Ukraine

[josie_L]

But they live in the Ukraine, so they are Ukrainians first!! If they do not feel as such then what are they doing in the Ukraine, i.e., leave if you feel you are more Russian than Ukrainian???

 

[Seamus_L]

I think we’re looking at either the break up of Ukraine into two countries, or Civil War.

 

[josie_L]

I think we’re looking at either the break up of Ukraine into two countries, or Civil War.

I do not believe it will resort to civil war, i.e., I watched the video you posted, although there was hostility, the police were protecting the pro-Maidan protestors. When Yanukovych gets impeached and every detailed document of his corruption is exposed, then perhaps, all Ukrainians will understand why the protestors were protesting. In the mean time I will continue praying.

 

[Tomdstone]

What to think about Yulia?

Not too much. Of course it is up to the courts to decide her guilt, but the reports I have read don’t seem to leave any doubt.

 

[josie_L]

How are they integrally tied, when Soviets supplanted Russians into the Ukraine?

“Since much of the area was outside Russian control until about 30 years ago and as a whole was densely populated and predominantly agrarian in character, there has been relatively little Russian immigration to it. The only exception in this regard was the Russian immigration wave to the “new” Soviet provinces, where there had been no Russians previously, at the Second World War. There Russians partially replaced in the urban population the Poles and Jews who were either killed or expelled during the war.”

books.google.ca/books?id=oLWeUoWEAGgC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=russians+supplanted+in+the+ukraine+by+the+soviets&source=bl&ots=zZk1HlSgmg&sig=qwAareNHJICVa_rZ9BdEg83FPbI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7m0KU73KOKOEygHR34CYDQ&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=russians%20supplanted%20in%20the%20ukraine%20by%20the%20soviets&f=false

 

[Seamus_L]

Whether real or exaggerated, I believe there is the concern by many in the Russian community in Ukraine, that with a pro-Western government taking power, they will now become marginalized.

 

[josie_L]

Whether real or exaggerated, I believe there is the concern by many in the Russian community in Ukraine, that with a pro-Western government taking power, they will now become marginalized.

Because they wish to build greater economic ties with EU, i.e., be less dependent on the Russians, they will marginalize the ethnic Russian Ukrainians.

 

[gilliam]

Ukraine’s new interim President Oleksandr Turchynov has said the country will focus on closer integration with the EU.
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26317912

 

[Tomdstone]

Ukraine’s new interim President Oleksandr Turchynov has said the country will focus on closer integration with the EU.
bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26317912

Good luck to them in their quest to get money from the EU. Russia doesn’t seem to be too interested in giving them a whole lot of money now. Their economy is in deep trouble. Perhaps the US taxpayer can help them out now.

 

[josie_L]

Good luck to them in their quest to get money from the EU. Russia doesn’t seem to be too interested in giving them a whole lot of money now. Their economy is in deep trouble. Perhaps the US taxpayer can help them out now.

Perhaps the reason that the economy is in deep trouble is because it was so badly mismanaged in the first place, while relying too heavily on Russian trade (don’t put all your eggs in one basket, right). The Ukraine for the sake of its own political and economic independence must create stronger trading ties with other nations to offset the rather extreme Russian influence on their economy.

 

[Tomdstone]

Perhaps the reason that the economy is in deep trouble is because it was so badly mismanaged in the first place, while relying too heavily on Russian trade (don’t put all your eggs in one basket, right).

It was the great hero Yulia who made millions on the Russian gas deal. The economy is in deep trouble because of corruption at the top, and in spite of the fact that she is the darling of the west, reports are that Yulia’s hands are not clean.

 

[josie_L]

It was the great hero Yulia who made millions on the Russian gas deal. The economy is in deep trouble because of corruption at the top, and in spite of the fact that she is the darling of the west, reports are that Yulia’s hands are not clean.

There can be multiple reasons for why the economy is in deep trouble.

Natural gas is Ukraine’s biggest import at present and is the main cause of the country’s structural trade deficit.[7]

Fuel industry[edit]

Ukraine imports 90% of its oil and most of its natural gas. Russia ranks as Ukraine’s principal supplier of oil, and Russian firms now own and/or operate the majority of Ukraine’s refining capacity. Natural gas imports come from Russia - which delivers its own gas, as well as the gas from Turkmenistan. Instead, Ukraine is transporting Russian gas to the EU through its well-developed gas pipelines system, being Europe’s vitally important connection. The country’s dependence on Russian gas supplies dramatically affects its economics and foreign policy, especially after the recent major gas dispute.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine

 

[grotto]

It was the great hero Yulia who made millions on the Russian gas deal. The economy is in deep trouble because of corruption at the top, and in spite of the fact that she is the darling of the west, reports are that Yulia’s hands are not clean.

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Why are you referring to Yulia as one who made millions on a Russian gas deal? Tell how. Then you say she is the “darling” of the “west”. Who is the “west”? Also you state that Yulia has dirty hands - how come? You do state that the economy is in deep trouble because of corruption at the top - now that is an understatement. Wassup with the attitude? You were in the corner of the crook that didn’t let the door hit him in the backside, maybe you will find a better outlook soon.

 

[Miserissima]

festivaldc.com/blog/archives/27955

Liberty or Death” rang out the refrain on Kyiv’s Maidan just a few short days ago. People died. On Sunday, Feb.23, from 2:00-4:00 a silent protest will take place by the White House, across from Lafayette Park, to honor the deceased. Some protestors will lie on the ground, draped under Ukrainian flags, symbolizing the courageous sacrifice of the people of Ukraine. Ukrainians, Ukrainian-Americans, and friends of Ukraine will gather at the White House on Sunday to honor the heroes who lost their lives in Ukraine’s fight for freedom and democracy.

Those at the White House, on behalf of all freedom-loving Americans, and the people of Ukraine, especially those defending Ukraine from the Maidan, urge the President of the United States to take all possible actions to secure the freedom and democracy for which the people of Ukraine have laid down their lives.

Later that evening, people will be gathering for a Candlelight Vigil in honor of the fallen at the Taras Shevchenko Monument (located on P Street between 22nd and 23rd near Dupont Circle) from 7:00 PM – 8:00 PM. Participants are asked to bring a candle. For those unable to come in person, they are asked to light a candle wherever they may be at that time and to share it on twitter and facebook.

Participants on Sunday are coming from Washington DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, as well as other areas farther away. ” #DigitalMaidan

facebook.com/events/1397330363863724/? ref_dashboard_filter=upc oming&source=1

 

[grotto]

Good luck to them in their quest to get money from the EU. Russia doesn’t seem to be too interested in giving them a whole lot of money now. Their economy is in deep trouble. Perhaps the US taxpayer can help them out now.

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Forgot to mention - what about the US taxpayer helping out (I’m sure you were not attempting to be facetious), but when things settle down they have a way of finding support.:tiphat:

 

[KyivAndrew]

I wonder where Yanukovych is hiding? He tried to bribe a border official with a bunch of money to be able to grab a flight to Russia, but the border official thankfully didn’t do business the Yanukovych way and refused.

My understanding is that Russia may not take him and the Kremlin is incredibly upset with him because they feel he was too weak in dealing with the protestors, that force should have been used to arrest and clear the Maidan, the same way demonstrations are cleared in Moscow. Yanukovych broke up a meeting with European diplomats to speak to Putin. I think violence was avoided because the Ukrainian Army refused to follow Yanukovych’s direction to bring in armoured vehicles and tanks to clear the Maidan, Independence Square, which would have left thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dead in a European capital city. Yanukovych actually fired the Head of Ukraine’s Armed Forces during the crisis for refusing this I believe, but the new government of Turchynov has reinstated him.

I know Chuck Hagel tried phoning Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense as this was all happening and, maybe, that phone call and warning to the Ukrainian military staff not to shoot at civilians, combined with the Ukrainian military’s honour and humanity, have just saved thousands of Ukrainian lives. In any event, the Ministry of Defense and Interior Ministry have pledged allegiance to the new government of Turchynov, and are under new leadership.

 

[gilliam]

The Ukraine is in a very delicate situation now. Almost anything can happen.

 

[RPRPsych]

This… this person is smart.

The US needs to keep its nosy meddling away, apparently the blood in Syria wasn’t enough, Iraq wasn’t enough, now we must need sacrifice Ukrainians and Venezuelans on our Great Bloody Altar to our godless Democracy.

Fixed that.

America is a great country, and there is much to admire in it. But it really needs to stop putting its fingers in others’ pies. Besides, it shows a shocking lack of concern for countries where Christians are persecuted, and is eager to get into bed with religious extremists (witness the recent meeting of a U.S. ambassador with Modi in our country.)

 

[Tomdstone]

I wonder where Yanukovych is hiding? He tried to bribe a border official with a bunch of money to be able to grab a flight to Russia, but the border official thankfully didn’t do business the Yanukovych way and refused.

Isn’t he able to take a train across the border to Russia, or even Belarus? It shouldn’t be that difficult, should it?

 

[gilliam]

Germany has had a lot more involvement that the US has in this.