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ringil
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The language inventors on the extreme Right. Breitbart, Lifesitenews, Conservapedia, WND. Those kinds of places.
Stay around CAF- you will learn all kinds of “fascinating” things!
UK bans teaching of creationism in any school which receives public funding
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Stay around CAF- you will learn all kinds of “fascinating” things!
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TEPO
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Scientism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
…as for my understanding of evolution, I’m not sure what the issue is there -clearly I understand that science considers the ability to ‘change’ as part of it as well as the ability to ‘remain the same’. Where the break in continuity is I don’t know.
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TEPO
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Things usually tend to get an “ism” attached to them when they become radically influential or obtain an large group following. But we don’t whine about the term “Catholicism”.
But please understand, “scientism” has much more to do with method than it does with science as a whole. In fact it has nothing to do with general science unless you cannot see a separation between science and the method.
…but if I were Webster, j would have called it Scientific Methodism to be more clear.
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Kelt
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I don’t think there is a break in continuity in evolution…Scientism: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
…as for my understanding of evolution, I’m not sure what the issue is there -clearly I understand that science considers the ability to ‘change’ as part of it as well as the ability to ‘remain the same’. Where the break in continuity is I don’t know.
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TEPO
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The reason there are left sided “progressives” and right sided “traditionalists” can be traced back to genetics and evolution. As humans, we are like amplifiers of life itself.
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TEPO
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You said my understanding of evolution was “sketchy”. I’m trying to figure that out by looking for differences in my understanding of evolution and what evolution ‘is’. I see no break in continuity between the T of E and my understanding of it.
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kozlosap
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LOL!! Yep, just look to the The USA to find that the earth is 5000 years old and that dinosaurs never existed, etc, etc, etc,! I have no problem with creationism being banned from public schools.
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Skeptic92
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I haven’t read all the posts in this thread that use the term scientism, so unsure if it has been used correctly, but it does have a valid Philosophical meaning.
Scientism refers to an epistemological and metaphysical system, roughly equivalent to Logical Positivism. The base premise of scientism is that the Scientific Method alone gives us a valid means of acquiring knowledge, with the presupposition of metaphysical naturalism (rather than just methodological naturalism) sneaked in through the back door. This makes the whole system is ultimately self-refuting or only trivially true once the terms and concepts are properly expanded.
It does have a few able defenders in modern Philosophy, but not many. The critiques of the system have been very damning to the point I’d say it has been refuted. The best example I can think off my head is Edward Feser Scholastic Metaphysics Chapter 0; which is a clear refutation.
EDIT: Also it is a good thing Creationism has been banned from schools; we shouldn’t be teaching bad Theology and bad Philosophy as if it were true.
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Kelt
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I’m not sure what all the fuss is about…it seems that some people are so afraid that scientific discoveries will rock their theological boats that they use obfuscatory language including large dollops of philosophy when trying to discredit the discipline.Things usually tend to get an “ism” attached to them when they become radically influential or obtain an large group following. But we don’t whine about the term “Catholicism”.
But please understand, “scientism” has much more to do with method than it does with science as a whole. In fact it has nothing to do with general science unless you cannot see a separation between science and the method.
…but if I were Webster, j would have called it Scientific Methodism to be more clear.
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Path_Finder
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Glad you enlightened us on this topic.
Let us see, who is the major Young Earth Creationist in the world today?
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Path_Finder
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LOL, right, it’s only to be found in the United States.LOL!! Yep, just look to the The USA to find that the earth is 5000 years old and that dinosaurs never existed, etc, etc, etc,! I have no problem with creationism being banned from public schools.
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Kelt
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But where does he live and work? Kentucky!!Glad you enlightened us on this topic.
Let us see, who is the major Young Earth Creationist in the world today?
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Path_Finder
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So? What does that mean? He shouldn’t have freedom of speech? Perhaps he only has that freedom in America.
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Path_Finder
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Cough, cough, ahem.
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Path_Finder
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Can you be more specific? Who are you accusing of waving the flag with a rah rah attitude?
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Skeptic92
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They are not Darwinian Evolutionists, therefore they are creationists…non-sequitur, I’m not a Darwinian Evolutionist, and I reject creationism as philosophically and theologically incoherent.
It appears false dichotomy, you and the Guardian have made one.
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TEPO
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That’s just not it at all…
. If that were true, it wouldn’t be philosophers doing the fussing it would just be theologians.…and you’re not understanding the difference between science and the scientific method. Try this. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_science
…science is not scientific method. Nobody is opposed to the scientific method, just the way it has swallowed up science entirely.
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Path_Finder
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The article hardly proves your point. In fact, your statement looks in fact the opposite of what the article conveys.
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TEPO
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Mostly it’s been the Europeans waving their rah rah flag here. Slamming the US every chance they get.
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Skeptic92
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Intelligent Design is still Darwinian in the most relevant sense; it’s materialist and very bad philosophy.
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