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It doesn’t really matter who Hulsman is talking to. Anyone associated how ever briefly with the Heritage Foundation must be viewed with a Jaundiced eye.

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Hahaha, another one, that’s not a good source, although he seemed to be ok, initially.

So anyone who’s not singing from the 'Russia are taking over the world" hymn book, opinions are null and void.
OK, I get it! 👍

heritage.org/research/reports/2010/02/ballistic-missile-defense-the-heritage-foundation-recommendations
 
http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...7c3b54c8f84fa8530a5.nbcnews-ux-800-600.jpgU.S. STATE DEPARTMENT
A billboard in Ukraine depicts the choice for Crimeans as one of Russian statehood or Nazi rule.

A billboard in Crimea featuring a Nazi symbol emblazoned over the region on one side — and the Russian flag on the other — highlights how local pro-Russian officials are framing a referendum on whether the peninsula should break away from Ukraine, State Department officials said Monday.

The sign, in Russian, says “March 16, we choose,” according to multiple reports. The small word between the two pictures is “or.”

Ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Russian President Vladimir Putin have repeatedly referred to the new leadership in Ukraine as “fascist.”

nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/crimean-nazi-billboard-highlights-propaganda-problem-u-s-n49501
 
What time is Yanikovich’s speech tomorrow and would someone post a link to a translation, not an analysis?
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/12/ukraine-2010-election.jpg

washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/09/this-one-map-helps-explain-ukraines-protests/

According to the above referenced map, there may still be a lot of problems in Eastern Ukraine even if Crimea goes to Russia. it would be best if Ukraine was divided up into a Confederation under the EU umbrella when they get there. That way Russian culture in Ukraine would be protected yet there would still be unity.

…the trick though is not to split it in half, but into many small pieces -all under one nation.
 
Ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Russian President Vladimir Putin have repeatedly referred to the new leadership in Ukraine as “fascist.”
The sad thing in this entire Kremlin propaganda campaign is that the only party acting fascist-like is Putin and his armed to the hilt Russian mercenaries and local thugs in Crimea who beat up peaceful Ukrainian protestors, and which mercenaries are now shooting at the feet and above the heads of local Ukrainian military who have not responded in self-defense. The mercenaries threaten these Ukrainian soldiers every day now.

Putin has taken all Ukrainian channels off the air in Crimea, replacing them with TV News from Russia which is basically run along fascist lines (i.e always praise leader Putin, talk incessantly with lies if need be about external and internal threats). Russian TV made the ridiculous claim that there are some 300 of these Ukrainian ‘bandits’, ‘fascists’, whatever in Crimea today. Where do they come up with such a figure? Putin’s goons are running mad through Crimea smashing journalists, shooting at unarmed OSCE observers.

Historian Timothy Snyder’s recent article: Crimea: Putin vs Reality is apropos and deserves to be read to put Putin’s propaganda in its place:

"The Russian invasion and occupation of Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula is a disaster for the European peacetime order. But more critical still is just what Russian President Vladimir Putin thinks he is doing. The clues are there before us, in the language of the Kremlin’s non-stop propaganda campaign in the Russian media. The repeatedly recycled categories are the “fascist coup” in Ukraine and the “Russian citizens” who suffer under it. Putin’s justification for occupying part of Ukraine, and threatening to invade the entire country, has been to save the Russians there from the fascists.

Let’s consider each of these conceits in turn. Did the current Ukrainian authorities come to power in a fascist coup? As everyone who has followed these events knows, the mass protests against the Yanukovych regime that began in November involved millions of people, from all walks of life. After the regime tried and failed to put down the protests by shooting protestors from rooftops on February 20, EU negotiators arranged a deal whereby Yanukovych would cede power to parliament. Rather than signing the corresponding legislation, as he had committed to do, Yanukovych fled to Russia.

Parliament declared that he had abandoned his responsibilities, followed the protocols that applied to such a case, and continued the process of constitutional reform by itself. Presidential elections were called for May, and a new government was formed. The prime minister is a liberal conservative, one of the two deputy prime ministers is Jewish, and the governor of the important eastern province of Dnipropetrovsk is the president of the Congress of Ukrainian Jewish Organizations. Although one can certainly debate the constitutional nuances, this process was not a coup. And it certainly was not fascist. Reducing the powers of the president, calling presidential elections, and restoring the principles of democracy are the opposite of what fascism would demand. Leaders of the Jewish community have declared their unambiguous support for the new government and their total opposition to the Russian invasion.

Of the eighteen cabinet posts that have been filled in the new government, three are held by members of the far right party, Svoboda. Its leader had less than 2 percent support in a recent opinion poll—one that was taken after the Russian invasion of Crimea, an event that presumably would help the nationalists. In any event, this is the grain of truth from which, according to the traditional rules of propaganda, Putin’s “fascist coup” has been concocted.

The second conceit, that of the oppression of Russian citizens in the Ukraine, lacks even this. **Over the last few months one Russian citizen has been killed in Ukraine. He was not threatened by Ukrainian protestors or by the current government. Quite the opposite. He was fighting for the Ukrainian revolution, and was killed by a sniper’s bullet."
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emphasis mine
read more: nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/07/crimea-putin-vs-reality/?insrc=wbll
 
Putin prefers having client neighbour states run by thieves: Lukashenka in Belarus, Yanukovych in Ukraine, and now in Crimea’s case a member of the vicious Crimean underworld - Sergey Aksyonov. Out of all the provinces in Ukraine, the two with the highest crime rate and corruption are ex-Pres. Yanukovych’s Donetsk oblast, and Crimea - the two areas Putin is using to stir trouble instead of stability and peace. Putin can deal with criminal underworld thugs. They speak the same language.

From the Toronto Star: Meet ‘Goblin’ — Moscow’s man in Crimea

*SIMFEROPOL, UKRAINE—Strip away the propaganda from the chaos in Crimea, and this much is certain: last Thursday morning a political farce played out here in the regional capital.

It started with anonymous gunmen storming parliament house in a bloodless pre-dawn raid. By sunrise, the Russian flag was flying high above an occupied government house.

Lawmakers were summoned, stripped of their cellphones as they entered the chamber. The Crimean media was banished. Then, behind closed doors, Crimea’s government was dismissed and a new one formed, with Sergey Aksyonov, head of the Russian Unity party, installed as Crimea’s new premier.

If it was a crime, it was just the beginning. Aksyonov’s ascent to power at the point of a gun presaged all that has happened since — the announcement of a referendum on Crimean independence and the slow, methodical fanning out of Russian forces throughout the peninsula, ostensibly to protect Russians here from a threat no one can seem to find.

But here’s the most interesting bit: Aksyonov’s sudden rise as Moscow’s crucial point man in Crimea has revived simmering allegations of an underworld past going back to the lawless 1990s, when Aksyonov is said to have gone by the street name “Goblin,” a lieutenant in the Crimean crime syndicate Salem.

Details of “Goblin” spilled out this week in a broadcast interview with Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Senchenko, a Crimean who has known Aksyonov’s political sponsor, Crimean Parliamentary Speaker Vladimir Konstantinov, for 25 years.

Both Aksyonov and Konstantinov, according to Senchenko, sought political clout as a means of laundering their shady pasts, insulating themselves from potential prosecution. Upon taking power, the two fell under the sway of Moscow, he told Svoboda Radio.

“Mr. Aksyonov in the mid ’90s was a foreman in an organized criminal gang, known in Crimea in criminal and police circles under the pseudonym Goblin,” said Senchenko. But multiple changes of power and chronic corruption in the territory enabled the shredding and burning of much evidence, he added.

“If we have the will and the law . . . I think the place for Aksyonov is in prison,” he said.*

*The whistle was blown then by Mikhail Bakharev, first deputy chairman of the Russian Society of Crimea, who presented as evidence 1990s Crimean police files naming “Sergey V. Aksyonov as an active member of organized crime group Salem, with the nickname ‘Goblin.’ ”

“The prolonged fight between [crime group] competitors led to 30 persons being killed in just one month of 1991,” Shirokov wrote. Explosions later rocked Simferopol as the gang battles intensified.

By the mid-1990s, Salem’s membership had soared to 1,200 fighters. Eventually, many of the gangsters, tired of the fighting, decided instead to shift their gaze toward political office. More than 40 were elected as local deputies in 1995. “They wanted to get deputy inviolability,” Shirokov wrote.

Fast forward to the present, and there is little question Aksyonov, 42, has ascended with a strongman’s momentum that would do Tony Soprano proud. Though he was first elected to the Crimean parliament in 2010 with less than 4 per cent of the vote, he now projects 100 per cent control.*"
thestar.com/news/world/2014/03/04/meet_goblin_moscows_man_in_crimea.html

So Putin was perfectly happy having an immoral criminal underworld goon who stole billions from the people run Ukraine and bemoans now that Yanukovych didn’t use more force to kill the protest at Maidan. Now he wants another criminal underworld goon to run Crimea - Sergei Aksyonov, a.k.a the ‘Goblin’.

And in Donetsk in Eastern Ukraine, the Kremlin has supported Russian neo-Nazis like Pavel Gubarev to head the pro-Russian separatist movement and who is praised in the Kremlin media:
Putin’s Neo-Nazi Helpers
khpg.org/index.php?id=1394442656
 
And yet people will still argue that the Russian Ethnics in Crimea are in danger, I don’t think so, I think it’s the minorities in that region who are in danger. 😦
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/12/ukraine-2010-election.jpg

washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/09/this-one-map-helps-explain-ukraines-protests/

According to the above referenced map, there may still be a lot of problems in Eastern Ukraine even if Crimea goes to Russia. it would be best if Ukraine was divided up into a Confederation under the EU umbrella when they get there. That way Russian culture in Ukraine would be protected yet there would still be unity.

…the trick though is not to split it in half, but into many small pieces -all under one nation.
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http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...7c3b54c8f84fa8530a5.nbcnews-ux-800-600.jpgU.S. STATE DEPARTMENT
A billboard in Ukraine depicts the choice for Crimeans as one of Russian statehood or Nazi rule.

A billboard in Crimea featuring a Nazi symbol emblazoned over the region on one side — and the Russian flag on the other — highlights how local pro-Russian officials are framing a referendum on whether the peninsula should break away from Ukraine, State Department officials said Monday.

The sign, in Russian, says “March 16, we choose,” according to multiple reports. The small word between the two pictures is “or.”

Ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Russian President Vladimir Putin have repeatedly referred to the new leadership in Ukraine as “fascist.”

nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/crimean-nazi-billboard-highlights-propaganda-problem-u-s-n49501
And yet people will still argue that the Russian Ethnics in Crimea are in danger, I don’t think so, I think it’s the minorities in that region who are in danger. 😦
I have seen many videos over the last few days of pro-Ukraine neo-nazis beating pro-Russians to a pulp and threatening to kill them, even old men but the west has no interest in showing any of this as it is all anti-Russian xenophobia.

If Hawaii wanted total independence from America or wanted to join Japan than they should be allowed to choose. (If Japan wanted them).

Just like England should be allowed to choose to leave Scotland, northern Ireland and the eu.
 
http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newsc...7c3b54c8f84fa8530a5.nbcnews-ux-800-600.jpgU.S. STATE DEPARTMENT
A billboard in Ukraine depicts the choice for Crimeans as one of Russian statehood or Nazi rule.

A billboard in Crimea featuring a Nazi symbol emblazoned over the region on one side — and the Russian flag on the other — highlights how local pro-Russian officials are framing a referendum on whether the peninsula should break away from Ukraine, State Department officials said Monday.

The sign, in Russian, says “March 16, we choose,” according to multiple reports. The small word between the two pictures is “or.”

Ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and Russian President Vladimir Putin have repeatedly referred to the new leadership in Ukraine as “fascist.”

nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/crimean-nazi-billboard-highlights-propaganda-problem-u-s-n49501
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What time is Yanikovich’s speech tomorrow and would someone post a link to a translation, not an analysis?
Its time delay and already occurred. I’ve seen segments which are repetitive of that which he stated already. Admittedly I didn’t see the entire content. 🙂
 
As it’s not in the Western media yet, here’s the Crimea’s declaration for independence from Ukraine.

Edit: since found a Western source. euronews.com/2014/03/11/crimea-mps-vote-in-favour-of-independence-from-ukraine/

rt.com/news/crimea-parliament-independence-ukraine-086/

The parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea has adopted an independence declaration from Ukraine which is necessary for holding a March 16 referendum.

*“We, the members of the parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the Sevastopol City Council, with regard to the charter of the United Nations and a whole range of other international documents and taking into consideration the confirmation of the status of Kosovo by the United Nations International Court of Justice on July, 22, 2010, which says that unilateral declaration of independence by a part of the country doesn’t violate any international norms, make this decision,” says the text of the declaration, which was published by the Crimean media.

The document was adopted during an extraordinary session of parliament.

78 of 100 members of the parliament voted in favor of the declaration.

The declaration was signed by the speaker of the Supreme Council of Crimea, Vladimir Konstantinov, and the head of the Sevastopol City Council, Yury Doynikov.

“We adopted the declaration of independence to make the upcoming referendum legitimate and transparent,” Konstantinov said.

“Now we declare ourselves the Republic of Crimea, we don’t add ‘autonomous.".*
 
I hear what your saying but I don’t find a unanimous vote to be compelling evidence of a free democratic society. I don’t see where that is anything but predictable given the exclusive agenda. Looks like a police state to me, and when your in one you go along to get along. “When is Rome act like the Romans”. More a formality I believe.
 
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