U.S. bishops’ relief agency gives $5.3 million to major contraception-providing charity

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zab said:
Well, one can read into it whatever they want.
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They’re letting people put money in the COLLECTION PLATE, and then letting them assume it’s going to Catholic causes, aka “to support the Church.” And a fair amount of it is simply not being used for that, but for something else. That’s what’s happening.
 
MHichborn said:
A couple of things here. To be fair to CRS, they are not using Catholic-donated funds to give to other organizations, like CARE. The grant CRS provided to CARE was called a “pass-through” from the government. In essence, the government gives a lump sum to CRS, who is then obligated to disseminate the funds to other organizations (keeping some for themselves, of course), and that is the money that is given to CARE.

Here’s something else to consider … CRS is a $1 billion organization, nearly $500 million of which comes from the government. If we really wanted to make sure that our Catholic Relief Service was “clean,” we should make sure it isn’t receiving government money because those usually come with strings attached. Or, you wind up in a situation as with CARE, where CRS is left making a feeble attempt to defend giving money to such a rabidly anti-Catholic organization.
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It’s hard to blame Catholic organizations too much for taking government money in the past. But now that the government has declared war on Catholics (today is the start date for the “Jizya” one will pay for being Catholic in the U.S.) Catholic institutions need to divorce themselves from the government as fast and as completely as possible. This administration is far from being finished with punishing people for being faithful Catholics.
 
Ridgerunner said:
It’s hard to blame Catholic organizations too much for taking government money in the past. But now that the government has declared war on Catholics (today is the start date for the “Jizya” one will pay for being Catholic in the U.S.) Catholic institutions need to divorce themselves from the government as fast and as completely as possible. This administration is far from being finished with punishing people for being faithful Catholics.
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I actually don’t like the fact that Catholic organizations have ever taken government money the way they have, but I know why they did it. It’s wasn’t really a good idea or kosher, but I understand why they would want to do it.

I agree with you that the best possible course of action ASAP is to get out of the business of taking government money. We also need to get out of all these reciprocal relationships with abortion-providers and so on. Otherwise we make liars out of ourselves, and we can no longer keep all that a secret. The cat is out of the bag, as they say.
 
Looks like the problem just got a lot bigger:

redstate.com/svkenney/2012/08/02/scandal-redux-catholic-relief-services-edition/

CRS is now guilty of the following:
  1. Using donation money to pay membership fees to an organization that spends half its budget on family-planning-related projects.
  2. Being on the board of an organization that spends half its budget on family-planning-related projects.
  3. Vetting a document that promotes condom use.
What can CRS NOT say?

“We do not fund, support or participate in any programming or advocacy that is not in line with Church teaching, including artificial birth control.” newswire.crs.org/crs-disputes-lifesitenews-article/
 
lifesitenews.com/news/would-us-bishops-org-fund-a-white-supremist-group-doing-good-projects more commentary from lifesite. i have been thinking about links to lifesite and the complaints that it generates .people go on and on about how they don’t like them,lack of objectivity and the like. i don’t believe that they have ever claimed they were concerned about anything except the combating the culture of death.all the other Catholic news don’t touch these issues until lifesite brings them up,and then only to publish these organizations exuses and obfuscations.and this site is the only one investigating these organizations.and they are always finding something.🤷
 
MHichborn said:
Looks like the problem just got a lot bigger:

redstate.com/svkenney/2012/08/02/scandal-redux-catholic-relief-services-edition/

CRS is now guilty of the following:
  1. Using donation money to pay membership fees to an organization that spends half its budget on family-planning-related projects.
  2. Being on the board of an organization that spends half its budget on family-planning-related projects.
  3. Vetting a document that promotes condom use.
What can CRS NOT say?

“We do not fund, support or participate in any programming or advocacy that is not in line with Church teaching, including artificial birth control.” newswire.crs.org/crs-disputes-lifesitenews-article/
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Yanno…paying dues to an organization means that you embrace its principles and goals and that organization has a right to speak for you!

…waiting for the doublespeak from CRS (it seems to be all about the politics, have you noticed?)

Another troubling aspect regarding condoms that happened a while back:
Although CRS policymakers do not have the support of the USCCB 1989 document their position paper quotes, they could claim the support of a December 1987 document—not issued by the USCCB as a whole but only by its administrative board—“The Many Faces of AIDS.”
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That document said that public educational programs “could include accurate information about prophylactic devices * … as potential means of preventing AIDS. We are not promoting the use of prophylactics, but merely providing information that is part of the factual picture.”
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That statement was considered unsatisfactory by many US bishops and was severely criticized by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger,* then prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In a letter to the US bishops, Cardinal Ratzinger indicated that public programs providing such information not only tolerated evil but facilitated it.
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catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8094
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I guess they weren’t kidding when they made the announcement two ? years ago that they had entered into a partnership with the Gates and Buffet Foundations.
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slatts.blogspot.com/2010/01/catholic-relief-services-forms.html
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Tigg,thanks for the link to slatts. wasn’t aware of them. they don’t seem very objective,which is a plus to me regarding the Teaching of Holy mother Church.i will leave the rationalizations and the justifications to others.
 
april32010 said:
Tigg,thanks for the link to slatts. wasn’t aware of them. they don’t seem very objective,which is a plus to me regarding the Teaching of Holy mother Church.i will leave the rationalizations and the justifications to others.
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One needs to ignore the blog comments and go to the end of the web page. Some of the listed anti-life organizations will link directly to the sites antithetical to church teaching. It’s really hard work diggin’ thru all this stuff.
 
Tigg said:
Yanno…paying dues to an organization means that you embrace its principles and goals and that organization has a right to speak for you!

…waiting for the doublespeak from CRS (it seems to be all about the politics, have you noticed?)

slatts.blogspot.com/2010/01/catholic-relief-services-forms.html
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That’s what I thought when I saw this, too. How on earth can CRS justify this kind of thing?

Given how stridently CRS defended its grant to CARE, I can only imagine what it will say about being a dues-paying member and on the board of an organization that spends half its budget on family planning related projects.
 
Tigg said:
One needs to ignore the blog comments and go to the end of the web page. Some of the listed anti-life organizations will link directly to the sites antithetical to church teaching. It’s really hard work diggin’ thru all this stuff.
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That’s what these outfits are counting on…that people won’t do the work to find out what’s really going on and will just send in their money.
It’s really arrogant–they assume people are too stupid to catch on.
 
zab said:
CRS Refutes Inaccurate Accusations- Updated August 2
newswire.crs.org/crs-disputes-lifesitenews-article/
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…“Some networks to which CRS belongs include members which do not uphold all tenets of Catholic teaching.”…

There’s the money quote. I’m glad they’re squirming. It doesn’t matter how much good CARE does. You can’t do evil things in the hope that some good will occur among the consequences. Basic Catholic theology.
 
Sister Carol Keehan is on the board of directors at Catholic relief service

crs.org/about/executives

She has been given an award by the LCWR. She was president of the Catholic health association and defended an abortion that took place at St Joseph’s hospital, Bishop Olmsted revoked Catholic status of the hospital
 
iloveangels said:
…“Some networks to which CRS belongs include members which do not uphold all tenets of Catholic teaching.”…

There’s the money quote. I’m glad they’re squirming. It doesn’t matter how much good CARE does. You can’t do evil things in the hope that some good will occur among the consequences. Basic Catholic theology.
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You have not convinced me that CRS is “doing evil things in the hope that some good will come out of it.” Giving to programs that support bringing food, water, sanitation,- basic human needs is not evil. The only “evil” that some are suggesting and complaining about is CRS collaboration with other organizations that do things that are in conflict with Catholic teaching. CRS is not supporting or giving grants to any programs that go against Catholic teaching.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Sister Carol Keehan is on the board of directors at Catholic relief service

crs.org/about/executives

She has been given an award by the LCWR. She was president of the Catholic health association and defended an abortion that took place at St Joseph’s hospital, Bishop Olmsted revoked Catholic status of the hospital
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Sometimes it is wise to take note of who is on the board of directors and whether or not they do and say things that go against Catholic teaching. Simply working with others for a combined good is not going against Catholic teaching. We should note that it was a Samaritan who gave aid to a beaten traveler when a priest and a Levite passed him by.
 
Abyssinia;9603593]Sister Carol Keehan is on the board of directors at Catholic relief service
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Sister Carol Keehan is still ceo and president of CHA

chausa.org/Keehan_Sr_Carol/

I have much respect for her. She has the experience and expertise to speak accurately about health-care where her critics do not.

Jim
 
zab said:
CRS Refutes Inaccurate Accusations- Updated August 2
newswire.crs.org/crs-disputes-lifesitenews-article/
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Funny that CRS actually didn’t refute any of the accusations, nor did they point out any inaccuracies. All CRS did was confirm that it is, in fact, a dues-paying member of the CORE Group, that the CORE Group does, in fact, push contraception, and then CRS attempts to justify CRS’s membership by pointing to the alleged good stuff they do through this membership.

However, it should be pointed out that CRS contradicts itself IN ITS OWN STATEMENT!

First of all, CRS attempts to deflect the truth of the matter by claiming the following regarding it’s membership in the CORE Group:

We see our membership in the CORE Group as a means of demonstrating our faithfulness to Church teaching. Some networks to which CRS belongs include members which do not uphold all tenets of Catholic teaching.We acknowledge our differences, air our disagreements on these issues and contribute our Catholic voice to the conversation.

Did you see the neat little slight of word? First it talks about its membership in the CORE Group, but then talks about how CRS belongs to some networks that include other members that promote immoral actions. THIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM WITH MEMBERSHIP IN THE CORE GROUP!

What is at the heart of the problem is that the CORE Group ITSELF is promoting contraception, and CRS is a dues-paying member of IT!

But here’s the contradiction. Noted above, CRS admits that it is a member of the CORE Group. And we know that the CORE Group is promoting contraception. But at the end of the statement, CRS says:

As clearly stated on our website, “although some positions and practices of these institutions are not always consistent with the full range of Catholic teaching, CRS’ association with them is always and only focused on activities that are fully consistent with Catholic teaching. Furthermore, CRS neither facilitates, endorses nor enables any violation of those teachings.”

This is patently FALSE! By paying dues to the CORE Group, CRS is INDEED “facilitating, enabling, and endorsing” the contraception-promotion that CORE Group does by fact of its membership dues, and the lending of its name as a board member and intimate relationships.
 
MHichborn said:
CRS says:
As clearly stated on our website, “although some positions and practices of these institutions are not always consistent with the full range of Catholic teaching, CRS’ association with them is always and only focused on activities that are fully consistent with Catholic teaching. Furthermore, CRS neither facilitates, endorses nor enables any violation of those teachings.”
This is patently FALSE! By paying dues to the CORE Group, CRS is INDEED “facilitating, enabling, and endorsing” the contraception-promotion that CORE Group does by fact of its membership dues, and the lending of its name as a board member and intimate relationships.
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It must not be “patently FALSE” if the NCBC, whose duty it is to submit it’s ethical analysis when requested, disagrees with you.
 
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