UK: Conservatives predicted to win election with commanding majority

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So, the exit poll is looking as though it was right. Constituencies which have always voted Labour have switched to the Conservatives. Johnson has been re-elected as an MP (there was a little doubt for some time). Corbyn has announced he won’t lead Labour in another general election. Jo Swinson, leader of the Lib Dems, has lost her seat to the SNP.
 
Yes, Corbyn has announced he will stay for a “process of reflection” and then make way for a new leader.

Just to say though, Labour has held Bishop Auckland continuously since 1935 (and did from in 1910 with a brief break in 1931-5) not since the constituency was created 🙂. The Labour Party itself was established in 1900, before 1910 it was held by the Liberal Party. It’s never voted Conservative before though.
 
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Lol

Didn’t Britain establish colonies in what was to become the US ? That’s imperialism isn’t it ?

Britain made us what we are !
 
Yes, Corbyn has announced he will stay for a “process of reflection” and then make way for a new leader.
Hopefully, reflecting on the fact that the most significant change factor was the fall in the Labour vote - the landslide-winning Tories are 1% up on 2017, Labour are 8% down. Meanwhile, on a disastrous night for the Liberal Democrats in terms of seats, they were up 4% in share of the vote.

The idea that there’s a future for the party in prioritising those traditionally Labour-voting ‘Leavers’ who voted Tory this time at the expense of Labour-voting ‘Remainers’ would seem very doubtful.
 
Hmm, perhaps that explains why Brits break perfectly good made in USA guitars ?

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I was wondering what they were mad at !
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Oh dear, what a dreadful morning. Now I suppose we have to move on, and try to save the United Kingdom.
NI and Scotland independence? Nice thought, that. But I highly doubt either of them will be admitted to the EU on their own as that would set a precedent some other EU countries would rather not see
If Scotland votes for independence, which the result of this election shows to be increasingly likely, she will most certainly be admitted to the EU.

Northern Ireland? Unwise to predict how the Unionists will proceed now that they have been betrayed by the Conservative and Unionist Party.
 
Maybe next time, don’t run someone who is said to have said anti-semitic things, called Hamas and Hezbollah friends and attended an IRA event instead of somehow blaming America for all of this and attacking the US.
 
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Well, Victoria, my party didn’t do any of those things. It got more than a million extra votes over last time … and a bloody nose.
The joys of first-past-the-post. My sincere commiserations. First-past-the-post is disgracefully unrepresentative.
NI and Scotland independence? Nice thought, that.


https://www.ft.com/content/e4b113f0-5552-11e9-91f9-b6515a54c5b1
# Goodbye EU, and goodbye the United Kingdom

The invented identity of ‘Britishness’ is unravelling as English nationalism takes hold

The Brexit story was supposed to be about leaving the EU. It has turned into a runaway national crisis. The forces driving Brexit look set to sweep away much more than the institutional machinery, economic relationships and political ties created during decades of EU membership. Goodbye to Brussels is shaping up as the first act in a two-part drama. The second may well wave goodbye to the UK.

Leaving the EU — Independence Day, the Brexiters call it — is rooted as much in nostalgia as in the populist revolt against elites and outsiders that has supplied the European debate with such visceral anger. Hence the Brexiters’ fantasy of a new “Global Britain” and the ubiquitous allusions to the second world war and Winston Churchill’s readiness to stand alone. The bluster conceals a cry of pain…

Brexit is an English rather than a British enterprise. More specifically, it belongs overwhelmingly to provincial England. With the exception of Birmingham, the nation’s great cities — London, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle among them — were on the side of Remain. They were outvoted by Leavers in smaller English cities and towns and in rural areas. Scotland backed Remain by a large margin. Pace the Brexiters of the Democratic Unionist party, Northern Ireland voted for continued EU membership. Wales followed England out. Scotland voted in 2014 to stay in the union of the UK. It is hard to imagine it would do the same in another referendum. Five years ago, unionism offered proud Scots two supplementary identities. They could be at once British and European. After Brexit it will be either/or. The 1707 union with England handed Scotland an international role as a partner in empire. Outside of the EU it will be cut off from the rest of Europe…

Scotland wants more newcomers to oil the wheels of the economy. Why would that nation, with a political culture steeped in social market centrism, shackle itself to the rule of English nationalists?

Nothing has done so much as Brexit to reopen the question of Irish unification. Britishness is an invented identity. It is deliberately expansive, calculated during the 19th century to cast empire as a joint project of the four nations of the UK.

To watch Britain’s descent into chaos in recent times has been to see the threads of Britishness, woven over centuries, unravel. Identity politics has elbowed aside common purpose.
 
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I don’t think there’s a serious commentator around today, in Britain, who doesn’t believe that Irish Reunification and Scottish Independence are now the ones to beat. It won’t come immediately, but the direction of travel is clear.

Anything else is, I’m afraid to say, for the birds. British Unionism, as a viable political - social - and cultural glue as well as a majority national identity (even if in the dead letter of the law it still exists at present) is utterly dead. Deader than dead.

We are at dissolution of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia-level stuff now, and that’s no kidding nor vain hope from me. You’ll believe it when you see, but here on the ground I know it.

In 2014, when the last Scottish Independence referendum was held, I was a passionate young British Unionist and (at the time, newly) former Tory voter. Think on that just for a moment. Me.

Do you know which party I voted for last night? The SNP, for the first time in my entire life.

Here is what I wrote, on this very forum, 5 years ago in 2014 (which now seems like an aeon ago in a faraway, almost mythical land):
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We need more devolution, not independence.
I distrust the sort of nationalism I see espoused by the SNP and the Yes campaign. What I admire about Britain is that it is a country comprised of multiple nationalities and ethnic groups. I feel that an overarching ‘British’ identity, held together not by ethnicity or nationalism as such, but by shared civic institutions, values and political traditions is a restraint on the ‘nationalisms’ of the English, Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish and perhaps Cornish as well.
Look at the person I am now: the last five years of pre-and-post Brexit trauma have led to a total repudiation of nearly everything I once held, believed and identified myself with.

In the years since 2016, I’ve been a half-hearted but still earnest British Unionist. Last night, I passed the rubicon and voted for Scottish independence in the European Union, as did many, many other Scottish unionists.

The fact is, that there wasn’t one UK-wide ‘election’ last night, with a ‘national’ picture - no matter what the legal formalities dictate.

No - socially and demographically, there were three entirely atomised and self-contained elections taking place in England/Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland with hugely divergent political configurations, cultural dynamics and end-results.

In Scotland: the British Unionist parties - Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems - were soundly defeated by Nicola Sturgeon’s SNP which ran on a clear ‘Stop Brexit / Remain’ and ‘pro-independence’ ticket. This is a recording of her reaction last night:

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In Northern Ireland - Pro-EU Nationalist MPs now outnumber Unionists for the first time since the partition in 1922.

In England - there was a resounding Tory Brexiteer victory.
 
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If Scotland votes for independence, which the result of this election shows to be increasingly likely, she will most certainly be admitted to the EU.
When push comes to shove, Spain is more likely to block Scotland than not.

The Spanish are repressing the Catalonians in their own backyard, hence any approval of Scotland could be seen as encouraging the Catalonians and the Spanish government definitely want no part of that. Look at how they came down on the Catalonian leaders. So it will take a hard shove and some horse trading from Brussels to get the Spanish to change their minds. Not saying it can’t happen, but that’s the situation you’re ignoring in your wishful thinking.
 
When push comes to shove, Spain is more likely to block Scotland than not.
Regardless, we will be leaving the UK this decade.

The debate is now a larger one about our inability to determine the government we actually vote for and self-rule, with the matter of EU membership being a huge spur / the defining moment but not the only issue.

The UK is unsustainable as a country now given the clear divergence of the cultures and political systems of its constituent nations.

But on that EU question, the Spanish have changed their tune somewhat on that veto, and the key thing is that Merkel and Macron (the real power-brokers in the EU) are sympathetic to Scotland’s accession.

If you really think they’re going to admit more Balkan countries but not us…
 
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Regardless, we will be leaving the UK this decade.
Think you meant next decade. But I agree. Still many obstacles though. For instance, Scotland is still quite dependent on Westminster for a substantial portion of its spending and that will have to be addressed.
The debate is now a larger one about our inability to determine the government we actually vote for and self-rule, with the matter of EU membership being a huge spur / the defining moment but not the only issue.
That’s the exact same problem as in provincial England that led them to vote for independence from Brussels. Now it’s Scotland wanting to vote (again) for independence from Westminster. What we’re seeing here is a trend toward decentralization of national and supranational government entities. The breakup of Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia was just the beginning. Today it’s Catalonia, Ukraine and Scotland. Tomorrow it will be someone else.

I see Sturgeon and the SNP as wanting to jump from one dependency to another one with no real thought as to true Scottish independence.
But on that EU question, the Spanish have changed their tune somewhat on that veto, and the key thing is that Merkel and Macron (the real power-brokers in the EU) are sympathetic to Scotland’s accession.
In other words, Merkel and Macron will strong arm the Spanish into doing their bidding, Spanish issues with Catalonia be darned. Or maybe they will promise the Spanish their support against Catalonian independence.
 
Yes, Corbyn has announced he will stay for a “process of reflection” and then make way for a new leader.

Just to say though, Labour has held Bishop Auckland continuously since 1935 (and did from in 1910 with a brief break in 1931-5) not since the constituency was created 🙂. The Labour Party itself was established in 1900, before 1910 it was held by the Liberal Party. It’s never voted Conservative before though.
I cannot imagine why the party would want him to stay on ten more minutes, but since Momentum basically controls Labour now, I guess the rest of the party is just out of luck.

We had a similar thing here in Canada, where the Conservative leader Andrew Scheer vowed to stay on even though he’d lost an election that should have been his to win (what with Trudeau’s blackface gaffes, charges of corruption over SNC Lavalin, and assorted other missteps). Of course, large sections of the Conservative Party revolted openly or in quiet, and in the end they finally drove him out yesterday (over party funds used to pay for his kids’ private school).

Andrew Scheer only lost one election. When you factor in local elections, this is the fifth straight election where Corbyn has been unable to capitalize on a divided Conservative Party. Time and time again the polling has made it clear that the most significant obstacle to Labour victory is Corbyn himself, so the idea that he should stick around for some indefinite period of “reflection” is absurd. He has failed at every test, and he should be shoved out the door as quickly as possible. In no way should he or his allies have anything to do with any post-election review, because they’ll do everything in their power to shift blame and try to stack the deck for a new leadership contest.

This is the 1980s all over again. Corbyn is an even more inept version of Michael Foot, and in the end, between the SDP split and Militant trying to take over the party, the final solution was exorcising the far left from the party. If Labour had done the job properly, Jeremy Corbyn wouldn’t even have been a Labour MP by the time Ed Miliband quit.
 
Think you meant next decade. But I agree. Still many obstacles though. For instance, Scotland is still quite dependent on Westminster for a substantial portion of its spending and that will have to be addressed.
The main issue to address would the deficit post-independence (the EU requires that it must not exceed 3% of national GDP), but it is not an insurmountable issue - as one can see by having a look at Ireland’s recovery in becoming the ‘Celtic Tiger’ after the Eurozone sovereign debt crisis.

There will need to be a strong focus on attracting business by using Scotland as another foothold, like Ireland, in the British Isles for companies looking to sell throughout the Single Market and benefit from its passporting rights / borderless free trade.

The SNP have been in government in Scotland since 2007 - and have, in that time, overseen the biggest transfer of powers from Westminster to Holyrood in its history. They have proven themselves generally competent economic managers, as is evident from the fact that after 12 years in government, they have just received another megavote (80% of available seats, which is quite unprecedented in most Western democracies). They are not ‘newbies’ to the game.

If the power-brokers in Europe are hospitable to our accession (as they are in Germany and France), then they will make sure we are able to get through this transition phase soundly and in an orderly fashion.

The political will is there on the part of the Scottish people and - especially - in Germany. And that matters. i.e.


He married in a kilt, supports Rangers, drinks Irn-Bru and speaks English with a gentle Scottish lilt, all of which might not be so unusual were it not for the fact that David McAllister could one day be the chancellor of Germany.
But more than that, the SNP have pitch-perfect messaging / marketing:

Unlike Remainers in England and Wales, they managed to garner the support not only of most Scottish youth but many, many older voters.

But really, the basic truth is that the United Kingdom is yesterday’s news. The Westminster Parliament is literally in dilapidation at the moment and is getting a major repair, which is the perfect image for the state of the ‘union’ as a whole.
 
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