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Here is the relevant link with the directives.

usccb.org/bishops/directives.htm#partfour

“Compassionate and understanding care should be given to a person who is the victim of sexual assault. Health care providers should cooperate with law enforcement officials and offer the person psychological and spiritual support as well as accurate medical information. A female who has been raped should be able to defend herself against a potential conception from the sexual assault. If, after appropriate testing, there is no evidence that conception has occurred already, she may be treated with medications that would prevent ovulation, sperm capacitation, or fertilization. It is not permissible, however, to initiate or to recommend treatments that have as their purpose or direct effect the removal, destruction, or interference with the implantation of a fertilized ovum.”
 
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Seatuck:
Here is the relevant link with the directives.

usccb.org/bishops/directives.htm#partfour

“It is not permissible, however, to initiate or to recommend treatments that have as their purpose or direct effect the removal, destruction, or interference with the implantation of a fertilized ovum.”
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The thread is not about preventing conception, it is about aborting a child already conceived. This is clearly not allowed as the paragraph you posted states.
 
I have spoken with people that have been raped, and they all agree that if a woman who is raped becomes pregnant due to the rape, then they should be allowed an abortion. I guess that I am somewhat of an anomaly when it comes to these issues though. For one, I am male, so it is most odd that I would be even thinking about these issues. A justifiable reason? What amazes me, is people keep thinking that there is a simple answer to this incredibly difficult question. There is not one. You can swear up and down that there is one, but quite frankly, there’s not. Nor is there an easy answer to anything. No issue is “black & white”, and if you think that, well, it must be nice being able to wear rose tinted glasses. Sorry for the sarcasm, but that’s what happens. How do you know if they aren’t or are better for it? It is my understanding that humans do not possess the gift of fortune-telling. I may be wrong. What I am trying to show is the there truly are exceptions to everything. Really, there are. You want more of “muddled” issues…how about this.

What if you had to murder someone out of self-defense? Should that be treated the same as just murdering a stranger for the fun of it?

What if you had to steal food to feed your family? How do you handle that, surely not the same as just stealing things.

What if you had to choose between two sins in order to save your life? I had to do this, and does this make me a sinner? I was trying to save my life…what about that?

Life does have exceptions.

For the record, it doesn’t matter what the woman or man was doing, drinking, wearing, NO ONE deserves to be assaulted or abused in any way.

I asked the questions referring to God, because how can destructive evil still abound if He is watching over us? As far, as I’m concerned, everyone in my story saved themselves. I brought myself out of the darkness. My best friend moved away from here, and she’s doing great.

I think that abortion is wrong if the mother was being stupid. If she had a choice is sexual relations, and became pregnant, then she should have to keep the baby. But I strongly believe that if you are raped, and you become pregnant, you shouldn’t be “cast out” or feel like a sinner if you have an abortion. No, the baby isn’t different, but what about the mother? Like, what about the father or brother that rapes the teenage daughter or sister? We are not here to judge people, it’s not our place. Some have claimed that some people have deeply regretted the abortion…but to some rape victims, they may feel closure, as if that terrible part of their life is gone. In the end, it all depends on the individual. You can pick apart my feelings on this if you choose, but I think that it’s fair to agree to disagree, no?

It is interesting, because my friend’s and I share the same views on this, and many adults in my life think that same. It should be obvious by now though, that I am not Catholic (I wasn’t raised with any religion). But I have been exploring, and I find myself hitting walls, because there are many things that I have different views on. Do I feel wrong in my stances? Certainly not. I might be young, but I’ve learned that I have to stand tall with my feelings, because I will not be used in a dark manner any longer.

I am sorry for all of this talk of sexual assault, some would rather not even want to discuss it. But we can’t turn a blind eye, we have to know about these things. I grew up very odd, if someone would have told me what was going on, then it would have been easier. But, sometimes, the only things that I noticed in my life were the dark side of things. I spent almost my entire remembered childhood, being the toy of someone. And this weekend, is officially the two year anniversary of it ending.

One thing…when a person is assaulted, man or woman, the damage isn’t done. The assault is just one part of it.
 
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Poprox:
I have spoken with people that have been raped, and they all agree that if a woman who is raped becomes pregnant due to the rape, then they should be allowed an abortion.
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So? Is the wrongness of murder determined by majority vote?
I guess that I am somewhat of an anomaly when it comes to these issues though. For one, I am male, so it is most odd that I would be even thinking about these issues. A justifiable reason? What amazes me, is people keep thinking that there is a simple answer to this incredibly difficult question. There is not one. You can swear up and down that there is one, but quite frankly, there’s not. Nor is there an easy answer to anything. No issue is “black & white”, and if you think that, well, it must be nice being able to wear rose tinted glasses. Sorry for the sarcasm, but that’s what happens. How do you know if they aren’t or are better for it? It is my understanding that humans do not possess the gift of fortune-telling. I may be wrong. What I am trying to show is the there truly are exceptions to everything. Really, there are. You want more of “muddled” issues…how about this.
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Murder is reasonably defined as the killing of an innocent human being. The unborn fetus is an innocent human being. Therefore, aborting an unborn fetus is murder. How can there be an exception to that?
What if you had to murder someone out of self-defense? Should that be treated the same as just murdering a stranger for the fun of it?
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Legitimate self-defense is not murder.
What if you had to steal food to feed your family? How do you handle that, surely not the same as just stealing things.
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It doesn’t make the objective wrongness of stealing disappear. It might (and I emphasize might) mitigate my personal culpability (that is, it means that extreme circumstances make me less personally responsible for my actions.)
What if you had to choose between two sins in order to save your life? I had to do this, and does this make me a sinner? I was trying to save my life…what about that?
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Again, it might diminish my personal culpability, it doesn’t make objective wrongdoing suddenly right simply because I have an excuse.
Life does have exceptions.
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Agreed as far as it goes.
For the record, it doesn’t matter what the woman or man was doing, drinking, wearing, NO ONE deserves to be assaulted or abused in any way.
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Agreed.
I asked the questions referring to God, because how can destructive evil still abound if He is watching over us? As far, as I’m concerned, everyone in my story saved themselves. I brought myself out of the darkness. My best friend moved away from here, and she’s doing great.
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Ok, this is a fair question about the existence of evil which I’d be happy to deal with on another thread. For here, I’ll stick to abortion.
I think that abortion is wrong if the mother was being stupid. If she had a choice is sexual relations, and became pregnant, then she should have to keep the baby. But I strongly believe that if you are raped, and you become pregnant, you shouldn’t be “cast out” or feel like a sinner if you have an abortion. No, the baby isn’t different, but what about the mother? Like, what about the father or brother that rapes the teenage daughter or sister? We are not here to judge people, it’s not our place. Some have claimed that some people have deeply regretted the abortion…but to some rape victims, they may feel closure, as if that terrible part of their life is gone. In the end, it all depends on the individual. You can pick apart my feelings on this if you choose, but I think that it’s fair to agree to disagree, no?
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No one is picking on your feelings. Because they are irrelevent to the main question which you have not delt with: How does one wrong (abuse, rape, etc.) justify another (murdering an innocent human being through abortion)? I agree that we are not to judge people, but only in the sense that we cannot authoritatively declare the state of their relationship with God and their ultimate destiny. Using natural and divine law, reason, and simple apprehension we most certainly can and should judge human behavior.

Scott
 
I believe that I have dealt with the issue, and main question. I’ve come the realization that it is up to the individual, and it’s more important with how the individual thinks of themselves. Isn’t self-defense an excuse for killing someone? I mean really. The point that I am trying to make is being, for the most part, unheard. You can’t take a giant marker and mark all things as bad or evil. It’s more like a fine sharper, because some things do not go anywhere. What I find more amusing, is people aren’t taking the victim’s feelings into play. There should be more programs available to help those that have been victimized. To me, life does not begin until you have been born, and we can debate this issue all day. I will play no judge to anyone, and if you feel that way, then I’m sorry. We can’t use any tool to judge anyone. Divine law is subjective. Apprehension is subjective. Reason is subjective. I think what is a lesson to us all, is that everything in life is subjective. The fact remains though that the victim’s of sexual assault have enough to worry about than the self-righteous finger pointing of others. It doesn’t matter how they got out of it to save their lives, and if they became pregnant, then it is their decision to have an abortion, and I believe that they would be more than justified to make the decision.
 
Rape is an evil, but why would a woman who is a rape victim want to add to that another evil – the murder of abortion? She, of all people, should know what it is like to be the victim of such a terrible act of violence. Thus, that woman should be, out of anyone, the ideal one to see that abortion is clearly wrong.

I suggest reading these two stories.
  1. A woman who was raped, aborted her child, and deeply regrets it to this day. She suffered Post-Abortion Syndrome, began living an immoral lifestyle due to her regret, and attempted suicide.
    abortionfacts.com/reardon/testimonies/nancy_anders.asp
  2. A woman who was raped, allowed her child the chance at life, and gave her baby to a loving adoptive family.
    abortionfacts.com/life_or_choice/babies/babies_saved_tiffany.asp
I also read about studies done on women who suffered rape and became pregnant. Bringing the child to term was actually a healing process for them. OTOH, rape victims often suffer high suicide rates, and those who have abortions have similarly high suicide rates. Combining those two is a recipe for disaster, multiplying the rates and chances of suicide.

Suffering the evil of rape does not justify the performing evil of abortion. God is always on the side of life and has a purpose for that child. The child is God’s creation!
 
Poprox, I think you have made your position clear. Clearly, you do not believe in objective Truth. I believe I am not putting words in your mouth, as you have stated that several times, in several ways. Is this what you are, in fact, saying? If it is, unfortunately, I am afraid you are not going to get what you are looking for here.

I’ll tell you why. The huge majority of people here are clearly orthodox Catholic. We are here seeking Truth. We believe that Truth came down from heaven, walked this earth, died for our sins, and was hung on a cross to die.

If you do not believe in objective Truth, then it is easy to ignore the fact that a baby’s heart beats in utero. It is easy to say things like “abortion is okay in x, y, or z” circumstances, because you are not coming from the premise that an unborn baby is a baby.

Funny that you should mention the fact that experiences color our perceptions of things. You are absolutely right. You see, before I was a wife and mother, I used to understand how people could argue in favor of abortion. I was pro-life, but I at least understood the other side.

Then I got pregnant. I saw my son’s heart beating at six weeks gestation, saw his little fingers wriggling and moving. Before I hit the second trimester, I felt him moving within me, and felt every hiccup, kick and push. I fell in love. And I could no longer understand how anyone in their right mind could ever say that the child within me, with the beating heart, and moving fingers, and tiny little toes, was not a baby. I could no longer understand how anyone could possibly admit that this was, in fact, a child, but did not have the right to live.

You see, I believe in objective Truth. I believe that if my child within me, at six weeks, has a beating heart, then so does the child within any woman. And I also believe it is objectively true that anyone who has a beating heart has a right to live.
 
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Poprox:
. No, the baby isn’t different, but what about the mother? .
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Poprox,

You answered your own question right here. Remember there are 2 lives involved here – the mother & the baby. No life is greater than the other. Whether the baby is concieved from normal love relationship, rape or incest, the baby is still the same (reference the pictures in my past links).

You stated your friends agree with you as far as being Pro-Abortion on the rape issue. I bet you did not know the most Pro-Abortion segment of our population are males between the ages 18-25. So this really does not surprise me.

As far as your statement issues are not black & white. You are being persuaded into a false teaching many liberal professers are teaching today called “Relativism”. This teaching trys to convey to people there are no moral rights and wrongs. Rather everything is just relative to something else. I wish I had more information on “Relativism” but maybe someone else can provide you a link.

One of your “Relativism” questions was “What if you had to murder someone out of self-defense?” The Unborn Baby is not trying to kill anyone. He or she is defenseless and has no way of protecting themselves against an abortion (silentscream.org/) Thanks for coming on here. I hope my information helps out!
 
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Poprox:
I believe that I have dealt with the issue, and main question. I’ve come the realization that it is up to the individual, and it’s more important with how the individual thinks of themselves. Isn’t self-defense an excuse for killing someone? I mean really. The point that I am trying to make is being, for the most part, unheard. You can’t take a giant marker and mark all things as bad or evil. It’s more like a fine sharper, because some things do not go anywhere. What I find more amusing, is people aren’t taking the victim’s feelings into play. There should be more programs available to help those that have been victimized. To me, life does not begin until you have been born, and we can debate this issue all day. I will play no judge to anyone, and if you feel that way, then I’m sorry. We can’t use any tool to judge anyone. Divine law is subjective. Apprehension is subjective. Reason is subjective. I think what is a lesson to us all, is that everything in life is subjective. The fact remains though that the victim’s of sexual assault have enough to worry about than the self-righteous finger pointing of others. It doesn’t matter how they got out of it to save their lives, and if they became pregnant, then it is their decision to have an abortion, and I believe that they would be more than justified to make the decision.
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Poprox -

Sorry, but your logic is quite inconsistent here. “Everything in life is subjective.” ??? You can’t be serious, because if you believe this statement, then rape is okay because the rapist believes it is. Stealing is okay because the thief thinks it is. Murder is okay because the murdered has no problem ending a life.

You see, without some moral absolutes, or what we Catholics prefer to call objective Truth, everything is acceptable. It just depends on your point of view.

Based on your previous posts, you do not believe this yourself!

Peace & prayers.
 
Oh yes…calling me a hypocrite. I believe I know the statistics on suicidal tendencies referring to rape and sexual assualt (preaching to the choir there). It would seem as if I have made quite a fire under some individuals. However, what makes you think that YOU are right in your standings? Life is subjective. How dare you compare the rightfulness of rape, murder, and theft in that context. Taking someone’s words and logic and applying them to a slippery slope arguement is valiant indeed, however it is not wise. You can’t be serious for claiming that life has easy answers. Morality is an individual concept. Any church, and any religion can preach all it wants about rights and wrongs, but humans will go and screw things up…wait a minute…isn’t church and religion man-made? You can not even pretend to assume my standing’s on anything that I have posted. You are however free to twist my words, as you see fit. Seeing as that is all that is being accomplished. I just asked my simple question to see others standing, and to offer a different point of view. Yes, I did state the my friends and I shared the same views. But I failed to mention that my closest friends (I.E. the one’s with brains) are female. What does that do to your statistic tactic? Speaking of evils of humans…what about the things of the Spanish Inquisition? Yes, I know, in the past, and what could it possibly have to do with this? Let’s see, the MURDERING of people who didn’t believe what the Christian uppiy-ups believed. So, by claiming of moral rights, NOT being subjective, well…that’s a perfect example. Now, I am tired of this silly debate. Obviously, those that offer a different view other than the rose-colored glasses, cookie-cutter, one of yours will be forever chastised. I have made my points extremely clear and no one has bothered to even look at them (like the father-daughter incest, brother-sister incest…and other family atrocities). There are exceptions to life, and things are justifiable. And it is not our place to judge anyone. If you think you can, well you will lead a lonely life. The only false teachings are those that teach moral rightness, yet offer nothing but man-made lies and scandal. I will continue on with my heathenistic ideas, thank you very much.
 
Poprox,
No one is calling you a hypocrite. We just don’t agree with relativism.
It might help you to learn a little more about what Catholics believe. It is not a manmade religion.
I believe I speak for many here when I say we’ll be praying for you.
 
Poprox,

First off Calm down a little bit, no one here is attacking you personaly, we all love you and would like to communicate our Ideas to you, but I think some are getting frustrated because they think you don’t understand and are trying to make you understand what they think, maybe you do understand and thats great but just be Cool. I think that I may be able to help a little.
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Poprox:
However, what makes you think that YOU are right in your standings? Life is subjective. How dare you compare the rightfulness of rape, murder, and theft in that context.
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We are right in our standings because Jesus Christ (Truth) came down from heaven died on a Cross and started the Catholic Church. There is only one Objective (absolute) Truth that applies to everyone. One example would be murder. It is wrong for me to walk out my door and shoot someone, no matter where I am. That is Objective Truth. Rape is always wrong, theft is always wrong, (though in some cases warrented, but still always wrong) and abortion is always wrong (never warrented ever, period). I don’t get what you mean about comparing in the same context if you would like to respond to that for me that would be great.
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Poprox:
You can’t be serious for claiming that life has easy answers.
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No one here said that life was easy or that the answers would be what you wanted to hear, but the Truth remains. Some times there are easy answers in life, such as is abortion always wrong? Yes.
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Poprox:
…Morality is an individual concept…
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This is the Key point where we are having a problem. Catholics simply don’t belive that, and that theory doesn’t hold water.

Let me ask you this, if I had a glass of poison in my hand, and didn’t know that it was poison, would it still be poison? Of course, just because I don’t know that its poison doesn’t change that it is poison. Now if I was about to drink the glass of poison not knowing that it was poison and you were sitting next to me, and you knew that it was poison, would you stop me? I would most certianly hope so. So you try to stop me…but I yell “DON’T IMPOSE YOUR MORALLITY ON ME!” and drink it anyway…will I die? The answer is yes, just because I refuse to accept the fact that it is poison doesn’t make it anything else.

The same goes for Objective Truth, just because you don’t know about it, don’t believe in it, don’t accept it, doesn’t change the Truth at all. It still remains Objective Truth.

Would it be wrong for you to let me drink the poison that I think is water, while you know that it is poison and it will kill me? Of course, that is enough for you to be convicted in court as an accessory to murder. The same is happening here, people see you drinking poison (not accepting the Truth of moral laws) and they are trying to stop you from drinking it. People here care about you and are worried for your welfare, we just need to say that you are going in the wrong direction.
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Poprox:
…but humans will go and screw things up…
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I won’t argue with you there…but Christ said that his Church would stand until he returned and that the Gates of Hell would never prevail against it, in other words, though men screw up the Chruch can not and will not ever be destroyed or altered from what God has established.
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Poprox:
…wait a minute…isn’t church and religion man-made?..
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NOT the Catholic Chruch, established by Jesus Christ in 33 AD. If you mean the buildings yes but the Doctrine and Beliefs of the Catholic Chruch, nope Christ established those too.
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Poprox:
You can not even pretend to assume my standing’s on anything that I have posted. You are however free to twist my words, as you see fit…
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No we can’t know exactly where you are on all the issues that we are discussing here but we can, from your eariler posts and tone of your responses gage where you are on certain issues. Can you show me where someone has twisted your words, maybe if you clarify where someone has misunderstood you then we could understand better.

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Poprox:
…Speaking of evils of humans…what about the things of the Spanish Inquisition? Yes, I know, in the past, and what could it possibly have to do with this? Let’s see, the MURDERING of people who didn’t believe what the Christian uppiy-ups believed. So, by claiming of moral rights, NOT being subjective, well…that’s a perfect example…
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So everyone makes mistakes even Popes sometimes, but that doesn’t make the doctrine or the morals any less right and Truth. Just because Men are imperfect doesn’t mean that the Word of God is imperfect or that the Moral Laws are wrong, or that Objective Truth doesn’t exist. I fail to see how it is a perfect example, if you wouldn’t mind explaining it to me…
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Poprox:
…And it is not our place to judge anyone.
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I read the posts no one is judging you, or condeming you but that still doesn’t change the Truth (remember the Poison anology).
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Poprox:
…Now, I am tired of this silly debate. Obviously, those that offer a different view other than the rose-colored glasses, cookie-cutter, one of yours will be forever chastised. I have made my points extremely clear and no one has bothered to even look at them (like the father-daughter incest, brother-sister incest…and other family atrocities). There are exceptions to life, and things are justifiable. If you think you can, well you will lead a lonely life. The only false teachings are those that teach moral rightness, yet offer nothing but man-made lies and scandal. I will continue on with my heathenistic ideas, thank you very much.
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I really hope that your haven’t left the board, for one thing that would mean that I spent alot of time typing up something you aren’t ever going to read, and two how can you continue to discuss your opinions? So I am going to go off the hope that you are still here…We aren’t chastising you (poison anology) we simply are trying to help, offering our views and beliefs, which is what you wanted in the first place. People have looked at your points and have still stated our position, that abortion is always wrong no matter what the circumstances are. You lost me with the false teachings part…please explain that to me, and please continue to read these boards, I at least really appreciate your views and hope that we can continue to talk.

If you want to talk privately, my e-mail, instant messager, and pm options are avalible at my profile. Hope to hear from you and I will be praying for you.
 
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Poprox:
However, what makes you think that YOU are right in your standings?
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Natural and divine law, reason and simple apprehension pieced together in a clear, logical argument. Your only reply to everything seems to be “life is subjective”. The rest of your arguments do not follow your own premise as illustrated as follows:
Life is subjective. How dare you compare the rightfulness of rape, murder, and theft in that context. Taking someone’s words and logic and applying them to a slippery slope arguement is valiant indeed, however it is not wise.
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You say life is subjective, but then wax indignant about someone daring a comparison and tell us applying words and logic to a slippery slope argument is not wise. Well, if life is subjective, how can you make those statements? You are basically using subjectiveness to invalidate our arguments without even realizing it invalidates yours.
You can’t be serious for claiming that life has easy answers.
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How we should act in accordance with Truth is a reasonably straight-forward affair. Living up to it is difficult I’ll admit. But just because a standard is difficult to live up to does not mean the standard is faulty.
Morality is an individual concept.
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No it’s not, which you acknowledged earlier when you said NO ONE deserves to be raped or abused.
Any church, and any religion can preach all it wants about rights and wrongs, but humans will go and screw things up…wait a minute…isn’t church and religion man-made?
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Yes, humans will go a screw things up…it’s called the doctrine of sin. And Our Lord also taught us another thing…the availability of forgiveness when we do screw up. But that doesn’t mean that we pretend that screwing up is not screwing up. Again, your own words defeat the “Life is subjective” premise.
You are however free to twist my words, as you see fit.
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You don’t need any help from us. I have shown two instances where you twisted your own words.
Seeing as that is all that is being accomplished. I just asked my simple question to see others standing, and to offer a different point of view. Yes, I did state the my friends and I shared the same views. But I failed to mention that my closest friends (I.E. the one’s with brains) are female. What does that do to your statistic tactic? Speaking of evils of humans…what about the things of the Spanish Inquisition? Yes, I know, in the past, and what could it possibly have to do with this? Let’s see, the MURDERING of people who didn’t believe what the Christian uppiy-ups believed. So, by claiming of moral rights, NOT being subjective, well…that’s a perfect example. Now, I am tired of this silly debate. Obviously, those that offer a different view other than the rose-colored glasses, cookie-cutter, one of yours will be forever chastised. I have made my points extremely clear and no one has bothered to even look at them (like the father-daughter incest, brother-sister incest…and other family atrocities). There are exceptions to life, and things are justifiable. And it is not our place to judge anyone. If you think you can, well you will lead a lonely life. The only false teachings are those that teach moral rightness, yet offer nothing but man-made lies and scandal. I will continue on with my heathenistic ideas, thank you very much.
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I’m not going to answer every objection in the above as much of it is rant. But I am sorry to see you bail. Yes, you have made your points extremely clear but we HAVE bothered to look at them and we have more than adequetly shown the “Life is subjective” premise to be logically incoherent.

My prayers go with you.

Scott
 
Poprox,

This whole thread is about something besides rape or abortion. You’ve encountered real evil in your life and now you’re trying to figure out what’s going on, trying to get to the truth. I salute you for it.

Although it may not seem like it, everyone who answered you is trying to the best of their ability to help. And there’s good stuff here. You presented your views well, and your points weren’t missed – don’t miss theirs.

Hang in there, keep asking these excellent questions. Keep reading and talking to people you respect, but above all pray well and often for yourself, your friends and the others who’ve been deeply hurt, and for us. And I will do the same.
 
Thou shalt not murder

That is about as black and white as God will ever make it

Love Kellie
 
Poprox, no one has called you a hypocrite. A hypocrite is one who preaches one thing but does another (i.e. the pastor who preaches poverty but lives in a mansion). We are merely saying that some of your views are inconsistent, and would like you to please clarify them. This is not hypocrisy. This is what people do when they are debating. How else could we possible learn from one another?

I agree that some of what you said has been inconsistent. For example, you say that you would never judge anyone. You said this several times, in several posts. Correct? But then you said someone who is “just stupid” should not be allowed to have an abortion because she should live with the consequences of her actions. How can you say that someone’s choices were “stupid” without being judgemental?

Also, I fail to see how any of your questions have not been answered. Have you read all of the responses? :confused: Every single one of your questions has been answered.
 
Dear Poprox…this is for you.
Lord Jesus, we come before you, and we ask you to pour out Your Love, and Your Mercy on Poprox. We ask You to hold on to her real tight and help her to realize that You are the author of All Life…
We ask You to hold her as she grieves, from the trauma’s she’s been through in her short life…
We ask You to allow her to feel Your presence, and let her know that You are a merciful God, who didn’t want any of those bad things to happen to her…
We ask You to help her forgive, those who have hurt her in any way…
And we ask You to shine Your light in her life.
Please help her Lord, she needs You at this time in her life…
We beg You Lord to help her realize the Truth…
Lord, she is sooo young…and only You can lead her on the right path…
Blessed Mother we ask you to put Your Motherly Mantle over her…protect her and keep her safe. And we ask You to intercede to Your Son for her, please pray for her O Sweet Blessed Virgin.
Amen.
Snuffy

Lord, You alone are worthy of All Praise and Glory, and we thank You for giving us Your Son.
 
Deuteronomy 24:16: “Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall the children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin.”
 
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