Ukraine (cont.)

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Ok, you guys need to watch this, it’s more or less a segment on the Russian Ambassador in Canada (watch what he says to the Canadian reporter, disgusting).

sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/putting-an-end-to-the-propaganda-on-ukraine/3500590990001/page/2

The next segment is also worthy of watching in that it refers to the torture of certain Ukrainian nationalists at the hands of pro-Russian/Russians in Donetsk as a means to silence them and/or others who wish to remain Ukrainian.
 
Reports of Russian military fighters flying over Ukrainian airspace several times today.

Putin has also halted all talks with the White House and President Obama. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel can’t get his calls returned from his counterpart in Russia Sergey Shoigu. In Obama’s last talk with Putin, Putin unbelievably denied Russian interference in eastern Ukraine and said that such speculations are based on inaccurate information.

thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/25/exclusive-putin-halts-all-talks-with-white-house.html

How can Putin get away with such falsehoods? The evidence of Russian GRU, FSB, and special forces in Eastern Ukraine is pretty substantial now, including video evidence and Russian agents being caught in Ukraine. Putin lied about Crimea before; i.e there are no covert Russian troops there. When the sham election in Crimea at the barrel of Russian guns finished he admitted: oh, yeah, they were there all along. Now he’s repeating the same maskarovka in Eastern Ukraine. But why be surprised. Putin is KGB.

The Kremlin lying machine at times appears surreal. According to Reuters:

"*the chief of the Russian general staff voiced concern on Friday to the top U.S. military officer over the situation in southeastern Ukraine and the loss of life in a Ukrainian operation there this week, the Interfax news agency reported.

In a telephone call, Russian General Valery Gerasimov told U.S. General Martin Dempsey that Ukraine had deployed a “substantial group of forces” near the Russian border, including troops whose purpose was to conduct sabotage, Interfax said.*"

reuters.com/article/2014/04/25/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-military-idUSBREA3O1SG20140425

Now this is just insane. Ukrainian troops crossing the border into Russia to commit sabotage?! Ukrainian troops didn’t fire back in Crimea whilst under Russian attack; Ukrainian troops halted columns of their own armed vehicles in Donetsk so as not to attack civilians along the way to take back government buildings occupied by the heavily-armed pro-Russia thugs.

And now this official lie from the Chief of the Russian General Staff of why Russian troops are massing on Ukraine’s borders. There isn’t a chance in heck the Ukrainian army, weak as it is, and up until now reticent to defend its territory, is going to suddenly and brazenly cross into Russia and commit sabotage. This is a LIE, and an official Russian one at that; and it does unfortunately remind one of Nazi Germany’s excuses for invading Poland in 1939 on the basis of another Big Lie that it was the Poles who attacked the Germans first. This whole situation now is not just ridiculous but incredibly, incredibly dangerous when the country with the world’s largest nuclear arsenal, Russia, starts lying that its territory is in danger of being sabotaged by a foreign country.

I recall listening to Putin talk on TV some weeks back with a friend, a pretty unemotional smart guy, not given to overstatement, who upon finishing listening to Putin’s press-conference said of Putin: “Oh, my God. Look this guy needs help. And I mean psychological help. This is crazy”.

And don’t be took quick to dismiss this please (after all German Chancellor Merkel said Putin had become irrational and was in another world). As if countries in the past haven’t been ruled by leaders who have lost touch with reality and become quasi-delusional, leaders of Russia being no exception especially. Putin is surrounded by sycophants now, nobody can really deny this; he is an autocrat whose whim and desire is subject to nobody in Russia. He became a man in the conspiratorial xenophobic world of the Soviet KGB. According to KGB defector Boris Volodarsky, Putin was behind the radioactive poisoning of anti-Putin activist Litvinenko in London, England and on his orders Litvinenko was assassinated purposefully by the slow and incredibly painful method of death by radioactive polonium poisoning, which polonium could only have come to London from Putin’s Russia. Who takes joy in watching an opponent die a slow death? Putin discussing another FSB defector said something along the lines of how it never ends well for traitors, as if being anti-Putin meant being anti-Russian.

Exhibit one of Putin’s megalomania: Look at the coins Putin has had just now produced to mark Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

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A COMMEMORATIVE SILVER coin with the face of Russian President Vladimir Putin on it has been unveiled to mark the incorporation of Crimea into Russia.
A map of the Crimean Peninsula is depicted on the reverse side.
The BBC reports that the coin weighs one kilograme and is a limited edition of 500 silver coins which have been called ‘The Gatherer of Russian Lands’.
They state that some of the coins may be sold, but the won’t be used as currency.
thejournal.ie/putin-coin-russia-crimea-1428918-Apr2014/?utm_source=twitter_self

Apparently, Putin will have these coins of himself gifted to his higher-ups and buddies. How humble of him.

The crazy thing is is that with Russia’s controlled press, Putin’s approval ratings may go up with the support of unlimited Russian propaganda praising him for defending Mother Russia from phantasmagoric enemies, but it will be the common Russian citizen who will suffer now, and his or her children. All this needless war-mongering (Obama has taken the military option completely off the Ukraine issue) spells doom for the Russian economy. Russia has massive internal problems: corruption, rampant alcoholism, moral problems, public infrastructure, the broken health system, over-reliance on gas for revenue all of which may turn out to be fateful if Putin chooses to go down the expansionist warpath. Putin clearly enjoys militarism and self-aggrandizement.
 
Isn’t that attitude representative of all nations when you come down to it??
No.

History shows that some countries go to the defence of their allies even if it isn’t in their interests and America ignores their allies but will help an enemy (Iraq) if it is in their interest (v. Iran).
 
Exhibit one of Putin’s megalomania: Look at the coins Putin has had just now produced to mark Russia’s annexation of Crimea.

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thejournal.ie/putin-coin-russia-crimea-1428918-Apr2014/?utm_source=twitter_self

Apparently, Putin will have these coins of himself gifted to his higher-ups and buddies. How humble of him.
About those medals/coins… Interesting choice of dates on them.
Reports first emerged on the Facebook page of Volodimir Prosin, a historian and journalist from the Luhansk region of Ukraine, showing photographs and documents about a medal being awarded by the Russian government to former Ukrainians. On one side of the silver medallion is a raised image of the outline of the Crimean peninsula. The controversy, though, is on the flipside of the coin.
On that side, there’s an emblem of the Russian Federation’s ministry of defense. Below that, this inscription: “For the return of Crimea 20.02.14 - 18.03.14.”
Yet how could the dates of Crimea’s “liberation” have begun on February 20th?
An image of the medal was quickly removed from the Russian defense ministry’s website after the ceremony on March 25, but the damage was done. How could Crimea have been “liberated” in an operation beginning on February 20, the day on which a bloody assault against the Maidan protesters began in Kiev, killing nearly 100 people? Even more perplexing is that Viktor Yanukovych was still officially the president of Ukraine and Crimea on February 20. So how could this operation have begun on that day, while he was still president—or more importantly, why?
thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/25/putin-s-crimean-medal-of-honor-forged-before-the-war-even-began.html
 
Also on the Daily Beast’s website is this lovely story about a movie that recently aired on Russian TV:
Even amid the increasing surreality of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, ultranationalist MP Vladimir Zhirinovsky’s tirade against a pregnant reporter who asked a question about Ukraine stood out.
Besides telling the woman she shouldn’t work while pregnant, instructing a male aide to rape her, and shouting, “Damned lesbian!” at another female reporter who tried to rebuke him, Zhirinovsky lashed out at the women of Ukraine’s pro-independence Maidan movement, assailing them as sex-starved harpies. “There’s going to be a film about you, The Furies of Maidan,” he railed, apparently taking the female journalists for Maidan sympathizers. “You’ve all got uterine frenzy, the women of Maidan,” he ranted. “If it weren’t for this uterine frenzy, there wouldn’t be any Maidan.”
Zhirinovsky, who has apologized for his outburst at last week’s press conference and faces likely censure by the Duma, Russia’s parliament, is known for his outrageous antics. But it turns out The Furies of Maidan is not a figment of his imagination. It is a real “investigative report” that aired last Saturday on NTV, one of Russia’s major television networks. Subtitled “Sex, Psychosis, and Politics,” the 30-minute feature makes exactly the same point as Zhirinovsky’s rant: that the displaced energy of sexually frustrated or pathological women was a driving force behind Ukraine’s Euromaidan revolution. In the dramatic words of the 45-second promo: “They like it hard. They are turned on by danger. And woe to anyone who fails to appreciate them.”
thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/25/want-a-good-look-at-putin-s-pervy-propaganda-see-the-furies-of-maidan.html

I won’t post the details of what the program alleges – you can read it for yourself at the Daily Beast link, if desired – but suffice it to say the program makes sexual allegations against basically every prominent woman involved in the Maidan movement.
 
Also on the Daily Beast’s website is this lovely story about a movie that recently aired on Russian TV:

thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/25/want-a-good-look-at-putin-s-pervy-propaganda-see-the-furies-of-maidan.html

I won’t post the details of what the program alleges – you can read it for yourself at the Daily Beast link, if desired – but suffice it to say the program makes sexual allegations against basically every prominent woman involved in the Maidan movement.
Politics is a bully’s school yard for adults.
 
No.

History shows that some countries go to the defence of their allies even if it isn’t in their interests and America ignores their allies but will help an enemy (Iraq) if it is in their interest (v. Iran).
Hogwash, every country has been guilty of self-serving attitudes (some more than others, but all are guilty). And I would suggest you take the plank out of your BRITISH eye before you take the SPLINTER out of America’s.

God bless!
 
Hogwash, every country has been guilty of self-serving attitudes (some more than others, but all are guilty). And I would suggest you take the plank out of your BRITISH eye before you take the SPLINTER out of America’s.

God bless!
Don’t say: “That person gets on my nerves.” Think: “That person sanctifies me.” St. Josemaria Escriva
 
Hogwash, every country has been guilty of self-serving attitudes (some more than others, but all are guilty). And I would suggest you take the plank out of your BRITISH eye before you take the SPLINTER out of America’s.

God bless!
+1

It seems that we get a lot of opprobrium from England, but we as a nation are just doing exactly what our colonial progenitors spent the 1700s and 1800s doing. And would still be doing, if they had the means.

ICXC NIKA
 
Also on the Daily Beast’s website is this lovely story about a movie that recently aired on Russian TV:

thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/25/want-a-good-look-at-putin-s-pervy-propaganda-see-the-furies-of-maidan.html

I won’t post the details of what the program alleges – you can read it for yourself at the Daily Beast link, if desired – but suffice it to say the program makes sexual allegations against basically every prominent woman involved in the Maidan movement.
Thanks Anastasia. Vladimir Zhirinovsky has been the Deputy Leader of Russia’s Duma twice under Putin and he heads an ultra-nationalist Russian radical party which received 12.5% of Russian voters’ support in the last Duma Election. Speaking of the Russian TV program you linked to, I came across this recent video of Vladimir Zhirinovsky’s press conference where he demands a Russian male by his side go rape the accompanying female Russian reporters and then begins yelling at these Russian females: “Christ is Risen”; “Truly He is Risen” twice and shoves this male and others at the females to accost them. It’s shocking to see and it comes from one of the Russian government’s head trouble-makers in Crimea and Ukraine in general.

I wasn’t sure whether to post it, but look, this thread is discussing a real dangerous situation of the highest level: a war instigated by the Kremlin where potentially hundreds if not thousands of people could die, innocents, kids. Ukrainian Prime Minister Yatseniuk (who met Pope Francis today at the Vatican) has said Putin could start World War Three.

In these circumstances, I believe it of the utmost importance to reveal the true mindset of those in the Russian government and Duma who are itching for war with Ukraine. Vladimir Zhirinovsky is the leader of an extremist Russian nationalist party which works hand-in-glove with Vladimir Putin and Putin with it in running Russia when the need arises. Zhirinovsky’s party had its beginnings as an FSB front.

When the Crimean criminal underworld figure Aksyonov flew to Moscow before his selection by Putin as the leader of Crimea he was welcomed by Zhirinovsky, Russian Communist leader Zyuganov, and Putin’s point man on Ukraine, an inveterate Russian imperialist Sergey Glazyev. Zhirinovsky often traveled to Crimea to cause a pro-Russian ruckus. Putin has outlawed democratic parties in Russia, yet he allows Zhirinovsky and his party full status and has them commit all sorts of pro-Russian shenanigans.

Just a warning then to those then, this video of said Zhirinovsky shows the man in full vitriol and crudity so be prepared if you click it:
youtube.com/watch?v=VrEs6clmJ-8

I post the link not out of any shock value, but for people on this thread to truly understand some of the people the Ukrainian government is personally confronting from the Russian government and their mentality. Zhirinovsky was all hyped-up on that Russian news channel’s (controlled by Putin) unbelievable and rude analysis of females and the Ukrainian Maidan movement, although he has made incredibly disgusting remarks throughout his career.
 
Thanks Anastasia. You know I came across this recent video of Vladimir Zhirinovsky’s press conference where he demands a Russian male by his side go rape the accompanying female Russian reporters and then begins yelling at these Russian females: “Christ is Risen”; “Truly He is Risen” twice and shoves this male and others at the females to accost them. This man, Zhirinovsky, was twice Vice-Speaker of the Russian Duma under Putin.
By the way, one of the Russian reporters was pregnant, and it was to her that Zhirinovsky pushed and then yelled at the Russian male to rape while saying "Christ is Risen (how revolting). It’s in the video/website I posted on the last page (it’s a segment on the Russian ambassador in Canada, but they show a clip of the video which you described).
 
By the way, one of the Russian reporters was pregnant, and it was to her that Zhirinovsky pushed and then yelled at the Russian male to rape while saying "Christ is Risen (how revolting). It’s in the video/website I posted on the last page (it’s a segment on the Russian ambassador in Canada, but they show a clip of the video which you described).
Oh, yeah, sorry Josie. 😊 I saw excerpts of the Russian ambassador’s speech in Toronto on TV but forgot to look at your Sun News link. Heck, I am glad you’re on this thread though. 🙂 🙂

I’m still pretty impressed at your knowledge of Ukrainian politics, which again raises the doubt in my head that perhaps you are really Ukrainian Canadian like me and not Italian-Canadian, as you claim. 😉
 
Oh, yeah, sorry Josie. 😊 I saw excerpts of the Russian ambassador’s speech in Toronto on TV but forgot to look at your Sun News link. Heck, I am glad you’re on this thread though. 🙂 🙂
I didn’t say what I said to make you feel bad, Andrew, so there’s nothing to be sorry for. I was just telling you that I had heard of this Zhirinovsky because it was mentioned in the link I provided.
I’m still pretty impressed at your knowledge of Ukrainian politics, which again raises the doubt in my head that perhaps you are really Ukrainian Canadian like me and not Italian-Canadian, as you claim. 😉
I crammed lots of info regarding the Ukraine after the situation with Euro Maidan, otherwise my knowledge of Ukrainian politics/history was limited.

P.S. Maybe I have some Ukrainian DNA in me, who knows? 😃
 
I crammed lots of info regarding the Ukraine after the situation with Euro Maidan, otherwise my knowledge of Ukrainian politics/history was limited.

P.S. Maybe I have some Ukrainian DNA in me, who knows? 😃
😃

Anyway, thanks for the clip josie. Just finished watching it. I’ve seen Ezra Levant and Michael Coren discussing Ukraine on Sun News, but I think this Faith Goldy really knows her stuff. First time I’ve watched her on Sun.

p.s. boy that Russian ambassador to Canada is something else, telling Faith Goldy “honey, lady, relax go see a shrink” or along those lines. Nice. Funny thing this ambassador was either on Global or CTV when this Ukraine crisis escalated and I remember his lies that Russia had no plans on Crimea, Ukraine, don’t worry, etc.
 
About those medals/coins… Interesting choice of dates on them.
Yes, I heard about that somewhere before but thanks for finding the story. It goes a bit to showing how much Russian actions have been preplanned.

For instance, one keeps on hearing on TV of the towns in the Donbas seized by the anti-Ukrainian pro-Russian armed thugs: Sloviansk, Kramatorsk. I’m Ukrainian and, until now, I hadn’t heard of these towns, not that I would have in any event. But they seem central to whatever is being planned out by the Kremlin. Up until recently, I naively assumed they are just random places that have become hotspots.

Turns out I was wrong. The reporter Ben Judah recently in NY Review pointed out that all these towns where there has been serious trouble lay at strategic rail and road junctions on the main road from Belgorod in Russia, where 35,000 Russian troops remain almost at hair-trigger to attack. This road runs south to Kharkiv through Sloviansk to Donetsk and all the way to Mariupol on the Black Sea. In the towns on this road, one Ukrainian Security Service or police building after another has been attacked by those heavily-armed Russian “little green men” or pro-Russian separatists - same pattern.

In other words, it is quite probable that these places like Sloviansk that you hear on the news are not just some random town that spontaneously saw a local storming of its police and security buildings, but that these places have all been selected a head of time by the Russian Military General Staff and Putin as being strategically important for a successful Russian invasion of Ukraine and that they must be secured by local “helpers” ahem on the ground with the assistance of Russian special forces.

Up until now the West has been practicing a reactive foreign policy to Putin’s active policy. It’s high time the West stopped acting reactively, but take the initiative and throw Putin on the back heel, in my opinion.
 
😃

Anyway, thanks for the clip josie. Just finished watching it. I’ve seen Ezra Levant and Michael Coren discussing Ukraine on Sun News, but I think this Faith Goldy really knows her stuff. First time I’ve watched her on Sun.
She was filling in for Michael Coren, and she’s been on his news show for awhile now, i.e., there is a segment on his show (once a week) where she and Milahovich (another Sun News correspondent) debate the Ukrainian situation. It’s pretty interesting! She’s Ukrainian Catholic and he is Serbian Orthodox. 😃
p.s. boy that Russian ambassador to Canada is something else, telling Faith Goldy “honey, lady, relax go see a shrink” or along those lines. Nice. Funny thing this ambassador was either on Global or CTV when this Ukraine crisis escalated and I remember his lies that Russia had no plans on Crimea, Ukraine, don’t worry, etc.
I don’t think I could ever be a reporter, because if he had said that to me, I would have felt compelled to punch him in the shnoz. :mad:
 
She was filling in for Michael Coren, and she’s been on his news show for awhile now, i.e., there is a segment on his show (once a week) where she and Milahovich (another Sun News correspondent) debate the Ukrainian situation. It’s pretty interesting! She’s Ukrainian Catholic and he is Serbian Orthodox. 😃

I don’t think I could ever be a reporter, because if he had said that to me, I would have felt compelled to punch in the shnoz.
And with good reason,eh.

As for Mihailovich, I have no idea why he is on Sun News discussing Ukraine. From what I saw of him on Michael Coren, he really is ignorant of the struggle in Ukraine and his opinions seemed without foundation and really got the fury of many Ukrainian-Canadians. I remember him stating something to the effect of “well, listen, I’m from High Park in Toronto so I grew up with many Ukrainians” as if this qualified him on Ukraine. I’m not impressed by him, but am with Coren, Levant, etc.

Sorry non-Canucks, just talk about Sun News.
 
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