Um...just a quick question

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Oh yes…calling me a hypocrite. I believe I know the statistics on suicidal tendencies referring to rape and sexual assualt (preaching to the choir there). It would seem as if I have made quite a fire under some individuals. However, what makes you think that YOU are right in your standings? Life is subjective. How dare you compare the rightfulness of rape, murder, and theft in that context. Taking someone’s words and logic and applying them to a slippery slope arguement is valiant indeed, however it is not wise. You can’t be serious for claiming that life has easy answers. Morality is an individual concept. Any church, and any religion can preach all it wants about rights and wrongs, but humans will go and screw things up…wait a minute…isn’t church and religion man-made? You can not even pretend to assume my standing’s on anything that I have posted. You are however free to twist my words, as you see fit. Seeing as that is all that is being accomplished. I just asked my simple question to see others standing, and to offer a different point of view. Yes, I did state the my friends and I shared the same views. But I failed to mention that my closest friends (I.E. the one’s with brains) are female. What does that do to your statistic tactic? Speaking of evils of humans…what about the things of the Spanish Inquisition? Yes, I know, in the past, and what could it possibly have to do with this? Let’s see, the MURDERING of people who didn’t believe what the Christian uppiy-ups believed. So, by claiming of moral rights, NOT being subjective, well…that’s a perfect example. Now, I am tired of this silly debate. Obviously, those that offer a different view other than the rose-colored glasses, cookie-cutter, one of yours will be forever chastised. I have made my points extremely clear and no one has bothered to even look at them (like the father-daughter incest, brother-sister incest…and other family atrocities). There are exceptions to life, and things are justifiable. And it is not our place to judge anyone. If you think you can, well you will lead a lonely life. The only false teachings are those that teach moral rightness, yet offer nothing but man-made lies and scandal. I will continue on with my heathenistic ideas, thank you very much.
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Morality cannot be an individual concept. If it is, then the morality of a rape would depend on the rapist. If the rapist decided for himself that rape is a morally proper act then it would be moral for him to rape someone. He might justify to himself the rape by saying that he is a biological being in need of sexual pleasure and rape is the only way he can get it. He might say that it is not for others to judge him. When confronted with the wrongness of rape, he might try to change the subject by bringing up the Spanish inquisition. In his sick, confused conscience he may feel that rape is the right thing to do.

Arguing that rape is a moral act is absurd, of course. But it is not any more absurd than saying that morality is an individual concept. Because when you say that morality is an individual concept, then you are saying that rape can be moral if the individual rapist defines it as moral.

Your dialogue with others on this board hasn’t accomplished anything because until we can get you to admit that morality is defined apart from individual choice, discussing the morality of any proposed action is useless. In order to find the true answer to your question, you have to first believe that there is such a thing as absolute truth.

You have asked us about the morality of abortion in the case of rape but you have denied your own premise in your question - that is - that there is any absolute morality at all.

So let’s start with this question before we go any farther:
Is it ever moral for one person to rape another?
If not, then there must be absolute morality apart from the individual.

After I can get you to answer that question with a no and then agree with the necessary conclusion, maybe we can start talking about abortion more porductively.
 
What if a women for some reason couldn’t abort right a way… would she be justified in strangling her infant when it was born?

Not all women who have been raped think that abortion in the case of rape should be allowed. I know MANY that don’t.

Many women who have abortions after the rape DO feel guilty about the abortion. They were innocent wrt the rape - they had no choice, in the abortion they have a choice. If they choose to kill and innocent baby, their innocent baby, because of the violence committed against them then they a some point must face that. The option of killing an innocent because of someone else’s crime shouldn’t be an option.

Rapist are not sentenced to death, why should the innocent baby conceived in a rape be sentenced to death?
I am sorry, but killing a baby is ALWAYS wrong.
 
Um…NOT just a quick question-huh?

May God’s abundant blessings be with you and may you never have to make this LIFE decision.
 
Hi, I’d like to add something:

10 years ago a relative of mine was raped and ended up pregnant. She was single and had no plans to have a baby…she knew she could not have an abortion because “2 wrongs don’t make a right”. She decided to keep the baby. She says she has never once regretted keeping her baby and that her son is a blessing that God has given her. She says that her child has actually helped in the healing process. You see, the rapist meant it for evil, but God meant it for good. 🙂
 
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johnnyjoe:
No, the child was concieved through the Power of the Holy Spirit. Your post belies the fact that you may still be angry at God for the sin of Rape. The child is indeed a constant reminder, but not of the sin of rape, but of the Mercy of God who always offers us the opportunity to bring forth good from evil. The evil of rape can offer the healing of new life, if God so wills it. Rape is but one of the sins that can befall man, and the Resurrection is greater than ANY of man’s sins. If it is not, then we worship a shallow and fickle God, and the history of God’s Mercy is all the evidence we need, if we acknowledge it, to know that regardless of the evils that can befall us, God will lift us up and make us whole.
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I would like the focus the topic on the rapist himself. If the end result is that a “good - a child” comes from the evil of rape, then why do we prosecute and put rapists in jail? If the rapist is causing a “good” to occur in the end, then isn’t the rapist part of the intention for the new life to be created, which in itself is good?
 
David Reardon, a bioethicist is the head of The Eliot Institute. They research post abortion syndrome and all the effects of abortion. One of the great books they publish is “Victims and Victors”. It specifically addresses women who have been raped and the abortions they had or didn’t have. It also addresses other issues related to this.
afterabortion.org/
Check it out.
 
As far as incest goes, if abortion clinics were REQUIRED to report child abuse, the way real doctors are, the girl would be immediately removed from her abusive family. The father would have be put in jail.

But she is allowed to have an abortion and the abuse continues.

And rape:
We need to do all we can to help the woman who is pregnant through rape. What does she need? Before we can answer that, we need to examine what her specific problems are.

Researchers say that women feel dirty, helpless, and insecure after having been raped. They experience shame or guilt, as if they were somehow responsible. They feel violated, and may feel anger and rage toward men. And perhaps most important, they suffer from very low self-esteem. But almost never will you hear it said that pregnancy is the primary problem. There are many, many examples of women who say that they have at least learned to accept and live with the fact that they have been raped. However, many who had abortions say they will never be able to accept the fact that they killed their own baby. Through abortion she becomes not only a victim of someone else’s actions, but of her own as well.

Let’s not victimize the rape victim twice. She needs love, not abortion.

The ends does not justify the means.​

God Bless, much prayers to you.
+JMJ

check out priestsforlife.org
 
As someone trained in psychology, I should point out that the emotional and psychological trauma from an abortion tends to be much greater than that of a single-incedent rape. Just look for the studies. Abortion is harder to recover from than rape, and part of the reason is that we are more willing to discuss the trauma of rape but not of abortion. There is an absolute truth and that is all I have to say.
 
{Poprox}

I wish I could say something to ease your pain and difficulty, but I know words can be so empty sometimes…

I can only suggest taking a look at the life of Pam Stenzel: pamstenzel.com/

She spends her time giving awesome talks to teens about chastity and abortion. I make my teens watch her videos. I wish she had been around when I was a teen - my life would have been a lot different then… I cry buckets everytime I watch :crying:

Pam is the daughter of a rapist: her mother was a teenager, was raped, and gave her up for adoption. However, as she says, it does NOT make her less of a person. And she is absolutely amazing - a very gifted speaker. I’m sure her presence in this world has made a difference in many lives.
 
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