U.S. Public Continues to Favor Legal Abortion, Oppose Overturning Roe v. Wade

[francisca.chapter3]

Okay. But how does that result in more abortions?

It promotes behavior that result in unwanted pregnancy

The right to self-defense is inherent in the right to life. You don’t have to stand helpless while thugs try to kill you and rape your wife and daughters. In fact, self-defense is a duty – if you can save your own life, you are obligated to do so.

This I agree.

 

[HerCrazierHalf]

It promotes behavior that result in unwanted pregnancy

How does that match up with declining in abortions since 1996? Especially given the increased accessibility of such media.

 

[ProVobis]

How does that match up with declining in abortions since 1996? Especially given the increased accessibility of such media.

That may change given the states have started providing free abortions.

 

[CarmeliteKnight]

Easy. Go after the liscenses of doctors. Let them know that of they willingly facilitate a child murder that not only will they lose their liscense to practice medicine they will be thrown in jail for minimum 30 years and have a $50k fine attached to their sentence. We incentivize doctors to not help women murder their children.

As for women who can’t take care of their child, we make them go to term and deliver the child. Than give said child to a Church approved orphanage where it will be taken care of and hopefully be given to a loving family.

As for women who’s life is at risk if she goes to term, she is still expected to go to term. Miracles do happen.
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.) We as a church pray to the above saint and ask her to intercede for the mother and child. We also offer the mother a priest to baptise the mother (assuming she isn’t baptized) and enroll her in the brown scapular. If she is already baptised than we offer her a priest to give her confession and enroll her in the brown scapular. This way, if God permits the pregnancy to cost the mother her life, she does not face the fires of hell.

Her giving her life to save the life of her child would make her a martyr just like St. Gianna. Women should be encouraged to be heroic and Christ like, not a cowardly-worldling like so many others.

 

[HerCrazierHalf]

That may change given the states have started providing free abortions.

Or maybe the steady decline is partially because people (especially teens) have gotten much better at not getting pregnant.

 

[aroosi]

Please tell me this is a joke. You cannot impose your religious beliefs with government. You cannot really dream to make USA a theocracy. Hint… it has been tried already in the western world in past centuries and more recently in the middle east and it turned into a disaster.

 

[CarmeliteKnight]

It has been done before and there was never the travesty of legalized baby murder. I don’t care for your Americanism or whatever you believe. I believe in the social kingship of Christ. I believe church and state are inseparable. Separating the two only leads to disaster.

When the state abandons God, every single time the state devolves into sexual immorality, which leads to paganism, which leads to baby murder and worse.

Freemasonic “religious liberty” is a false god.

I’ll pray for you.

 

[Peeps]

If, therefore there is such a thing as a right to life, it must accrue to every living human being. This sets up a simple, three-part test.

• Is the unborn child living? If it were not, we would not be having this debate!

• Is it human? Check the DNA. If it has rabbit or squirrel DNA, then it is not human. But if it has human DNA, it is human.

• But is it a being? Check the DNA again. If it has the mother’s DNA, then it is a part of her body. But if it has its own DNA, then it is a being – a separate and distinct human life.

Very clearly, the unborn has the same right to live as any other living human being. Who denies that, denies the whole concept of human rights.

Most non-scientists don’t learn much about science these days, even in public schools. Teaching about embryology is especially fuzzy. Think about all the theories about a “gay gene,” which has just recently been declared “non-existent” by one group of scientists…but scientists keep looking for it anyway! Scientists have a very hard time letting go of their “theories” and work very hard to prove what they want to believe.

And the result is a general distrust of science.

Think about all the questionable science that we have been fed over the years! One of the best examples is the 'low protein high carb" diet that was promulgated in the early 1980s–I actually had a poster up in my kitchen of the “Good Diet” which consisted of rice, potatoes, bread (lots of bread!), and pasta–this diet was supposed to make me healthy! And in ten years, my husband I went from being thin college athletes to 100-pounds overweight blobs! And what did we do? We ate more pasta, because that’s what SCIENCE said was the Ideal Diet.

It’s now been totally debunked.

This is just one example of how bad science has affected our everyday lives in our generation!

You all do realize that in the 1970s, the fear was that the earth was becoming colder and colder and we would eventually see a world-wide ice age.

I’ve worked in a hospital lab for almost 35 years now (microbiology) and I have seen plenty of lab instruments touted as “The Breakthrough in Healthcare” turn out to be total shams! Bad science.

So it’s no wonder that people distrust science, and when they read that life begins at conception, they doubt it, especially if there is any kind of religious teaching associated with it. If there’s one thing that people distrust more than science, it’s religion!

So what I’m saying is that people believe what they want to believe, and many people do NOT believe that an embryo can be considered a human being. I disagree with this–I think that basic embryology teaches humanity from conception–but who cares what I think? These days, it’s every one for themselves. Except for LGBTQ issues–these are totally scientific and everyone should believe everything that the LGBTQ community tells us

What a mess. God help us!

 

[F_Marturana]

Pornography is just one facet of the culture of death. Human beings are reduced to objects.

Pornography promotes fornication, another facet of the culture of death.

 

[Peeps]

The truth remains, no matter how many choose to ignore it. The problem remains. The campaign to overturn Roe v. Wade will continue.

Overturning Roe v. Wade will not make abortion illegal. it will simply return to the STATES the privilege of choosing to allow or disallow legal abortion.

I think this would be a great thing, and I believe many states would make abortion illegal, or at least curtail the types of legal abortions, which doesn’t stop the killing of human beings, but it’s a start.

Except in Illinois. We will continue ALL abortions and making the taxpayers help to pay for them. and exulting that we are the most progressive state in the Union when it comes to reproductive choice! All Hail, Michael Madigan!

 

[Peeps]

Yes. Make the US a theocracy. Problem solved.

This will not happen. And if it does, God help us. Which God and which Church will be the “leaders?” If you think it’s the Catholic Church, you’re dreaming. It will in all likelihood be a “State Church” that makes up its own theology that declares every kind of vice and sin “good and proper,” and condemns traditional Christian virtues and righteousness.

The U.S. is absolutely right to separate Church and State.

What needs to happen is that the Church needs to be the Church, and Christians need to live their Christianity in their daily lives, which many already do.

 

[SadPotato]

As for women who’s life is at risk if she goes to term, she is still expected to go to term. Miracles do happen.

The lack of compassion and depth of ignorance in this post is simply astounding. Yeah, play with sick women’s lives in the hope that a miracle occurs. Great plan.

Until it’s your daughter, of course.

Her giving her life to save the life of her child would make her a martyr just like St. Gianna.

You can’t be a martyr if you don’t have a choice in the matter. Gianna was given the option to save her own life, but instead chose the avenue that ensured her baby would survive. You just said that women living under your totalitarian theocracy would have no choice but to carry to term.

 

[SadPotato]

But if you observe @CarmeliteKnight he or she suggests exactly that. Scary thought.

Indeed.

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[SadPotato]

Let’s also point out that this would be a sin of presumption?

According to Catholic tenants, it certainly would be.

 

[Neithan]

It’s depressing that laws are now increasingly enacted to promote this evil. New Zealand, which had a healthy natural population growth — rare among westernized democracies — is one of the most recent to adopt accessible abortion legislation. We should not overlook the very real anti-human fears driving some of this legislation. Why is New Zealand now all of a sudden looking to kill babies? It’s not because of “women’s rights,” but fears about climate change and radical environmentalism. Many people now value animals and trees more than human beings. The existential contradiction doesn’t bother them.

 

[Maximus1]

You identify a problem no doubt. It is a bigger problem than I think you might be suggesting. What I mean by that is the impression that things are somehow " new" or " a modern problem" is given to much weight. In truth, abortion has been a problem for a long time and has received different treatment in different times. Even by the Church. Not looking to
" blame" here, but simply point out a larger layer of problems and doubts that a solution might be available to
" fix" these " times". One could say, THE FALL continues and we have done little to arrest it. ( And that would be a fair observation).
In terms of polls and opinion, these show a long way to go to change hearts. Your list is in fact very relevant. I think perception in a universal sense directly affects this single issue. And I think it is warranted to self reflect on what that perception is.
I have to be honest, perception of US, the CHURCH, is negative. It isn’t attractive. I think we are responsible for that.
We " appear" to be a society of " you can’t do that" always with hell as destination. That is an overgeneralization but it is accurate in generalization.
The typical response often justifies this message form. I agree the rules and boundaries are important to salvation. I don’t agree with the way it is presented. I grew in the church from the time I was 5 years old so I take no back seat to anyone in terms of my perception. We appear cruel. We appear judgemental. Unyielding. Oppressive. And similar. And I wonder why this is.
Being Catholic, I know as sure as anything, the reaction to these ideas are things like: It is necessary. Can’t compromise. And what is lost is I am not suggesting we do.
It shouldn’t be lost, reading the Gospel, that Jesus never seemed oppressive in his teaching. Read as he kind of meanders through places in the Gospel, his teachings are emancipating.
And the early church, it spreads so quickly. People were inspired and felt exhilaration. That’s why it spread. SAME MESSAGE! In fact, martyrs didn’t seem to reduce polls.
I would like the point to GYM ATTENDANCE. It can be percieved by some as a sort of sadistic necessary ritual of pain and resentment, or an exhilterating experience. You lift weights both ways is my point.
To change hearts on abortion is a much bigger task than the politics. It requires changing hearts about us.
Love one another as I have loved you . This is how they will know you are my deciples. It was made clear. We substituted " force" and " threat" and the idea of our own single server salvation. A perception that we judge us superior, when clearly we don’t act that way. And people are leaving.
You could blame the leaving on many things, but they did once come. And I have no doubt why they came is always potential and still there.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Pornography is just one facet of the culture of death. Human beings are reduced to objects.

Pornography promotes fornication, another facet of the culture of death.

But we don’t know how that relates to abortion.

 

[vern_humphrey]

So what I’m saying is that people believe what they want to believe, and many people do NOT believe that an embryo can be considered a human being.

It’s up to us, and I think I have provided a powerful tool – “Who rejects the right to life rejects ALL human rights.” Now can we make people understand that.

 

[F_Marturana]

You don’t know how fornication relates to abortion? Two unmarried , uncommitted people have relations. If they aren’t committed to each other, then they often see the child as an inconvenience.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The lack of compassion and depth of ignorance in this post is simply astounding. Yeah, play with sick women’s lives in the hope that a miracle occurs. Great plan.

Everett Koop, the former Surgeon General said that in all his long medical career he had never know of a case where abortion was necessary to save the mother’s life.