Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately

[Dwyer]

No, it is not. May I refer you to the following CAF post by Father Ruggero:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14214614&postcount=219

Sure it is.

This issue about voting has been answered about a zillion times.

You know, I read everything in that post you referred me to.

I ask that in return you read this essay ‘Explaining Ratzinger’s “Proportionate Reasons”:
Abortion Is the Black Hole of Moral Issues’ from Catholic Answers and watch the Catholic Answers Live video courtesy of Catholic Answers YouTube Channel addressing Can A Catholic Support a Candidate Who Opposes Church Teaching? both by the senior apologist at Catholic Answers Jimmy Akin:

“A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”

So wrote Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (while Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith [1981–2005]) in a confidential memorandum entitled Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles that became public earlier this year (2004) . . .

What kind of reason would be needed to vote for a pro-abort candidate for president? Something unimaginably huge . . .

The Abortion Numbers

Consider: A million and a half new Americans are murdered every year by abortion.

Jobs? The economy? Taxes? Education? The environment? Immigration? Forget it. We do not have nine million people dying in a typical president’s term of office due to bad job programs, bad economic policies, bad taxes, bad education, bad environmental law, bad immigration rules—or even all of these combined. All of them together cannot provide a reason proportionate to the need to end abortion.

Make no mistake: Abortion is the preeminent moral issue of our time. It is the black hole that out-masses every other issue. Presenting any other issues as if they were proportionate to it is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

catholic.com/magazine/articles/explaining-ratzingers-proportionate-reasons

**Can A Catholic Support a Candidate Who Opposes Church Teaching? **

youtube.com/watch?v=LVxhqWwvAws

 

[twf]

A brilliantly well written post it is, too.

I agree completely. I have said it before and I will say it again: we non-American Catholics are sick to our stomach that our American brethren can throw their love and support behind such a vile, disgusting, hateful, spiteful, petty man…Trump is the embodiment of everything a Catholic should not be. He mocks the handicapped, ridicules women for being “fat”, constantly contradicts himself and has been caught in lies again and again. He supports intrinsic evils such as torture (beyond water boarding according to his own words) and the murder of non-combatants and is at odd with the Church/bishops on other key issues such as immigration.
Yes, Hillary Clinton is monstrous in her support of abortion-on-demand. But the evil of one candidate doesn’t cancel out the evil of the other. The end does not justify the means. If I were an American, I couldn’t vote for either - and I know at least one American bishop has said one is not obliged to vote for either. I would focus on electing worthy senators… after all, doesn’t the senate have to ratify the president’s judicial appointments? (That seems to be the biggest argument for Trump on these boards - judicial appointments… but since when can presidents bypass the Senate?).

 

[Sy_Noe]

What vicious evil attack? Donald Trump said he does exactly what these women describe him doing to them. Why don’t you believe them? He said he grabs women by the *****, kisses them whether they want to be kissed or not and then when women say, yep he groped me, grabbed my crotch, forcibly kissed me it’s an evil attack.

I realize some may argue timing and “he said she said” but I am finding it hard to disbelieve every accusation, given what he himself said on the tape that he can do as a famous person. And then in the debate when Anderson Cooper asked if he ever actually did the types of things he described on the tape, instead of right away emphatically saying he had not, he went into this talk about how much he respects women and it wasn’t until after Anderson continued to press him for an answer, that he gave an answer. I wouldn’t be surprised if his denial at that point in the recent debate brought these women’s encounters with him to the surface and that is why they have spoken out.

 

[lmachine]

Physically Attacked by Donald Trump – A PEOPLE Writer’s Own Harrowing Story

We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds, he was pushing me against the wall, and forcing his tongue down my throat.

Now, I’m a tall, strapping girl who grew up wrestling two giant brothers. I even once sparred with Mike Tyson. It takes a lot to push me. But Trump is much bigger—a looming figure—and he was fast, taking me by surprise, and throwing me off balance. I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself.

The butler informed us that Melania would be down momentarily, and it was time to resume the interview.

I was still in shock, and remained speechless as we both followed him to an outdoor patio overlooking the grounds. In those few minutes alone with Trump, my self-esteem crashed to zero. How could the actions of one man make me feel so utterly violated? I’d been interviewing A-list celebrities for over 20 years, but what he’d done was a first. Did he think I’d be flattered?

I tried to act normal. I had a job to do, and I was determined to do it. I sat in a chair that faced Trump, who waited for his wife on a loveseat. The butler left us, and I fumbled with my tape recorder. Trump smiled and leaned forward.
“You know we’re going to have an affair, don’t you?” he declared, in the same confident tone he uses when he says he’s going to make America great again. “Have you ever been to Peter Luger’s for steaks? I’ll take you. We’re going to have an affair, I’m telling you.” He also referenced the infamous cover of the New York Post during his affair with Marla Maples. “You remember,” he said. “Best Sex I Ever Had.”

…]

Now he’s running for president of our country. The other day, I listened to him talk about how he treats women on the Access Hollywood tape. I felt a strong mix of emotions, but shock wasn’t one of them.

I was relieved. I finally understood for sure that I was not to blame for his inappropriate behavior. I had not been singled out. As he explained to Billy Bush, it was his usual modus operandi with women. I felt deep regret for not speaking out at the time. What if he had done worse to other female reporters at the magazine since then because I hadn’t warned them?

 

[lmachine]

Looks like Trump is going to sue The New York Times, I presume over this story:

twitter.com/costareports/status/786382661476507648

They released a letter demanding a retraction and an apology, something the NYT and their counsel will laugh at. That will almost certainly be the extent of it. He may have run one of the most incompetent campaigns of all time but not even he is dumb enough to file suit over this.

 

[NormW]

If Donald Trump is the champion of the church, what a sad time it is in the world.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Letter from what is presumably Trump’s lawyer to New York Times:

twitter.com/alivitali/status/786423770709753860

 

[lmachine]

All of Donald Trump’s Accusers: A Timeline of Every Alleged Grope and Assault

Since The Washington Post reported last Friday that Donald Trump was recorded bragging about his ability to sexually assault women, several women have stepped forward to allege the Republican presidential nominee did just that. Their allegations amount to a substantial list of alleged sexual harassment and assault dating back to the early 1980s. Trump has denied every allegation against him.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Letter from what is presumably Trump’s lawyer to New York Times:

twitter.com/alivitali/status/786423770709753860

Donald Trump files lawsuits with the same frequency most people change their socks. Check out the one he filed against Bill Maher. Funny stuff.

I don’t get how a Catholic can support Trump. I thought you couldn’t do evil even for good. Supporting Trump is objectively evil, and assessments of Clinton don’t change that. Shouldn’t principles, especially religious ones, come before political resentments?

 

[Catholic_farmer]

Well, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time a politician took advantage of his position. I am not at all surprised this happened with Trump. He has shown us, repeatedly, that he regards women as mere objects for his pleasure.

 

[rose_kelly]

If Donald Trump is the champion of the church, what a sad time it is in the world.

Well said.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Apparently the women already have Web sites.

Amazing coincidence … the timing with the election.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Donald Trump files lawsuits with the same frequency most people change their socks. Check out the one he filed against Bill Maher. Funny stuff.

I don’t get how a Catholic can support Trump. I thought you couldn’t do evil even for good. Supporting Trump is objectively evil, and assessments of Clinton don’t change that. Shouldn’t principles, especially religious ones, come before political resentments?

What specifically do you consider to be “objectively evil”?

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

Donald Trump files lawsuits with the same frequency most people change their socks. Check out the one he filed against Bill Maher. Funny stuff.

I don’t get how a Catholic can support Trump. I thought you couldn’t do evil even for good. Supporting Trump is objectively evil, and assessments of Clinton don’t change that. Shouldn’t principles, especially religious ones, come before political resentments?

How do you figure supporting him is objectively evil? Subjectively evil maybe, but objectively? By what measure?

Personally, I see Clinton supporting objective evil, and Trump as unpleasantly distasteful in some ways. Could he promote actual evil? He could, but she actively does.

Regardless, if that is what you believe, can I assume you believe that Catholics cannot vote for either candidate in this election? Certainly it does not simply disallow them from voting just Trump? I can see believing in neither candidate, in terms of consistent moral objections for Catholics.

 

[SouthCatholic]

what vicious evil attack? Donald trump said he does exactly what these women describe him doing to them. Why don’t you believe them? He said he grabs women by the *****, kisses them whether they want to be kissed or not and then when women say, yep he groped me, grabbed my crotch, forcibly kissed me it’s an evil attack.

thank you!!!

 

[queenofheartscv]

Given how wealthy Trump is, the women would have sued a long time ago if it were true. But no, they wanted to wait until after the tape came out. How timely. Remember the question at the debate: Mr. Trump, are you sure you’ve never done what you joked about doing? What a nice set-up! It’s war out there.

 

[abelville]

Of course we don’t know how much of this is true, but for the survival or the unborn, and Religious Freedom - ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS AS CHRISTIANS, maybe Trump should step down and allow Pence to finish to the mark. I don’t know if even the DNC could dig up or fabricate enough on Pence by Nov 8th.

 

[DeniseNY]

Given how wealthy Trump is, the women would have sued a long time ago if it were true. But no, they wanted to wait until after the tape came out. How timely. Remember the question at the debate: Mr. Trump, are you sure you’ve never done what you joked about doing? What a nice set-up! It’s war out there.

Indeed

 

[queenofheartscv]

Of course we don’t know how much of this is true, but for the survival or the unborn, and Religious Freedom - ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS AS CHRISTIANS, maybe Trump should step down and allow Pence to finish to the mark. I don’t know if even the DNC could dig up or fabricate enough on Pence by Nov 8th.

Oh if Pence were the rightful nominee from the start, you bet you’d be hearing things about him, too. If not him. it’d be his wife, his children, his father, grandfather, what have you. Remember what they did to Hermain Cain, a solid guy but pushed out by a sexual scandal. This is not for the faint hearted. If anyone here on the forum is brave enough to run for president one day, unless they are democrat, wait and see the onslaught they’ll have to endure. It happens every time. They made Romney to be this guy who wanted to push granny off the cliff, who caused an employee’s spouse to die of cancer, who never paid any taxes. They will come up with anything and everything in order to win the election. Curiously, nothing ever sticks with hillary, nothing whatsoever. Her secret: the media is on her side.

 

[DeniseNY]

Oh if Pence were the rightful nominee from the start, you bet you’d be hearing things about him, too. If not him. it’d be his wife, his children, his father, grandfather, what have you. Remember what they did to Hermain Cain, a solid guy but pushed out by a sexual scandal. This is not for the faint hearted. If anyone here on the forum is brave enough to run for president one day, unless they are democrat, wait and see the onslaught they’ll have to endure. It happens every time. They made Romney to be this guy who wanted to push granny off the cliff, who caused an employee’s spouse to die of cancer, who never paid any taxes. They will come up with anything and everything in order to win the election. Curiously, nothing ever sticks with hillary, nothing whatsoever. Her secret: the media is on her side.

His third grade classmates, a server he maybe didn’t tip well, someone he cut off in traffic…