Ukrainian Catholic leader meets with Canadian PM, decries Russian actions [CWN]

[SyroMalankara]

Better watch out for those Russian operative grannies!

http://rt.com/files/news/25/13/00/00/donetsk-1.jpg

Or maybe one should watch out for those Russian operative miners who help make the backbone of Ukrainian industry.
theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/12/east-ukraine-protesters-miners-donetsk-russia

Why are the grannies holding pre-printed uniform signs in English? Did they learn English just for this protest?

 

[Cavaradossi]

Why are the grannies holding pre-printed uniform signs in English? Did they learn English just for this protest?

Why are these protesters against Yanukovych holding signs in English? If holding signs in English (the most widely used Lingua Franca in the world) disqualifies a protest from being legitimate, then that certainly has a lot of implications for Euromaidan, Cairo, etc.

 

[Cavaradossi]

Why are the grannies holding pre-printed uniform signs in English? Did they learn English just for this protest?

Why did some of the Euromaidan protesters have English signs? Perhaps it is because English is the most extensively used Lingua Franca worldwide.
http://1.vsr.vz.tl/assets/images/cached/mGwmCJA-360.jpg

(I must admit, I like the misspelling of the word “error”. Shows that the person who made the sign probably has some familiarity with the English language, but not enough familiarity to understand English’s nonsensical spelling rules).

 

[josie_L]

He President was ousted by a democratically elected Parliament.

reuters.com/article/2014/02/22/us-ukraine-idUSBREA1G0OU20140222

In Canada, Parliament has the right to change the Prime Minister and\or the Secretary General. If they did so, it would not be a violation of democracy, but act of democracy. Why not in the Ukraine?

Has another poster so succintly put it:

But, as the whole world knows, it’s not a “coup d’etat” when a corrupt executive runs away and the legitimately elected parliament is still in place and continues to govern. The president is not the whole government. He’s one man, and only conditionally authorized to run his branch of government. Yanukovych ran away to a foreign, hostile power and aided it in attacking his own country. That’s not a coup d’etat, that’s a traitor forfeiting any right to his office.

Couldn’t have said it better.

 

[josie_L]

Better watch out for those Russian operative grannies!

http://rt.com/files/news/25/13/00/00/donetsk-1.jpg

Or maybe one should watch out for those Russian operative miners who help make the backbone of Ukrainian industry.
theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/12/east-ukraine-protesters-miners-donetsk-russia

You can post these pictures all you want but it doesn’t take much to realize that these separatists are not the ones that are taking over buildings and/or killing, torturing and kidnapping Ukrainians that stand in their way. . . . etc., and yes, Russian “tourists” have been known to incite and take part in the separatist movement.

p.s. I love how they call the government in Kyiv, Fascist, I wonder where they got that idea from, oh yes, Russian news outlets, probably RT (the propagandist arm of the Russian state).

 

[josie_L]

But there are even multiple videos up on Youtube of the slaying of an unarmed civilian in Mariupol, all taken from different angles (the wonder of camera phones, I guess). He was kneeling on the ground when he was shot in the head! This cannot just be passed off as RT being an unreliable source. And really, it is not as if the US mainstream media is any more reliable. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox all operate within a similar spectrum of government-approved perspectives. Can we truly trust a news network, after all, which thinks Eastern Ukraine is in the middle of Pakistan?

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1378254/cnn-point-pakistan-instead-ukraine.jpg

Who says I’m getting my news from any of the above, moreover, unlike those media outlets you mentioned, RT is:

is an international multilingual Russian-based television network. It is registered as an autonomous non-profit organization funded by the federal budget of Russia through the Federal Agency on Press and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation

In other words, RT is a state funded media outlet completely controlled by the powers that be in Russia, aka, Putin.

I am leary of the situation in Mariupol not only because of the conflicting stories given but also because there are Russian operatives working in Eastern Ukraine, i.e., just look at the likes of Igor Girkin, a Russian operative working hand in hand with the separatists:

Last Monday, one of the separatists’ leaders, a Russian citizen and intelligence officer, Igor Girkin – nicknamed Strelok – proclaimed himself the commander-in-chief of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic and turned to Russia for immediate military aid. He also called for law-enforcers in the Donetsk region to swear an oath of loyalty to this newly emerged state. And he intends to prosecute members of Ukrainian government, among others.

If Strelok is the negotiating party Russia wants to see at Ukraine’s round table, we presume that he is not welcome – by Ukraine, nor by OSCE co-facilitators. Why should a Russian special operative who had previously terrorised civilians in eastern Ukraine be the voice of the people? Rather, he is welcome at Ukraine’s criminal courts.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/17/ukraine-dialogue-russian-gun-putin

And as I said before videos can be edited.

 

[josie_L]

Current parties represented in the State Duma

United Russia
Единая Россия ER
ЕР Conservatism, Statism, Pragmatism, Centrism, Neoconservatism Dmitry Medvedev 238 seats

Communist Party of the Russian Federation
Коммунистическая партия Российской Федерации KPRF
КПРФ Communism, Marxism–Leninism, Patriotism, Left-wing Nationalism Gennady Zyuganov 92 seats

Political party LDPR
Политическая партия ЛДПР LDPR
ЛДПР Russian nationalism, Pan-Slavism, Neo–Imperialism, Mixed economy Vladimir Zhirinovsky 56 seats

A Just Russia
Справедливая Россия SR
СР Social democracy, Democratic socialism Nikolai Levichev 64 seats

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Russia

Just letting everyone know that if they’re going to denounce the Kyiv government of being fascist, one should look at the parties that make up the Russian Duma, i.e., the parliament is made of a far-right (that some would refer to as fascist) party, LDPR, which holds 56 seats out of a possible 440, while the Verkhovna Rada holds 35 seats (Svodoba) out of a possible 450 seats.

Here you’ll find a breakdown of the present interim Ukrainian government:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhovna_Rada

 

[KyrieEleison17]

The head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, the largest Eastern Catholic church in full communion with the Holy See, condemned recent Russian actions during a meeting with Canadian …

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Read any open commentating thread on Canada’s major news source, the CBC, and see how Canadians really feel about this “government” we have, which quite possibly fixed the last elections.

The CBC has had to close every thread about the situation in Ukraine.

I can tell you this much: the Canadian gov’t will have to pray that Canadian fighter pilots, soldiers and sailors are simply psychopaths before they will ever open fire on a Russian speaking Ukrainian or Russia. Exactly zero Canadians would support such effrontery.

 

[KyrieEleison17]

Just letting everyone know that if they’re going to denounce the Kyiv government of being fascist, one should look at the parties that make up the Russian Duma, i.e., the parliament is made of a far-right (that some would refer to as fascist) party, LDPR, which holds 56 seats out of a possible 440, while the Verkhovna Rada holds 35 seats (Svodoba) out of a possible 450 seats.

Here you’ll find a breakdown of the present interim Ukrainian government:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verkhovna_Rada

Amazing. You posted this exact same post on the actual thread about Ukraine in the world news section*, where I proved it to be monstrously misleading - and as a so-called resident of Canada, you have no excuse for pretending as if “the Parliament” means “the Government”; and most certainly and especially not in the Ukraine’s situation.

• And I get accused of being a (Russian) “bot”.

For our American friends, “Parliament” in Ukraine means “Congress”. We are talking about neo-Nazis in the government: i.e., “the Administration” itself.

 

[josie_L]

Amazing. You posted this exact same post on the actual thread about Ukraine in the world news section*, where I proved it to be monstrously misleading - and as a so-called resident of Canada, you have no excuse for pretending as if “the Parliament” means “the Government”; and most certainly and especially not in the Ukraine’s situation.

• And I get accused of being a (Russian) “bot”.

For our American friends, “Parliament” in Ukraine means “Congress”. We are talking about neo-Nazis in the government: i.e., “the Administration” itself.

Parliament is part of government is it not, i.e., it’s not like the two are mutually exclusive, moreover, you have provided no evidence that the “government” is neo-Nazi, you just claim that it is. And if you noticed, KyrieEleison, I did say the government in Kyiv, which in my mind meant parliament, moreover, recollect that I wrote both posts before you ever responded to either (one only has to look at when I posted my replies to see that).

God bless you!

p.s. And yes, I do live in Montreal, Canada, and if my word isn’t good enough, I have members on CAF who can attest that I live there.

 

[josie_L]

Read any open commentating thread on Canada’s major news source, the CBC, and see how Canadians really feel about this “government” we have, which quite possibly fixed the last elections.

The CBC has had to close every thread about the situation in Ukraine.

I can tell you this much: the Canadian gov’t will have to pray that Canadian fighter pilots, soldiers and sailors are simply psychopaths before they will ever open fire on a Russian speaking Ukrainian or Russia. Exactly zero Canadians would support such effrontery.

Are you referring to the robocalls that the CBC made such a big to do over?

Elections Canada has issued a report on its investigation into deceptive calls in the last election, concluding that “the evidence gathered in the investigation does not lend support to the existence of a conspiracy or conspiracies to interfere with the voting process.”

The investigation did find evidence that “incorrect poll locations were provided to some electors, and that some nuisance calls occurred,” but that does not show that the calls were made to try to prevent people from voting, according to Yves Cote, the commissioner of Canada Elections.

As a result, no charges will be laid, beyond those in Guelph, Ont., where former Conservative staffer Michael Sona faces trial this summer in relation to a robocall that sent hundreds of voters to the wrong polling station. He maintains his innocence.

o.canada.com/news/robocalls-report-finds-no-evidence-of-conspiracy-to-deceive-voters-beyond-guelph

I like our democratically elected prime minister Stephen Harper.

 

[Melchizedek89]

You’re asking me to prove the validity of my sources when I have provided links and the like in all my posts, honestly, Melchizedek, you have not provided ONE source to validate your unsubstantiated claims, moreover, I can easily rebuff your claims as you did mine, by stating that it is all Russian propaganda, because really, the only basis you have for rebuffing my claims is the fact that it is provided by Ukrainian and/or Western sources.

Perhaps you are unaware of Russian operatives work hand in hand with the separatists, perhaps you have missed the fact that the insurgents/terrorists are taking Ukrainian territories and ceding it to Russia, perhaps you missed the countless acts of terror committed by the separatists . . . . . . etc. In fact, all this insurgency is rather odd considering there will be an election held on May 25th, that’s why the present government is called an interim government, i.e., it’s a temporary government.

Oh yes, only the U.S. does such things, not Russia, never Russia, never.

You want to know something? You’re so incredibly block-headed and rabidly Russophobic that I could spend pages and pages typing up a list of all the sources, checking for bias and consistency/inconsistency during the past 7 months of this crisis, and explaining it in context to US and Russian foreign policy over the past several years, and it will be a total waste of my time! You already assume I’m “biased” in favour of Russia and that Ukraine (no doubt God’s Promised Land overflowing with milk and honey and beautiful women) is about to be taken over, annihilated and oppressed to death by the Russians. You also seem to think that the US and the EU and about to unleash a wave of prosperity and “freedom” (whatever you define this word as…) on Ukraine. As if the EU wants more unskilled labour and another debt-laden country! But I’m sure that some dirty politicians and businessmen will like it when the price of Ukrainian women drops in Amsterdam’s red light district.

Here’s your one source from me: youtube.com/watch?v=dfzMnP3ilcI
Despite a few swears and crude examples, I fully endorse it.

I’ve got a Masters thesis to write now, and Liturgy to attend in the morning…

 

[Melchizedek89]

I like our democratically elected prime minister Stephen Harper.

As a matter of fact, I don’t like our “democratically elected” prime minister. First off, the political dynamics of our party system and the centralized, corporatized media mean that our country is not democratic… issues that should be roundly discussed and debated in public are not, and this rubs off on our government, full of stinking, rotten “party lines” that career politicians mustn’t deviate far from. For example, the “upper tier” “Conservatives” in recent memory have been suppressing attempts to tighten up abortion laws. If anyone has half of a functioning brain and conscience, that’s priority #1. In conjunction, they’d also have to put in some pretty wild and socialistic policies to reduce the cost of living in this country, and at the same time set up an education system that teaches people marketable, useful skills, instead of a bunch of feel-good “we’re all smart” ****.

 

[Melchizedek89]

Parliament is part of government is it not, i.e., it’s not like the two are mutually exclusive, moreover, you have provided no evidence that the “government” is neo-Nazi, you just claim that it is. And if you noticed, KyrieEleison, I did say the government in Kyiv, which in my mind meant parliament, moreover, recollect that I wrote both posts before you ever responded to either (one only has to look at when I posted my replies to see that).

channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-far-right

 

[josie_L]

You want to know something? You’re so incredibly block-headed and rabidly Russophobic that I could spend pages and pages typing up a list of all the sources, checking for bias and consistency/inconsistency during the past 7 months of this crisis, and explaining it in context to US and Russian foreign policy over the past several years, and it will be a total waste of my time! You already assume I’m “biased” in favour of Russia and that Ukraine (no doubt God’s Promised Land overflowing with milk and honey and beautiful women) is about to be taken over, annihilated and oppressed to death by the Russians. You also seem to think that the US and the EU and about to unleash a wave of prosperity and “freedom” (whatever you define this word as…) on Ukraine. As if the EU wants more unskilled labour and another debt-laden country! But I’m sure that some dirty politicians and businessmen will like it when the price of Ukrainian women drops in Amsterdam’s red light district.

Here’s your one source from me: youtube.com/watch?v=dfzMnP3ilcI
Despite a few swears and crude examples, I fully endorse it.

I’ve got a Masters thesis to write now, and Liturgy to attend in the morning…

Am I supposed to care that a total stranger decided to insult me, not really, moreover, you still have not provided sources, it might good if you did so though, so people know you’re not just throwing words like “Nazified” indiscriminately.

 

[josie_L]

So you think I’m Russophobic and block-headed too, care to back that up, Jharek, with some evidence?

 

[dvdjs]

A small problem with the ostensibly sterling evidence: she did not call “people terrorist because they wear a St. George ribbon to honour the memory of those who died defending their nation.”

 

[josie_L]

channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-far-right

According to the article you provided:

Associate professor at Lund University Pers Anders Rudling, an expert on Ukrainian extremists, told Channel 4 News that there are other ministers who are also closely in the orbit of Svoboda.

Two weeks ago I could never have predicted this. A neo-fascist party like Svoboda getting the deputy prime minister position is news in its own right.

"There are seven ministers with links to the extreme right now. It began with Svoboda getting 10 per cent of the vote in the last election, it is certainly a concern in the long run."

Mr Rudling warned that Europe should pay greater attention to the politics of the new regime, while warning that this in no way endorsed the actions of Russia.

"It doesn’t help Ukraine to be selective and ignore this problem. Russia is using this to legitimise their unjustified aggression, I am not backing up that aggression by speaking about the rise of Svoboda."

If, I’m not mistaken the last election is a reference to the elections in 2012, as such the party Svoboda has been a presence in Ukraine prior to the Euromaidan protests, and even if there are a few ministers from the Svoboda party in the interim Ukrainian government this does not mean that the whole of the government is Fascist (nor does the fact that they hold seats in parliament for as I pointed out other countries, including Russia, have far more members that are far-right sitting in parliament), i.e., **to paint the whole government has fascist is mere hyperbole. **

In four years, Svoboda has gone from a fringe party - receiving less than 2% in presidential elections - to a major player in Ukrainian politics. Its members control six positions in the new government, including deputy prime minister, general prosecutor and defence.

But Svoboda members come in different shapes and sizes, with many people joining for its anti-corruption stance. Lately it has been toning down its nationalist rhetoric, in what may be an effort to go more mainstream. Moreover, it supports EU integration - an exception among Europe’s far right.

Ultra-nationalist parties, such as France’s National Front, are a fact of Europe’s present political landscape. Take out the word “Ukrainian” and many of Svoboda’s beliefs are widespread throughout the region and beyond. Especially in Russia.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-26468720

Here’s a list of cabinet ministers in the Interim government of Ukraine:

novinite.com/articles/158543/Kyiv+Post%3A+The+not-so-revolutionary+New+Ukraine+Government

I think what most of us need to worry about is the Russian/pro-Russian ultra-Nationalists that are terrorizing parts of the Eastern Ukraine, especially in light of the fact that most people in the Eastern Ukraine want remain united to the Ukraine (about 70% according to the latest Pew Research study).

 

[josie_L]

So I am to condemned by people who do not know me, great!!

 

[josie_L]

A small problem with the ostensibly sterling evidence: she did not call “people terrorist because they wear a St. George ribbon to honour the memory of those who died defending their nation.”

Thank you, dvdjs, a point I never made.