trying to paint him as a black stereotype, forgetting, of course, that nobody is painting anyone; two women, real people, accused Cain of sexually harassing them. .
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