UN staff killed in Afghan protest over Quran burning in US

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LemonAndLime said:
They didn’t say that. They said that people who misused it to the point of causing trouble should be punished. It’s like saying someone who thinks there should be rules about gun ownership is anti-guns. No they’re not, they just think there should be controls in place. No freedom without laws. No peace without preparing for war. That sorta thing.
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It would be a terrible, terrible precednet if we let a bunch of thugs half way across the world bring about laws limiting our Freedoms.
 
It would be a terrible, terrible precednet if we let a bunch of thugs half way across the world bring about laws limiting our Freedoms.

Apparently the Brits, Danes and French want company!:mad:
 
pnewton said:
I think we are talking past each other a lot. Some one said they were surprised that anyone is supporting the pastor, when no one has. I bet not one person here would ever burn a Koran or support one who would. On the other hand, those that are condemning of the pastor really aren’t exusing the murderers. In the long run, the only real disagreement here, other than a matter of degree, is over the issue of free speech, or free expression. On that, there is geniune disagreement.
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I have no issue burning a Koran. In fact, I think I might just light one up tonight just to prove my point.
 
jilly4ski said:
This is incorrect, George Tiller had very stringent security measures because he knew he was in danger, (I believe he had is clinic blown up a time or two). The guy who shot him, had studied his movements to find away around the security. Thus it was well known that extremists would and had in the past reacted violently to his actions.
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I tried to qualify my statement by saying the dangers were not as widely known as Muslim extremists were known for. I also explained I had to read up to see who he was and in reading found he was shot more than one instance. The other difference, I failed to post but is important, was he did what he felt was lawful to do and did not do it intentionally to incite a people.
jilly4ski said:
Someone posted about the other protests, but has anyone died in those protests? So apparently Muslims aren’t as violent as you are trying to imply. So some Muslims protest peacefully, (stomping on an effigy is still peaceful). Just this one riot in Afghanistan was violent? So I guess it wasn’t so much of a given that his actions would have resulted in violence.
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I have been repeatedly posting that I did not think all people of the Islamic faith were violent. I’m sorry I did not make myself clear enough for everyone to understand that.

He admitted, in more than one interview, that he realized, prior to burning the Koran, there was a possibility of a violent reaction from Muslims because of his actions, I also posted the fact that several government officials tried to dissuade him, and that the Vatican and others condemned his plans. Whether everyone wants to admit or not, we all know that the extremists are prone to violence even if it means a suicide attack.
jilly4ski said:
The reason why I cannot put him on the same plane as the people in the riot, is because it took another positive action of another to create the violence. These people didn’t just all see this video all at once and go out on to the street on their own accord to kill UN workers. Rather leaders in the community told them to become violent. Without their actions no violence would have taken place. The pastors actions alone did not create the violence, it took positive actions of other (besides those the did the actual killing) to spark the violence.
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I am not trying to measure his sin against the sins of others. I have repeatedly stated it was a shared responsibility between him and those he incited, whether they were incited and called more into the fray or acted directly in the killings. What that measure is, is not for me to judge so, I cannot say. I had thought about asking you to show the source for who called for the violence, but it’s a moot point since they would not have called for the violence without his act having taken place first, in this particular instance.

Now I have, repeatedly, explained my view and have questions out there, for those who disagree that the pastor shares any of the blame, that have not been answered. What suggestions are there for dealing with extremists, living among peaceful and innocent people?
 
LemonAndLime said:
So protests = wanting Taliban and Sharia law.

In that case, university students in England are very keen on it also.
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Who here is objecting to protest? If you have been listening to the news or reading any posts here, it is murder that is being discussed. Let us not be obtuse, okay? I said the reverse than you said and a reversal is not a logical equivalent. If university students in England regularly went on killing rampages in their protest, I would say that there is something very evil at the root of their protest. It would not be Sharia Law, but it would indicate something evil.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Collateral damage. Anyway, if they are killed while faithfully exercising their religion, they go to heaven, right. We’d be doing them a favor.
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And where can I find the scriptural, or other spiritual writings from the Church, to support that type action?
 
lynx said:
Be sure to let the local media know for maximum efficiency :rolleyes:
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Nah, I’m not really interested in one of you all starting a thread here blaming me if 17 UN Libyan teenage missionaries are beheaded and called bad names because I set fire to a book.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
And where can I find the scriptural, or other spiritual writings from the Church, to support that type action?
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In the sacred scripture forum.

Face it, you have no solution, we have no solution. Man goes on facing evil.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Nah, I’m not really interested in one of you all starting a thread here blaming me if 17 UN Libyan teenage missionaries are beheaded and called bad names because I set fire to a book.
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Too late. I’ve drowned seven puppies and three kittens already.

How are those pygmy rhinos?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
By scriptural, I mean the Bible. By other spiritual writings from the Church, I am speaking of the Catholic Church.
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Well, Sacred Tradition would say that the unbaptised would undergo judgement. We rely on the mercy of Christ to do the right thing. However, being unbaptised, they would not necessarily be ready for heaven.
 
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