Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately

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gracepoole said:
How you might like a victim to respond and how he or she might actually respond are two different things – and the difference is exceptionally important. You’ve stated that you would be “upset” with your daughter if she waited even a week to tell you she’d been victimized. You’ve stated that if your child doesn’t tell you for months, either she hasn’t been traumatized or you must have a relationship problem. All of these statements demonstrate a need for heightened education about how victims respond to being assaulted. And I’d gently suggest that focusing on how you think she should respond rather than how trauma might affect her responses won’t be particularly helpful to her as a victim.
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I absolutely disagree with you. It’s my job to train my children so that they will be safe. The safest thing to do is to report any abuse right away–this must be taught everywhere, and I know it is. Children must be taught the best way to ensure safety, not what they feel like doing. They must know to go to someone they could trust and report straight away. If this is not taught, they are less likely to do so and as a result they will incur much more hurt.
 
NormW said:
I believe these are the ones your referring too.

Jessica Leeds accused Trump of inappropriate touching on a plane. Anthony Gilberthorpe says he was sitting across from her and says it that didn’t happen.

Summer Zervos alleged that Trump began kissing her on the mouth very aggressively, placing his hand on her breast. Her cousin says that’s false.

Natasha Stoynoff claim was denied by Trump’s butler.

1997 beauty pageant contestant but other contestants disagree.
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Thank you!
 
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This is the debate that never ends…

We are never going to convince each other. We are all too stubborn and hard-headed. ;)😛

I just want people to quit calling me a pro-choice pro-Hillary democrat for voting third party. That’s all I want. SO simple.
 
Convert_in_99 said:
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This is the debate that never ends…

We are never going to convince each other. We are all too stubborn and hard-headed. ;)😛

I just want people to quit calling me a pro-choice pro-Hillary democrat for voting third party. That’s all I want. SO simple.
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Well for one thing, you don’t have to tell anyone how you’re going to vote.
 
queenofheartscv said:
I absolutely disagree with you. It’s my job to train my children so that they will be safe. The safest thing to do is to report any abuse right away–this must be taught everywhere, and I know it is. Children must be taught the best way to ensure safety, not what they feel like doing. They must know to go to someone they could trust and report straight away. If this is not taught, they are less likely to do so and as a result they will incur much more hurt.
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Of course assault should be reported immediately. And we can train children to have this knowledge. The act of assault, however, can affect victims in many ways. Victims can **know **that immediate reporting is best and still **feel **extremely intimated, frightened, scarred… It’s not as though victims who fail to report immediately have never been told to report immediately.
 
NormW said:
Jessica Leeds accused Trump of inappropriate touching on a plane. Anthony Gilberthorpe says he was sitting across from her and says it that didn’t happen.
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Is Mr. Gilberthorpe a more credible witness than Ms. Leeds herself?
“Gilberthorpe has no evidence to back up his claim — just his self-described excellent memory,” Halper reports.
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And speaking of excellent memories, here’s one the U.K. Mirror had in July 2014:
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*Senior Tory cabinet ministers were supplied with underage boys for sex parties, it is sensationally claimed.
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Former Conservative activist Anthony Gilberthorpe said he told Margaret Thatcher 25 years ago about what he had witnessed and gave her names of those involved.
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His allegations that he saw top Tories having sex with boys comes after David Cameron launched a Government inquiry into claims of a cover-up.
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Anthony, 52, said: “I am prepared to speak to the inquiry. I believe I am a key witness.”
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Trawling seedy streets during a Tory conference, Gilberthorpe says he was asked to find underage rent boys for a private sex party at a top hotel.*
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huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-defended-leeds_us_58014fe2e4b06e047594fa91

The title of the Huffington Post article says it all, “Donald Trump Finds Worst Possible Character Witness To Dispute Assault Allegations”
 
Convert_in_99 said:
I just want people to quit calling me a pro-choice pro-Hillary democrat for voting third party. That’s all I want. SO simple.
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Good luck with that. :rolleyes:

I’m not voting for either DT or HRC. My pro-Trump in-laws have been pretty adamant that a vote for anyone other than Trump is a pro-choice vote for Hillary.
 
gracepoole said:
Of course assault should be reported immediately. And we can train children to have this knowledge. The act of assault, however, can affect victims in many ways. Victims can **know **that immediate reporting is best and still **feel **extremely intimated, frightened, scarred… It’s not as though victims who fail to report immediately have never been told to report immediately.
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I agree gracepoole, and the tape regarding what Trump said was very alarming, but in comparison to the many serious issues in regards to this election, I would still run to place a vote for Trump to stop Clinton, but at the same time I would fight against this sort of thing and I’m glad all the republicans condemned it and Trump apologized for it.

Second of all, the way this is playing out for Clinton is way, way too convenient for my liking.

Even if these cases are true (Which I don’t know, they very well could be true, they could also be false) the fact they have already released the tape of Trump, people are going to assume he is guilty regardless of the evidence, and the timing of this, is like I said, way, way too convenient.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
on_the_hill said:
Good luck with that. :rolleyes:

I’m not voting for either DT or HRC. My pro-Trump in-laws have been pretty adamant that a vote for anyone other than Trump is a pro-choice vote for Hillary.
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Yeah it stinks. I thought more of my Catholic brothers and sisters would respect that. I’ve received more insults and grief here than anywhere. 😦
 
josh987654321 said:
I agree gracepoole, and the tape regarding what Trump said was very alarming, but in comparison to the many serious issues in regards to this election, I would still run to place a vote for Trump to stop Clinton, but at the same time I would fight against this sort of thing and I’m glad all the republicans condemned it and Trump apologized for it.

Second of all, the way this is playing out for Clinton is way, way too convenient for my liking.

Even if these cases are true (Which I don’t know, they very well could be true, they could also be false) the fact they have already released the tape of Trump, people are going to assume he is guilty regardless of the evidence, and the timing of this, is like I said, way, way too convenient.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
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This was very nicely and respectively written. You explain your stance and why but you didn’t beat us down for our choice. Thank you SO much! 🙂
 
queenofheartscv said:
TRump has witnesses including person sitting across from seat, the accusers cousin, his butler, other beauty contestants in the room. Apparently they don’t count at all to you.
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NormW said:
I believe these are the ones your referring too.

Jessica Leeds accused Trump of inappropriate touching on a plane. Anthony Gilberthorpe says he was sitting across from her and says it that didn’t happen.
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Does he seem sketchy to you?

google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/ca9c96d0afef

redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/10/14/trump-defender-pimped-young-boys-high-ranking-british-politicians/
NormW said:
Natasha Stoynoff claim was denied by Trump’s butler…
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Also sketchy?
m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/trump-butler-anthony-senecal-facebook-kill-obama

Can’t say they are true or untrue as with most of these types of things but they aren’t debunked.
 
Pier said:
The baby should not suffer for the sin of its father.
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Correct answer!

And yet, by some twisted logic, a Catholic is allowed to vote for such a person IF his/her viable opponent is more pro-abortion.
 
Convert_in_99 said:
Yeah it stinks. I thought more of my Catholic brothers and sisters would respect that. I’ve received more insults and grief here than anywhere. 😦
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Can you cite where you have been singled out and insulted by anyone here on the forum?I follow pretty much all of the political threads and I don’t recall any such posts.Yest you have mentioned this several times on different threads:confused:
 
Jeanne_S said:
Can you cite where you have been singled out and insulted by anyone here on the forum?I follow pretty much all of the political threads and I don’t recall any such posts.Yest you have mentioned this several different times.:confused:
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Those who vote third party have been called “pro-Hillary,” “pro-choice” and “democrats.” Those are the exact words. I’m third party so I have been called those things. 🤷
 
NormW said:
Can’t say they are true or untrue as with most of these types of things but they aren’t debunked.
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Exactly. Not only have these incidents not been debunked but, in two of the cases, the so-called “debunking” actually served to reinforce the women’s original statements.

Personally, I’m not paying much attention to these accusations simply because we have all seen and heard Trump demean, degrade and objectify women. I don’t really need additional examples to know what he is-he has told us and shown us.

We have heard him admit to the dressing room accusations. We heard him brag about doing what these women are saying he did. For the past few days, his biggest defense from these allegations isn’t that he would never commit sexual assault but that these women aren’t attractive enough for him to assault. The man is totally devoid of character and has proven that over and over and over again.
 
Songcatcher said:
Exactly. Not only have these incidents not been debunked but, in two of the cases, the so-called “debunking” actually served to reinforce the women’s original statements.

Personally, I’m not paying much attention to these accusations simply because we have all seen and heard Trump demean, degrade and objectify women. I don’t really need additional examples to know what he is-he has told us and shown us.

We have heard him admit to the dressing room accusations. We heard him brag about doing what these women are saying he did. For the past few days, his biggest defense from these allegations isn’t that he would never commit sexual assault but that these women aren’t attractive enough for him to assault. The man is totally devoid of character and has proven that over and over and over again.
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I saw somebody on twitter, on this forum, or elsewhere point out that what about innocent until proven guiltily? These cases, as far as I know and correct me if I am wrong, have not been reported to the police, Trump has not been charged with any crime in regards to these women, and these cases have not gone through court. They are serious allegations and I doubt anybody on this forum knows whether they are true or not for definite, but they are allegations, they have not been proven to have happened and Trump has strenuously denied the allegations the women have made, took place.

Regarding the dressing room, presuming you mean the story below, there are different women giving their recollection of events. Here are two of these women:

kob.com/politics-news/former-miss-nm-teen-refutes-buzzfeed-article-on-trump-/4290678/

m.facebook.com/AmyColleyTyson/posts/10101579013551556
 
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