Ukraine

[grotto]

I hope people can maintain calm. It takes two to tango as they say and if one side refuses to dance - then the other is going to look foolish for staying on the floor. The Ukraine government - despite its criminal vamoosed ex-president - must keep their presence before the people. Appearing before all avenues of the media restating the honesty of those performing their elected positions will be required under normal conditions but for the present it will be crucial to its survival. All types of distractions are being thrown out like confetti. The government of the Ukraine has existed for several years - it didn’t have a
“catch 22” that said: we only have this government as long as we have Russian permission? So - keep on keeping on. If Vladamar the Great sends in his troublesome transformers there won’t be anyone to get their toes stepped on. Ukraine has the world watching because the world knows its existence has been regarded a long, long time.
:grouphug:

 

[HansTrappist]

Among the day’s news. A temporary cabinet is being picked in Kiev. Muslim Tatars in Crimea are chanting Uk-Raina and Allahu-Akbar in counterprotests against pro-Russian groups, and a Euromaidan ringleader is openly boasting of having killed Russians in Chechnya.

Thank you Seamus for reporting on that.

Western Media has sugarcoated the true nature of the “protesters.”

I watched these protests on a live feed over several days and all I saw with my own eyes were people throwing molotov cocktails at the Berkut and using other blunt objects against the Police. Could you imagine what would happen if such a “protest” occurred in the United States. I can’t imagine American Riot Police allowing “protesters” to throw molotov cocktails at them. The Berkut were too tolerant towards these violent protesters and that was why, ultimately, the violent protesters prevailed.

What occurred in Kiev was a violent coup against the legitimately elected authorities in Ukraine, financed and supported by the West (Victoria Nuland is on the record boasting of giving money to the opposition; Ron Paul has also documented the millions of US tax dollars that have gone to Ukraine over the years whilst American cities crumble).

It doesn’t matter how corrupt Yanukovych allegedly was. He was legitimately elected and illegally deposed. Ukraine is now up for grabs and I feel sorry for the average, peace-loving Ukrainians because they have been duped and now they are being ruled by armed gangs with DOCUMENTED anti-semitic and fascist behavior and statements.

You mentioned the Ukrainian opposition leader who boasted of killing Russians in Chechnya. His name is Aleksandr Muzychko and he is a leader in the radical Ukrainian Opposition group “Right Sector” which joined hands with the Maidan’s official self-defense units - Right Sector members being headquartered several stories above the Maidan’s leaders makeshift office.

In 1994, Aleksandr Muzychko, aka Sashko Bilyi, arrived in Chechnya to join hands with the terrorists there. He took part in numerous battles against Russian troops, mainly in the capital Grozny, and personally knocked out three tanks, six armored personnel carriers and a SP vehicle. For his terrorism against Russian soldiers, the notorious Chechen terrorist, general Dzhokhar Dudayev, presented Muzychko with a “Hero of the Nation” award.

In 2007 Muzychko pledged to fight against “communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in his veins,” openly saying that leading the fight against all of the above mentioned groups is his “credo.”

On February 21, 2014 when Berkut police officers arrived in the western Ukrainian town of Rovno from Kiev, Muzychko said that if he met them on a battlefield, his hand “would not tremble.” Muzychko continued: “If tomorrow these bastards [police] in Kiev won’t stop, we’ll take over military units, get hold of armored personnel carriers and tanks - we know how to operate them - and go to Kiev. Victory will be ours.”

Muzychko has promised that “the next president of the country will be from Right Sector! Our party will also be represented in parliament!”

Alexsandr Muzychko is not the only extremist leader among the Ukrainian “protesters.” Another extremely dangerous individual is Dmitry Yarosh, a Right Sector radical nationalist opposition group leader who told protesters in Kiev that, “the Right Sector will not lay down its arms. The Right Sector will not remove the blockade of one of the government buildings until our most important requirement is fulfilled – the resignation of Yanukovich.”

I truly feel sad for the ordinary people of Ukraine. Their legitimate Government has been violently overthrown by some very dangerous individuals - much more dangerous and corrupt than Yanukovych ever was alleged to have been.

P.S. Here is recent video of Ukrainian Opposition Leader Alexsandr Muzychko intimidating the Rovno MPs into signing bills:

youtube.com/watch?v=XtxbGjkpkF8

Sad times ahead for Ukraine.

 

[Tomdstone]

Honestly, Tombstone, if you feel that taking Russian funds is going to improve the political and economic landscape of the Ukraine, then believe it, but I don’t!! Too many strings attached by taking Russian monies, and the fact of the matter is that Russia is withholding funds purposely, yes, purposely, their position is one of “if you don’t do what we want you to do than you’re not getting the money”. I think some would call it strong-arming.

No.
First of all, I believe that before the coup, the EU and the IMF were requiring strict austerity measures, that Ukraine could not meet, and the EU refused to give any money to Ukraine unless these strict measures were undertaken. Russia has already loaned them 2 billion dollars and reduced their price of gas. Demonstrators in the Eastern sector have expressed their strong opposition to joining the EU and have been shouting that they want to stay with Russia. Of course, Yanukovich was corrupt, but take a look at the charges against Tymoshenko and tell me if you consider her to be an honest person of high and incorruptible character? Why was it reported that when she spoke at Maidan, so many people walked away in disgust?

 

[josie_L]

Among the day’s news. A temporary cabinet is being picked in Kiev. Muslim Tatars in Crimea are chanting Uk-Raina and Allahu-Akbar in counterprotests against pro-Russian groups, and a Euromaidan ringleader is openly boasting of having killed Russians in Chechnya.

Do you mind providing me a source?

 

[Tomdstone]

P.S. Here is recent video of Ukrainian Opposition Leader Alexsandr Muzychko intimidating the Rovno MPs into signing bills:

youtube.com/watch?v=XtxbGjkpkF8

Sad times ahead for Ukraine.

You can get far by being nice to people.
But you can get a lot further when you have a loaded machine gun in your hands.

 

[josie_L]

No.
First of all, I believe that before the coup, the EU and the IMF were requiring strict austerity measures, that Ukraine could not meet, and the EU refused to give any money to Ukraine unless these strict measures were undertaken. Russia has already loaned them 2 billion dollars and reduced their price of gas. Demonstrators in the Eastern sector have expressed their strong opposition to joining the EU and have been shouting that they want to stay with Russia. Of course, Yanukovich was corrupt, but take a look at the charges against Tymoshenko and tell me if you consider her to be an honest person of high and incorruptible character? Why was it reported that when she spoke at Maidan, so many people walked away in disgust?

I don’t know enough about Tymenshenko (except that she was imprisoned for three years), but even if she were dishonest, it does not take away from the fact that Yanukovich was more than likely more corrupt, or that he had a blacklist of journalists whom he intended to do harm to, or that he had people imprisoned on fake and flimsy allegations, or that he had people tortured and killed (which will soon come to light) . . . etc. And if there are demonstrators who strongly express their disapproval with joining the EU, well, they are allowed to demonstrate, but in the end the government must do what is best for the whole of the Ukraine, i.e., if being part of the EU will help them economically/politically then why shouldn’t they do it. It’s always beneficial for a country to expand trade with other nations rather than being too dependent on a trading partner, especially if that partner has an advantage over you.

 

[HansTrappist]

it does not take away from the fact that Yanukovich was even more corrupt, or that he had a blacklist of journalists whom he intended to do harm to, or that he had people imprisoned on fake and flimsy allegations, or that he had people tortured and killed (which will soon come to light) . . . etc.

Do you care to document those very serious allegations?

 

[kelvinf]

Thank you Seamus for reporting on that.

Western Media has sugarcoated the true nature of the “protesters.”

I watched these protests on a live feed over several days and all I saw with my own eyes were people throwing molotov cocktails at the Berkut and using other blunt objects against the Police. Could you imagine what would happen if such a “protest” occurred in the United States. I can’t imagine American Riot Police allowing “protesters” to throw molotov cocktails at them. The Berkut were too tolerant towards these violent protesters and that was why, ultimately, the violent protesters prevailed.

What occurred in Kiev was a violent coup against the legitimately elected authorities in Ukraine, financed and supported by the West (Victoria Nuland is on the record boasting of giving money to the opposition; Ron Paul has also documented the millions of US tax dollars that have gone to Ukraine over the years whilst American cities crumble).

It doesn’t matter how corrupt Yanukovych allegedly was. He was legitimately elected and illegally deposed. Ukraine is now up for grabs and I feel sorry for the average, peace-loving Ukrainians because they have been duped and now they are being ruled by armed gangs with DOCUMENTED anti-semitic and fascist behavior and statements.

You mentioned the Ukrainian opposition leader who boasted of killing Russians in Chechnya. His name is Aleksandr Muzychko and he is a leader in the radical Ukrainian Opposition group “Right Sector” which joined hands with the Maidan’s official self-defense units - Right Sector members being headquartered several stories above the Maidan’s leaders makeshift office.

In 1994, Aleksandr Muzychko, aka Sashko Bilyi, arrived in Chechnya to join hands with the terrorists there. He took part in numerous battles against Russian troops, mainly in the capital Grozny, and personally knocked out three tanks, six armored personnel carriers and a SP vehicle. For his terrorism against Russian soldiers, the notorious Chechen terrorist, general Dzhokhar Dudayev, presented Muzychko with a “Hero of the Nation” award.

In 2007 Muzychko pledged to fight against “communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in his veins,” openly saying that leading the fight against all of the above mentioned groups is his “credo.”

On February 21, 2014 when Berkut police officers arrived in the western Ukrainian town of Rovno from Kiev, Muzychko said that if he met them on a battlefield, his hand “would not tremble.” Muzychko continued: “If tomorrow these bastards [police] in Kiev won’t stop, we’ll take over military units, get hold of armored personnel carriers and tanks - we know how to operate them - and go to Kiev. Victory will be ours.”

Muzychko has promised that “the next president of the country will be from Right Sector! Our party will also be represented in parliament!”

Alexsandr Muzychko is not the only extremist leader among the Ukrainian “protesters.” Another extremely dangerous individual is Dmitry Yarosh, a Right Sector radical nationalist opposition group leader who told protesters in Kiev that, “the Right Sector will not lay down its arms. The Right Sector will not remove the blockade of one of the government buildings until our most important requirement is fulfilled – the resignation of Yanukovich.”

I truly feel sad for the ordinary people of Ukraine. Their legitimate Government has been violently overthrown by some very dangerous individuals - much more dangerous and corrupt than Yanukovych ever was alleged to have been.

P.S. Here is recent video of Ukrainian Opposition Leader Alexsandr Muzychko intimidating the Rovno MPs into signing bills:

youtube.com/watch?v=XtxbGjkpkF8

Sad times ahead for Ukraine.

 

[kelvinf]

I don’t know enough about Tymenshenko (except that she was imprisoned for three years), but even if she were dishonest, it does not take away from the fact that Yanukovich was more than likely more corrupt, or that he had a blacklist of journalists whom he intended to do harm to, or that he had people imprisoned on fake and flimsy allegations, or that he had people tortured and killed (which will soon come to light) . . . etc. And if there are demonstrators who strongly express their disapproval with joining the EU, well, they are allowed to demonstrate, but in the end the government must do what is best for the whole of the Ukraine, i.e., if being part of the EU will help them economically/politically then why shouldn’t they do it. It’s always beneficial for a country to expand trade with other nations rather than being too dependent on a trading partner, especially if that partner has an advantage over you.

Ukraine will certainly not be allowed to join the EU in the next 20 years to come. Those days when any country in Europe could join the EU are long gone. I am pretty sure lessons have been learned after allowing countries like Greece, Bulgaria and Rumania to join the EU zone and EU prematurely.

 

[pepipop]

Thank you Seamus for reporting on that.

Western Media has sugarcoated the true nature of the “protesters.”

I watched these protests on a live feed over several days and all I saw with my own eyes were people throwing molotov cocktails at the Berkut and using other blunt objects against the Police. Could you imagine what would happen if such a “protest” occurred in the United States. I can’t imagine American Riot Police allowing “protesters” to throw molotov cocktails at them. The Berkut were too tolerant towards these violent protesters and that was why, ultimately, the violent protesters prevailed.

What occurred in Kiev was a violent coup against the legitimately elected authorities in Ukraine, financed and supported by the West (Victoria Nuland is on the record boasting of giving money to the opposition; Ron Paul has also documented the millions of US tax dollars that have gone to Ukraine over the years whilst American cities crumble).

It doesn’t matter how corrupt Yanukovych allegedly was. He was legitimately elected and illegally deposed. Ukraine is now up for grabs and I feel sorry for the average, peace-loving Ukrainians because they have been duped and now they are being ruled by armed gangs with DOCUMENTED anti-semitic and fascist behavior and statements.

You mentioned the Ukrainian opposition leader who boasted of killing Russians in Chechnya. His name is Aleksandr Muzychko and he is a leader in the radical Ukrainian Opposition group “Right Sector” which joined hands with the Maidan’s official self-defense units - Right Sector members being headquartered several stories above the Maidan’s leaders makeshift office.

In 1994, Aleksandr Muzychko, aka Sashko Bilyi, arrived in Chechnya to join hands with the terrorists there. He took part in numerous battles against Russian troops, mainly in the capital Grozny, and personally knocked out three tanks, six armored personnel carriers and a SP vehicle. For his terrorism against Russian soldiers, the notorious Chechen terrorist, general Dzhokhar Dudayev, presented Muzychko with a “Hero of the Nation” award.

In 2007 Muzychko pledged to fight against “communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in his veins,” openly saying that leading the fight against all of the above mentioned groups is his “credo.”

On February 21, 2014 when Berkut police officers arrived in the western Ukrainian town of Rovno from Kiev, Muzychko said that if he met them on a battlefield, his hand “would not tremble.” Muzychko continued: “If tomorrow these bastards [police] in Kiev won’t stop, we’ll take over military units, get hold of armored personnel carriers and tanks - we know how to operate them - and go to Kiev. Victory will be ours.”

Muzychko has promised that “the next president of the country will be from Right Sector! Our party will also be represented in parliament!”

Alexsandr Muzychko is not the only extremist leader among the Ukrainian “protesters.” Another extremely dangerous individual is Dmitry Yarosh, a Right Sector radical nationalist opposition group leader who told protesters in Kiev that, “the Right Sector will not lay down its arms. The Right Sector will not remove the blockade of one of the government buildings until our most important requirement is fulfilled – the resignation of Yanukovich.”

I truly feel sad for the ordinary people of Ukraine. Their legitimate Government has been violently overthrown by some very dangerous individuals - much more dangerous and corrupt than Yanukovych ever was alleged to have been.

P.S. Here is recent video of Ukrainian Opposition Leader Alexsandr Muzychko intimidating the Rovno MPs into signing bills:

youtube.com/watch?v=XtxbGjkpkF8

Sad times ahead for Ukraine.

Yep!

 

[josie_L]

Do you care to document those very serious allegations?

He’s a man on the hunt because his own government has accused him of murder, moreover, he is guilty of torture (for what he inflicted on the pro-Maidan protestors), corruption, and more than likely imprisonment of innocents (as would be attested by those who were released from prison after his flight). All will come to light as I said in my earlier reply.

P.S. Documents were found at his country estate, that showed a list of black-listed journalists and their pictures, Tetanya Chernobol was one of them. Moreover, the documents had to be fished out of the water surrounding his estate (doesn’t sound like something an innocent man would do, in fact, his taking flight kind of suggests he’s guilty).

 

[josie_L]

Thank you Seamus for reporting on that.

Western Media has sugarcoated the true nature of the “protesters.”

I watched these protests on a live feed over several days and all I saw with my own eyes were people throwing molotov cocktails at the Berkut and using other blunt objects against the Police. Could you imagine what would happen if such a “protest” occurred in the United States. I can’t imagine American Riot Police allowing “protesters” to throw molotov cocktails at them. The Berkut were too tolerant towards these violent protesters and that was why, ultimately, the violent protesters prevailed.

What occurred in Kiev was a violent coup against the legitimately elected authorities in Ukraine, financed and supported by the West (Victoria Nuland is on the record boasting of giving money to the opposition; Ron Paul has also documented the millions of US tax dollars that have gone to Ukraine over the years whilst American cities crumble).

It doesn’t matter how corrupt Yanukovych allegedly was. He was legitimately elected and illegally deposed. Ukraine is now up for grabs and I feel sorry for the average, peace-loving Ukrainians because they have been duped and now they are being ruled by armed gangs with DOCUMENTED anti-semitic and fascist behavior and statements.

You mentioned the Ukrainian opposition leader who boasted of killing Russians in Chechnya. His name is Aleksandr Muzychko and he is a leader in the radical Ukrainian Opposition group “Right Sector” which joined hands with the Maidan’s official self-defense units - Right Sector members being headquartered several stories above the Maidan’s leaders makeshift office.

In 1994, Aleksandr Muzychko, aka Sashko Bilyi, arrived in Chechnya to join hands with the terrorists there. He took part in numerous battles against Russian troops, mainly in the capital Grozny, and personally knocked out three tanks, six armored personnel carriers and a SP vehicle. For his terrorism against Russian soldiers, the notorious Chechen terrorist, general Dzhokhar Dudayev, presented Muzychko with a “Hero of the Nation” award.

In 2007 Muzychko pledged to fight against “communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in his veins,” openly saying that leading the fight against all of the above mentioned groups is his “credo.”

On February 21, 2014 when Berkut police officers arrived in the western Ukrainian town of Rovno from Kiev, Muzychko said that if he met them on a battlefield, his hand “would not tremble.” Muzychko continued: “If tomorrow these bastards [police] in Kiev won’t stop, we’ll take over military units, get hold of armored personnel carriers and tanks - we know how to operate them - and go to Kiev. Victory will be ours.”

Muzychko has promised that “the next president of the country will be from Right Sector! Our party will also be represented in parliament!”

Alexsandr Muzychko is not the only extremist leader among the Ukrainian “protesters.” Another extremely dangerous individual is Dmitry Yarosh, a Right Sector radical nationalist opposition group leader who told protesters in Kiev that, “the Right Sector will not lay down its arms. The Right Sector will not remove the blockade of one of the government buildings until our most important requirement is fulfilled – the resignation of Yanukovich.”

I truly feel sad for the ordinary people of Ukraine. Their legitimate Government has been violently overthrown by some very dangerous individuals - much more dangerous and corrupt than Yanukovych ever was alleged to have been.

P.S. Here is recent video of Ukrainian Opposition Leader Alexsandr Muzychko intimidating the Rovno MPs into signing bills:

youtube.com/watch?v=XtxbGjkpkF8

Sad times ahead for Ukraine.

So there were radical elements within the protest movement, that doesn’t mean that the majority of protestors were radical, again, you mentioning these people does not take away from the fact that the populace had a LEGITIMATE cause for protesting against Yanukovich. There was too much corruption, too many human rights violations, constitutional violations. . . . etc., the people were fed up. Whatever radical elements existed within the movement will die out because the majority of Ukrainians do not/will not support them.

P.S. And he was not illegally deposed, i.e., this was not a coup, he is being impeached. I mean the guy took flight, does this sound like something an innocent man does?

Parliament votes 328-0 to impeach Yanukovych on Feb. 22; sets May 25 for new election; Tymoshenko free

kyivpost.com/content/kyiv/euromaidan-rallies-in-ukraine-feb-21-live-updates-337287.html

 

[Miserissima]

So there were radical elements within the protest movement, that doesn’t mean that the majority of protestors were radical, again, you mentioning these people does not take away from the fact that the populace had a LEGITIMATE cause for protesting against WwwYanukovich. There was too much corruption, too many human rights violations, constitutional violations. . . . etc., the people were fed up. Whatever radical elements existed within the movement will die out because the majority of Ukrainians do not/will not support them.

In fact, I haven’t seen one protest here in DC where the Neo Nazis and anarchists don’t join on just because “it’s something to do” and a way for them to piggy back on some type of demonstration. Ours not the demonstrators who are climbing light poles and breaking portopotties, it’s the piggybackers.

 

[HansTrappist]

So there were radical elements within the protest movement, that doesn’t mean that the majority of protestors were radical, again, you mentioning these people does not take away from the fact that the populace had a LEGITIMATE cause for protesting against Yanukovich. There was too much corruption, too many human rights violations, constitutional violations. . . . etc., the people were fed up. Whatever radical elements existed within the movement will die out because the majority of Ukrainians do not/will not support them.

The radical elements are LEADERS in the Ukrainian Opposition. This is a documented fact.

Victor Yanukovych was and is the legitimate President of Ukraine. He was deposed in a criminal and violent manner.

In numerous posts on this thread you have accused Victor Yanukovych of corruption and human rights violations. That may be the case although you have certainly not provided any documentation or proof of these alleged abuses.

If Victor Yanukovych was guilty of crimes, then the evidence should have been presented in a Court. That never happened and will never happen given that the rule of law has been violently rejected by the Ukrainian Opposition.

Western Media has portrayed this as a popular uprising. I find that ludicrous, given that the majority of Ukrainians that I have been privileged to know would never support the violent methods that were used to depose Yanukovych and would never support the violent, Radical Extremists that now control Ukraine.

There has been a coup d’etat in Ukraine and it was illegal and unjust, IMHO.

We will find out soon enough the true nature of the Ukrainian opposition and given what I have seen of leaders and tactics in this Ukrainian Opposition, I truly fear for the safety of my friends in the Ukraine.

 

[josie_L]

In fact, I haven’t seen one protest here in DC where the Neo Nazis and anarchists don’t join on just because “it’s something to do” and a way for them to piggy back on some type of demonstration. Ours not the demonstrators who are climbing light poles and breaking portopotties, it’s the piggybackers.

Exactly, there will always be radicals who join the ranks of the majority of moderates, their being there, however, should not taint the cause of the majority who have legitimate reasons for demonstrating.

 

[Miserissima]

Sorry for my phone autocorrecting and thank you for understanding!

 

[josie_L]

The radical elements are LEADERS in the Ukrainian Opposition. This is a documented fact.

And how many followers do these leaders have, and how many will simply dissipate now that Yanukovych is gone.

Victor Yanukovych was and is the legitimate President of Ukraine. He was deposed in a criminal and violent manner.

Even legitimate presidents can be illegitimatized, i.e., by continually violating the constitution. . . etc. and being impeached, which is exactly what parliament did or did you fail to see that part of my response. Moreover, Yanukovych set the tone, i.e., he initiated the violence, so I don’t really feel sorry for him. Moreover, he’s in flight because he knows he committed grievous offences against a great part of the populace.

In numerous posts on this thread you have accused Victor Yanukovych of corruption and human rights violations. That may be the case although you have certainly not provided any documentation or proof of these alleged abuses.

Actually, there was more than sufficient information that I provided with my posts displaying the corruptive powers of Victor Yanukovych (re-read my posts). If you were expecting more, well then, you will get it, i.e., documents were fished out of the waters around his estate that prove that he was corrupt, and that he more than likely was involved in Tetanya Chernobol’s attempted murder. As I said earlier this information will be brought to light.

If Victor Yanukovych was guilty of crimes, then the evidence should have been presented in a Court. That never happened and will never happen given that the rule of law has been violently rejected by the Ukrainian Opposition.

So every single parliamentarian (343) who impeached him of crimes/murder is wrong, i.e., they based their opinions on simple hearsay???

Western Media has portrayed this as a popular uprising. I find that ludicrous, given that the majority of Ukrainians that I have been privileged to know would never support the violent methods that were used to depose Yanukovych and would never support the violent, Radical Extremists that now control Ukraine.

Are these Ukrainians whom you spoke to living in the Ukraine, and if they do, do they not know that Yanukovych initiated the violence and that he was rooted out by parliamentary vote, i.e., that is not a coup.

There has been a coup d’etat in Ukraine and it was illegal and unjust, IMHO.

And IMHO, it was not.

We will find out soon enough the true nature of the Ukrainian opposition and given what I have seen of leaders and tactics in this Ukrainian Opposition, I truly fear for the safety of my friends in the Ukraine.

And so does Kyiv Andrew and many others, but it is not the minority of radicals that worry me, but other factors!

 

[Miserissima]

“So every single parliamentarian (343) who impeached him of crimes/murder is wrong, i.e., they based their opinions on simple hearsay???”

Well, DUH.

 

[KyivAndrew]

Amnesty International: Ukraine must prosecute the perpetrators of demonstration deaths

All those responsible for the deaths of more than 100 people killed during the anti-government protests in Ukraine must be brought to justice, said Amnesty International today.
The call comes as plans were announced to disband the riot police unit that was allegedly responsible for the excessive force used against protesters.
“Moves to disband the riot police must not be used to allow the perpetrators of crimes off the hook. The Ukrainian authorities must not shirk their responsibility,” said Heather McGill, Amnesty International’s Ukraine researcher. It is clear that some protesters resorted to violence. However, the organization has documented many cases of peaceful protesters and bystanders being beaten and traumatically wounded by riot police officers.
It is estimated that as many as 800 people were wounded during the demonstrations which started in November 2013.
Iryna Rabchenyuk, a peaceful bystander, was beaten by a riot police officer on 1 December 2013. The officer struck her once in the face with a baton causing traumatic injuries including a complex fracture of the nose, and possibly permanent loss of sight in one eye. Iryna Rabchenyuk and hundreds like her deserve justice."

amnesty.org/en/news/ukraine-prosecute-perpetrators-protest-deaths-2014-02-26

On a personal note, Amnesty International did great work helping shine the spotlight on Ukrainian political prisoners imprisoned by the Soviet Union in the Gulag, several whom I came to know. One of them was the leader of the underground Ukrainian Catholic Church. He had powerful psychotropic drugs forced down his throat and injected into him, because the Kremlin thought him sick for opposing the Soviet Union’s persecution of Ukrainian Catholics and persecution of Ukrainians’ culture, religion, and language in the Soviet Union.

The man responsible for this man’s suffering and for the order to put enemies of the communist regime into psychiatric institutions (tens of thousands of them) was the deceased former long-time head of the Soviet KGB and General Secretary of the Soviet Union Yuri Andropov, who is to this day glorified by the President of Russia Vladimir Putin! Putin has proudly placed a plaque in the Russian Secret Police’s Lubyanka headquarters to honor Andropov, erected statues to him in today’s Russia, and has created “Andropov” scholarships for the future leaders of Russia’s secret police the FSB! It would be very good of some of those who post on CAF vigorously defending Putin to research Putin’s personal hero Yuri Andropov.

I truly believe that anybody who wishes to praise or defend Putin as a paragon of morality, must be ready to then defend Putin’s hero Yuri Andropov.

 

[HansTrappist]

And how many followers do these leaders have, and how many will simply dissipate now that Yanukovych is gone.

I can see with my own eyes that they have many followers, as evidenced by the many violent men in the streets engaging in violent struggle with the Ukrainian Police. In America we call this kind of violent behavior against Police criminal behavior.

I doubt any of them will dissipate given that it was their muscle and guns that deposed Yanukovych.

Even legitimate presidents can be illegitimatized, i.e., by continually violating the constitution. . . etc. and being impeached, which is exactly what parliament did or did you fail to see that part of my response. Moreover, Yanukovych set the tone, i.e., he initiated the violence, so I don’t really feel sorry for him. Moreover, he’s in flight because he knows he committed grievous offences against a great part of the populace.

Actually, there was more than sufficient information that I provided with my posts displaying the corruptive powers of Victor Yanukovych (re-read my posts). If you were expecting more, well then, you will get it, i.e., documents were fished out of the waters around his estate that prove that he was corrupt, and that he more than likely was involved in Tetanya Chernobol’s attempted murder. As I said earlier this information will be brought to light.

I have yet to see any real evidence from reputable sources demonstrating these alleged crimes of Yanukovych. If such evidence existed it would have been presented to the Ukrainian Public and would have been presented to the Ukrainian Courts and I am sure all those 343 parliamentarians that you mention below would have acted on it.

So every single parliamentarian (343) who impeached him of crimes/murder is wrong, i.e., they based their opinions on simple hearsay???

I don’t know what they based their opinions on. Certainly not on any publicly available evidence. Maybe they based it on the barrel of a gun - you know, they same guns that were responsible for the violent overthrow of Yanukovych.

Are these Ukrainians whom you spoke to living in the Ukraine, and if they do, do they not know that Yanukovych initiated the violence and that he was rooted out by parliamentary vote, i.e., that is not a coup.

Yes, they are living in Ukraine.

No, they don’t for a moment believe the Western propaganda that says Yanukovych initiated the violence. In fact, they are upset that Yanukovych let a bunch of armed thugs, gangs and convicted, truly corrupt individuals like Yulia Tymoshenko take control of future of Ukraine.