UK bans teaching of creationism in any school which receives public funding

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Now Wanderer, you should know that I believe that I think the Creation story is in part metaphorical, except of course for the fire breathing dragons, about which history clearly suggests that they burned down their own habitats, hastening their ultimate extinction. :bigyikes:
Yet we humans somehow survived. 🤷 And really? Burn their own habitats? Either your tongue’s really just stuck hard in your cheek or you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Even basic lore would tell you that dragons live in caves, mountains, and other dark, hot places. You can’t ‘burn’ them in the sense that you’re describing.

Then there’s the wings, their sentience, and don’t even get me started on their magical properties. Oh but, go ahead and keep resting your faith on their existence. Should there ever be hard evidence for them, I’d be one step closer to resurrecting an ancient killing machine that will serve as my instrument to world domination. 👍
 
Yet we humans somehow survived. 🤷 And really? Burn their own habitats? Either your tongue’s really just stuck hard in your cheek or you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Even basic lore would tell you that dragons live in caves, mountains, and other dark, hot places. You can’t ‘burn’ them in the sense that you’re describing.

Then there’s the wings, their sentience, and don’t even get me started on their magical properties. Oh but, go ahead and keep resting your faith on their existence. Should there ever be hard evidence for them, I’d be one step closer to resurrecting an ancient killing machine that will serve as my instrument to world domination. 👍
I believe they’re alive and well and living here in Wales!!
 
You are a good guy, or gal, Leaf. Each of us think the other has gone off the deep end. That’s all right. I will never understand or accept that something as complex as vision, hearing or blood clotting can evolve out of basically nothing. The one thing that I do know is that TOE is extremely dangerous to the faith. MANY millions have accepted the theory and have come to reject Christianity as a result. Of course, there are many other reasons, but I place TOE at the top of the list. Blessings, Rob
Maybe it’s dangerous to the faith because people are told that, if they accept it, it must inevitably conflict with faith? Because people argue against it by telling people that if they accept it, that must mean they no longer believe in the faith.

Can you imagine if people continually told you that if you believed in calculus you must not believe in the resurrection? That there is no way calculus can work rather than answers simply appearing, unless you also assume there are no miracles and no God? If people who did not understand calculus told you that you had to choose between calculus working and Salvation, and then some people who did understand calculus also said that calculus means there is no God, because obviously God would just magic the answers onto the page. This is pretty silly, right? But in that world, once you saw that calculus worked and made sense, it would be much harder to retain your faith, wouldn’t it? Not because of anything about calculus, nor anything about God, but because people kept insisting that you had to pick one.

In that universe, would it be more productive for you to try to stop anyone learning calculus, or for you to point out that there isn’t really any conflict between calculus and God?

I’m glad I live in the UK, where the only people I ever met who had faith and thought it conflicted with evolution were a couple of teenagers who moved from South Africa, when I was in school. We basically politely gaped at each other in incredulity. Nobody told me I had to choose between science and faith, and so I didn’t.
 
Maybe it’s dangerous to the faith because people are told that, if they accept it, it must inevitably conflict with faith? Because people argue against it by telling people that if they accept it, that must mean they no longer believe in the faith.

Can you imagine if people continually told you that if you believed in calculus you must not believe in the resurrection? That there is no way calculus can work rather than answers simply appearing, unless you also assume there are no miracles and no God? If people who did not understand calculus told you that you had to choose between calculus working and Salvation, and then some people who did understand calculus also said that calculus means there is no God, because obviously God would just magic the answers onto the page. This is pretty silly, right? But in that world, once you saw that calculus worked and made sense, it would be much harder to retain your faith, wouldn’t it? Not because of anything about calculus, nor anything about God, but because people kept insisting that you had to pick
In that universe, would it be more productive for you to try to stop anyone learning calculus, or for you to point out that there isn’t really any conflict between calculus and God?

I’m glad I live in the UK, where the only people I ever met who had faith and thought it conflicted with evolution were a couple of teenagers who moved from South Africa, when I was in school. We basically politely gaped at each other in incredulity. Nobody told me I had to choose between science and faith, and so I didn’t.
You’re absolutely right! My Catholic (scientist) father taught me about evolution through finding fossils. He also explained how the story of Adam and Eve was a metaphor to explain the human condition. It in no way contradicted his strong faith. If a religious faith depends on one interpretation of a set of stories, it’s gone wrong somewhere. You can say it’s OK for individuals to cling to their beliefs in the face of the obvious…but I now believe it is a form of child abuse to keep children from the facts and to fill their impressionable heads with pseudo science to fit the story interpretations. In NO way am I happy that it’s happening in any of our schools in this day and age.
 
Yet we humans somehow survived. 🤷 And really? Burn their own habitats? Either your tongue’s really just stuck hard in your cheek or you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Even basic lore would tell you that dragons live in caves, mountains, and other dark, hot places. You can’t ‘burn’ them in the sense that you’re describing.

Then there’s the wings, their sentience, and don’t even get me started on their magical properties. Oh but, go ahead and keep resting your faith on their existence. Should there ever be hard evidence for them, I’d be one step closer to resurrecting an ancient killing machine that will serve as my instrument to world domination. 👍
I did not think anyone would believe that comment! :doh2: But, I got my good laugh for the day, so thanks! Blessings, Rob
 
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