Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately

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How short the American memory is:
here are the 2014 midterm election results
graphics.wsj.com/midterm-election-results-2014/

All of you that are standing by your righteous anger have been outmaneuvered.

She had no chance. Her only chance was a man named Donald Trump.
And here he is.
Donald Trump is a progressive mainstream media Frankenstein creation.
 
goout said:
Trump is playing no one. He is the one being played.
The media manipulated him in to this position as Hillary’s patsy.
The anger of the “tea party” faction has been used against them with devastating effect by vaulting their savior into this position.

Look at the statistics in coverage. From the beginning, Trump has received waaaay more coverage than the other Repub canididates, and now his defects are receiving waaaay more coverage than Hilary’s. Like 10x more.

Trump is a tool in the hands of people way smarter and more devious than him.
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I don’t disagree with you regarding the bias of media coverage in favor of Hillary and in opposition to Trump. However, the thought that Trump is some spiritual or religious leader or savior is contrary to the story of his life. He is a secularist, plain and simple, and stands for all the things most religious people are against.
 
meltzerboy said:
What is Trump but a secular candidate, perhaps more so than Clinton, who does have some allegiance to her Methodist faith. He is simply playing Evangelicals and Catholics alike for fools.
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And what is worse - an allegiance to a faith but actions that are 100% counter to the Gospel of Christ - lie, cheat, steal, murder unborn … who sees no error in their ways … one who seeks to undermine the religious and moral beliefs of others - in fact have to disavow them publicly to be part of her inner circle

Or one where a person seems to be a work in progress - moving from pro-abortion to pro-life, changing the way they think and act [maybe not as fast or as complete as one would want] gathering moral advisers around them ,

People talk about choosing between the lessor of 2 evils …

In fact - each and every time we elect people [select a spouse or hire people, choose them to be friends, etc] we are choosing an imperfect person - they will have sinful moments and saintly moments … just as we do … we can only hope as they are shaping our futures - its the saintly period … our government is not Divinely protected as our Church is from all error in faith and morals … and look at some of our historical Popes 🤷

Jesus is not on the ballot - how much nicer our life would be would that be so - yet I hazard a guess he would not get 100% of the vote;

A Saint is also not on our ballot [though looking at the lives of some saints at some points in their life - they might look more familiar to our candidates then would make us comfortable] … two people are …

Each has made public statements … we need to decide which one will do the most harm based upon their statements … the people they surround themselves with …
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t disagree with you regarding the bias of media coverage in favor of Hillary and in opposition to Trump. However, the thought that Trump is some spiritual or religious leader or savior is contrary to the story of his life. He is a secularist, plain and simple, and stands for all the things most religious people are against.
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It doesn’t really matter.
When you want to win, and you have the ability to create reality, you create someone you can beat.
The media is in the business of forming opinion and creating reality. Trump is someone they can beat when they had no chance.

It’s no accident that a crude billionaire playboy with no political experience is a step away from the whitehouse.

This was 2 years ago.

Results from the 2014 Midterm Election
By WSJ News Graphics

Race for the Senate

46Democrats*
-9 seats

54Republicans
+9 seats
 
goout said:
It doesn’t really matter.
When you want to win, and you have the ability to create reality, you create someone you can beat.
The media is in the business of forming opinion and creating reality. Trump is someone they can beat when they had no chance.

It’s no accident that a crude billionaire playboy with no political experience is a step away from the whitehouse.
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And the latter is the case despite all of Trump’s personal flaws because the American people are disgusted with the status quo, which Hillary Clinton represents, preferring change, and are also disgusted with Hillary herself, both her personality and her public policies, as well as her being a co-member of the Clinton dynasty.
 
goout said:
It doesn’t really matter.
When you want to win, and you have the ability to create reality, you create someone you can beat.
The media is in the business of forming opinion and creating reality. Trump is someone they can beat when they had no chance.

It’s no accident that a crude billionaire playboy with no political experience is a step away from the whitehouse.
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Well - if that was Hillary’s plan - A race against Trump so she could waltz into the White House easily all the more reason to put Trump there in her place IMHO …

Trump was not my choice - but in our system Clinton and Trump are the only viable options - one or the other will be there …

If this was her plan … let it fail …
 
YADA said:
And what is worse - an allegiance to a faith but actions that are 100% counter to the Gospel of Christ - lie, cheat, steal, murder unborn … who sees no error in their ways … one who seeks to undermine the religious and moral beliefs of others - in fact have to disavow them publicly to be part of her inner circle

Or one where a person seems to be a work in progress - moving from pro-abortion to pro-life, changing the way they think and act [maybe not as fast or as complete as one would want] gathering moral advisers around them ,

People talk about choosing between the lessor of 2 evils …

In fact - each and every time we elect people [select a spouse or hire people, choose them to be friends, etc] we are choosing an imperfect person - they will have sinful moments and saintly moments … just as we do … we can only hope as they are shaping our futures - its the saintly period … our government is not Divinely protected as our Church is from all error in faith and morals … and look at some of our historical Popes 🤷

Jesus is not on the ballot - how much nicer our life would be would that be so - yet I hazard a guess he would not get 100% of the vote;

A Saint is also not on our ballot [though looking at the lives of some saints at some points in their life - they might look more familiar to our candidates then would make us comfortable] … two people are …

Each has made public statements … we need to decide which one will do the most harm based upon their statements … the people they surround themselves with …
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I don’t think Trump is a “work in progress.” He is some work, though.
 
meltzerboy said:
And the latter is the case despite all of Trump’s personal flaws because the American people are disgusted with the status quo, which Hillary Clinton represents, preferring change, and are also disgusted with Hillary herself, both her personality and her public policies, as well as her being a co-member of the Clinton dynasty.
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The people are rightly disgusted. Several candidates latched on to that disgust, rightfully so. One candidate gets all the circus coverage and crystallizes the disgust.

He also is (by coincidence?) the only candidate she can beat. Cruz? no Kasich? no Rubio? no Christie? no. They all had possible messiness, but nothing like this guy.

The man is a creation of the very media he despises.
 
CatholicSheila said:
Shouldn’t the assumption be that Trump is innocent?
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This isn’t a court of law but a credibility issue, IMO.

Was Donald truthful in his boastful conversations with Bush and Stern and others, for example?

Is he credible when he boasts only he can fix things?

What about trying to negotiate the public debt? This is a serious matter that many are deathly afraid of, including me.
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t disagree with you regarding the bias of media coverage in favor of Hillary and in opposition to Trump. However, the thought that Trump is some spiritual or religious leader or savior is contrary to the story of his life. He is a secularist, plain and simple, and stands for all the things most religious people are against.
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I don’t know anybody or have ever heard anybody say he is a religious leader. He is not.
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t think Trump is a “work in progress.” He is some work, though.
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I don’t think he’s a work in progress either. Maybe I’m from New York and he’s been in the public eye since I was in at least high school. None of these things are surprising. To me I keep thinking, “What took so long?” 🤷
 
goout said:
The people are rightly disgusted. Several candidates latched on to that disgust, rightfully so. One candidate gets all the circus coverage and crystallizes the disgust.

He also is (by coincidence?) the only candidate she can beat. Cruz? no Kasich? no Rubio? no Christie? no. They all had possible messiness, but nothing like this guy.

The man is a creation of the very media he despises.
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I tend to agree.

Here’s an example. He held a press conference about the birther issue. He held it in his new hotel. He spoke for half an hour on other things, not related to the birth issues. On live TV with the media broadcasting live.

Then he says his 2 phrase sentence about Barack Obama being born here.

The media went, and broadcast him for half an hour.

Also, there have been incidents where news that would be against hillary’s comes out, and he can’t help himself but to get on Twitter and talk about some slight against him.

No one is forcing him to go on Twitter and tweet and retweet. He does that on his own.

And even now, just stop commenting and saying things like, “Have you seen her?” “She wouldn’t be my first choice” please just be quiet.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
I don’t think he’s a work in progress either. Maybe I’m from New York and he’s been in the public eye since I was in at least high school. None of these things are surprising. To me I keep thinking, “What took so long?” 🤷
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Indeed what took so long for recordings and accusations to surface, when he could have been pushed away from the pulpit long ago in favor of a viable candidate.

He has been very useful.
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t think Trump is a “work in progress.” He is some work, though.
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And that is your opinion … I hazard to guess that you do not know the man personally - I do not … I also never watched an episode of the Apprentice …

So our opinions are shaped by what he says and does and other factors that one can observe … we are also shaped by how Trump is reported on in the press …

So - we know he says lots of stuff - like build a wall and moratorium on immigrants from Muslim countries … that illegal immigrants commit crimes … Thus from the spin of he coverage and how the story is framed you can believe that Trump thinks every illegal immigrant is a rapist/murderer or that illegal immigration is a problem and has an impact on crime … Do you personally know a family who has been impacted by this issue like these families?:
theamericanmirror.com/cops-illegal-alien-raped-5-year-old-attempted-flee/
breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/10/two-illegals-charged-kidnapping-raping-12-year-old-maryland-girl/
breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/04/previously-deported-illegal-immigrant-charged-raping-child-13/

I am not a racist bigot - but I do believe that illegal immigration is not good for our country for a host of reasons

I do think Trump is progressing - one can look at his children and grand children and know he does many things that are positive … they can look to and speak with his employees - many many thousands of them - not just the ones who denigrate him but those on the other side …

As a business owner - one who started and grew a business I know the many issues around hiring and firing employees. How hard that is -

For me - financial success was not on the same scale as Trump. I was no where as successful financially. I know first hand what its like to comply with ever changing government regulations and taxes and the oppression that they bring - do you? I know how hard it is to compete, hire a skilled work force and compensate them adequately and attempt to make a profit - which happened very few years … I risked my capital and my time and reputation - not my employees …

Trump may not have started this campaign thinking he would change but in his apology about the tape I think the most honest words I ever heard him speak were about how meeting people across this country and listening to their experiences, dreams and struggles had changed him …

I believe they have and he is …
 
goout said:
Indeed what took so long for recordings and accusations to surface, when he could have been pushed away from the pulpit long ago in favor of a viable candidate.

He has been very useful.
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I think for whatever reason, people were blinded by his “star” power. Some of these things have been out, no one looked.

Buzzfeed, for example has been reporting on his Howard Stern appearances often.

Mark Shea had a huge list of his past behaviors, posted over the summer. If he was able to find them, we all should have really.

The NY Daily News reported about Jill Harth when it happened, in 1997.

Perhaps, the other republican candidates didn’t want to be seen as mud slingers?
 
queenofheartscv said:
this deserves repeating. 👍
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But how do you prove they NEVER happened?

Did Trump tell untruths when he bragged in all those videos and recordings with Bush, Stern, et al?

I think the public deserves to know how credible their candidate is. That is, if they care to know.
 
livnlern said:
If being accused of “trying to bring someone down”, “looking for attention”, and “trying to be famous” are why a woman wouldn’t want to report a groping or grabbing, then why wait until she’d be on a national stage in order to do it against a presidential candidate?
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She would’ve been on the national stage at any point because Trump is a national celebrity.

As for why now? I have no idea. But–Trump says bad things. He said bad things about himself. Millions of voters are willing to accept him despite the bad things he says he did. He stands a reasonable chance of being elected president.

Maybe she finally overcame her fear of reprisals and ridicule because there’s too much of a risk in remaining quiet any longer. And she’s getting exactly what she probably feared: ridicule, derision, vilification, and opprobrium. 😦

If anything, she’s given women across America a shining example of what they should do if a powerful man (allegedly) sexually molests them: stay quiet and pretend it didn’t happen.
 
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