UN staff killed in Afghan protest over Quran burning in US

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lynx said:
;7725022Oxford definition of bigotry: bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself

@Prodigal Son1 - Some people will never understand that what the pastor said was bigoted because it conforms to what they believe, their opinion. Racial stereotypes and Christian-religious-centrism win out over the demonized, as such, cultural-intolerance is developed and fostered. Why shouldn’t it when there are so few positive displays of the middle east in western culture? I’m not sure how to fix it. It’s difficult to talk to someone who has already judged you and the extent that you know. My only thought would be to counter such hate with their own beliefs, and hopefully cause an epiphany from within. Luckily, the words of Jesus are powerful enough, that hopefully, only peace and tolerance for one another can be found in them. As such I leave a few quotes, already in this thread:
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When all else fails run out bigot or racist.:rolleyes:
 
estesbob said:
There are not hate laws in the US. I can say as many hateful things as i want and burn many Korans or bibles as I want. I think which you are referring to, however, is hate crimes legislation. which impose a greater penalty for a crime if they can prove that it was motivated by "hate. I personally do find these laws as infringing on our freedoms as they are applied subjectively and in my opinion all crimes are hate crimes . But again these are not hate laws as we see in other countries.

Let me give an example. I assault someone in a bar. I’m guilty of assault and battery and am laible for the maximum penalties the law prescribes for this crime. However if they can prove that I asted the because of their race, creed, gender or country of national origin under hate crimes legislation I can receive a stiffer penalty.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
lynx said:
Oxford definition of bigotry: bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself

@Prodigal Son1 - Some people will never understand that what the pastor said was bigoted because it conforms to what they believe, their opinion. Racial stereotypes and Christian-religious-centrism win out over the demonized, as such, cultural-intolerance is developed and fostered. Why shouldn’t it when there are so few positive displays of the middle east in western culture? I’m not sure how to fix it. It’s difficult to talk to someone who has already judged you and the extent that you know. My only thought would be to counter such hate with their own beliefs, and hopefully cause an epiphany from within. Luckily, the words of Jesus are powerful enough, that hopefully, only peace and tolerance for one another can be found in them.
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Which it is the more bigoted act - burning a single book or murdering several people that were trying to help the helpless? Which is the more damaging stereotype of cultural-intolerance?
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
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SamH said:
Which it is the more bigoted act - burning a single book or murdering several people that were trying to help the helpless? Which is the more damaging stereotype of cultural-intolerance?
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Is this a comparison to see who can be the bigger bigot? This is not a game worth playing. Every group will have its radicals, it’s just important to remember that a few do not represent the whole. I would have thought with the recent Catholic scandals people would be more understanding of this…
SamH said:
And use it in a tragic comedy kind of way.
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At some point bigotry exists. Do you disagree with the definition I posted or that pastor does not behave intolerantly of followers of Islam?
 
lynx said:
Is this a comparison to see who can be the bigger bigot? This is not a game worth playing. Every group will have its radicals, it’s just important to remember that a few do not represent the whole. I would have thought with the recent Catholic scandals people would be more understanding of this…
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I agree, no contest, the murderers win hands down, don’t you agree?
 
Santi2 said:
Freedom of speech was not tethered at the protest march against the Holy Father last year nor was it tethered on Armistice Day. The difference between our laws on free speech is that we cannot use it to incite public disorder.
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If you say so.😛
I am sure that any kind of blasphemy against Christianity would be allowed of course, because Christians do not tend to murder those who disagee

😉
Good dhimmis, one and all.
 
"iamrefreshed:
Yes, the vast majority of this “peaceful village” supported this violence.

Even the leader of Afghanistan incited his own people.
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Even if I conceded this generalization, how is what goes on in a backwater town in what is truly the backwater of the world (Afghanistan, that is) reflective of the billion or so Muslims in the world. Jews were being slaughtered by Chrisitans in the Russian countryside into the 20s, what would that have said about Christians in France or the Netherlands?
iamrefreshed said:
When all else fails run out bigot or racist.:rolleyes:
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Yes, because we all know bigots and racists are just mythical creatures. Say anything you want about Muslims or Arabs, then it’s not bigoted, it’s just “politically incorrect.”
 
lynx said:
At some point bigotry exists. Do you disagree with the definition I posted or that pastor does not behave intolerantly of followers of Islam?
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At least have the guts not to hide behind the pastor when you use the word bigot. You’re not fooling anyone, we all know what your “CAF Poster” quotes were about.:mad:
 
Darryl1958 said:
If you say so.😛
I am sure that any kind of blasphemy against Christianity would be allowed of course, because Christians do not tend to murder those who disagee
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I say so. 😛

Blasphemy laws have been repealed some time ago. Mind you, Christians and Jews sought for blasphemy laws to be extended to Islam at the time of the Rushdie furore. However, government decided to do away with the whole lot instead.
 
Raskolnikov said:
Even if I conceded this generalization, how is what goes on in a backwater town in what is truly the backwater of the world (Afghanistan, that is) reflective of the billion or so Muslims in the world. Jews were being slaughtered by Chrisitans in the Russian countryside into the 20s, what would that have said about Christians in France or the Netherlands?
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I never made the statement that it involved all of Islam. I said it involved a majority in that village. You made the next leap. Why?🤷
 
iamrefreshed said:
I never made the statement that it involved all of Islam. I said it involved a majority in that village. You made the next leap. Why?🤷
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Because another poster asked you about Muslims in general, and while dodging the question you deferred to this particular incident as though it were a hint of what the whole is like. And you did say “yes,…” So I just figured that’s what yes meant. Granted, if I ask someone, “do you dislike all lemonade?”, and they respond “Yes, this glass tasted ver bad” am I to assume the yes describes all lemonade, or just the one glass? I think I’m going too far with the metaphor though. Suffice it to say that I figured you were syaing yes to the general question.
 
LemonAndLime said:
Can you find the peaceful Christians in this?

youtube.com/watch?v=xKo1PuZWmd8

Or this?

youtube.com/watch?v=llZDzVtrOdw&feature=related

What a terrible, unfair and biased question you asked. So you really do think that there are no peaceful Islamic people in the world. You are presenting a very ugly face of prejudice here and you are not showing a good example.
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Iamrefreshed - you never responded to this post after you suggested that the Islamic religion is not a peaceful one.
 
Raskolnikov said:
Because another poster asked you about Muslims in general, and while dodging the question you deferred to this particular incident as though it were a hint of what the whole is like. And you did say “yes,…” So I just figured that’s what yes meant. Granted, if I ask someone, “do you dislike all lemonade?”, and they respond “Yes, this glass tasted ver bad” am I to assume the yes describes all lemonade, or just the one glass? I think I’m going too far with the metaphor though. Suffice it to say that I figured you were syaing yes to the general question.
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I dodged nothing. How would I know if the majority of Muslims are violent? Who would ask that question if not to bait someone.

This thread is about the Quran burning and the violence ensuing, correct?🤷

I believe my eyes and video. The majority in that village acted violently. The End.

I love lemonade!👍
 
LemonAndLime said:
Iamrefreshed - you never responded to this post after you suggested that the Islamic religion is not a peaceful one.
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I suggested no such thing.

I didn’t respond to your post because I found it offensive.🤷
 
LemonAndLime said:
You said this when you were asked whether you think that all Islamic people are violent.

Now you tell me who should be the one who is offended, and who should be the one sorry for causing offence. 🤷
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So can you show me the peaceful ones in that village concerning this incident?

Where did I condemn ALL ISLAM?

I should be the one offended and you should be sorry for suggesting I thought all Islam violent.

I’ll even forgive you.👍
 
iamrefreshed said:
Rioting happened in a “peaceful village”.

This wasn’t some fringe group. These were everyday regular folk.
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So… everyday, regular ISLAMIC people?

That to me is certainly saying that everyday regular Islamic people are violent.

But don’t worry, I will forgive you for your prejudice and for your denial of fault. 👍

Just to remind you - I’m not the only person on this thread who has accused you of this.

I think the worst thing is that you are still trying to prove that the video shows that Islamic people are by nature violent, while ignoring my evidence that, by your logic, shows that Christian people are violent also. As of course, as one other poster has pointed out, you seem to think that one video is enough proof. 🤷
 
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