Unamerican Secret Trial presided by Democrat Adam Schiff

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Looks like the nytimes found the smoking gun! Trying to influence public opinion, unheard of!
 
Maximus1 said:
I don’t see the link to anything illegal. Communication existed. I guess that is established. But this type of communication is being handled via proper channels. At best, Burisma seems to be using their asset for access. Maybe that is why they paid. That is sort of the rule in hiring rather than an anomaly. Privilege is real.
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You are aware that some $7 billion just seems to have disappeared in Ukraine during Joe Biden’s involvement there from all this “communicating via proper channels?”
 
I am aware it is a country invaded and dominated by a cleptocrats. Manafort represented a Putin puppet who fled to Putin’s Assylum and was convicted of TREASON.
Stolen money is their reality. That said, there is no link to the Biden’s according to them. It is their issue to Perdue until Trump made it a campaign investigation.
 
Maximus1 said:
It is their issue to Perdue until Trump made it a campaign investigation.
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Even if there was this link to aid for a Biden investigation which there was not, it is not illegitimate to investigate illegal and corrupt activities of a VP. By your logic if the impeachment goes to trial, Warren, Sanders, Harris, Booker, etc can’t vote to impeach because it could Personally help them politically. Of course, there is very little logic used in this and just dislike.

As a matter I think there should be a demand to investigate. If the VP used his official position to do what some think he did it should be investigated officially.
 
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Sondland presumes there was, did you miss that? Seriously, presume, did for sure, others indicate otherwise, it’s a mixed bag at best.
 
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The choice not to investigate belongs to Ukraine, which was made before Trump was in the picture.
It is a crime according to three of Trump’s hand picked diplomats. Bribery( and attempted extortion and election law violation. ) It might also include a RICO charge, since it was a conspiracy involving Rudy and others.
People can decide bribery isn’t enough but that is an evaluation of self interest and willingness to ignore crime.
Thing is, after Russia, the very decision to more aggressively solicit foreign intervention in our election mandated action. You cannot send a message that laws can be ignored. You cannot solicit foreign help in elections.
Trump’s willingness to do it again guarantees getting away with it means it is a tool of the executive branch at his disposal. That is his pattern according to his own former Secretary of State and National Security Advisor. Frankly, I don’t know how Americans ignore it. I get the dissapointment, but he and Rudy have been on TV saying it was OK if he does it. Apparently they follow Nixon’s logic that if a president does it, no matter what, it isn’t a crime.
The good thing is the Impeachment hearing and the trial. There is no way to dissinform when a case is presented. The evidence comes in and we see it. Then, no answer is possible. Trump cannot doublespeak in a trial. The nation WATCHES HIS OWN LAWYERS FLAIL AT FUTILITY. Like Kansas yesterday, Americans can and will be left with truth. Then we will see if they can nullify. His defense is nullification of truth. That’s all that matters in the end. Loosing in the reddest state in the union is the most significant factor. He won by 30 points there. Democrats don’t want him removed. He needs( I repeat needs) to be there to take the GOP down nationally.
 
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Woodyl57 said:
Sondland presumes there was, did you miss that?
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Actually he indicated to his Ukrainian counterparts that there likely was. Even the Washingtone Examiner gets this.

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Testimony by diplomats Volker and Sondland incriminates Trump - Washington Examiner

In the midst of his now-released testimony to the House Intelligence Committee, former diplomat Kurt Volker confirmed a key point about the impropriety of aspects of President Trump’s pressure on Ukraine’s government.A column of mine six weeks ago explored this key consideration. In sum, it...
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Likely was from his purview. You apparently have only eyes for what you want to see. Trump says there wasn’t, Zelensky says there wasn’t. Sondland says likely so you have your smoking gun. Fortunately for the sake of justice you don’t make the decision.
 
Thing is your dislike for Trump isn’t enough and you see a crime in every tweet he sends. Fortunately for the sake of justice you are in charge either.
 
Woodyl57 said:
Likely was from his purview.
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He was working for Trump administration communicating to other governments on its behalf. He communicated his understanding. And in doing so incriminated Trump.

Trump is welcome to make the case that his people didn’t properly understand and/or communicate the aims of the administration. There is probably a quarter fo the electorate that will buy that stuff.
 
His Ambassador hand picked by his own SEC OF STATE said quid pro quo.
 
Bottom line is there was no aid withheld, no investigation initiated by Ukraine, no quid pro quo. You want to prove intent good luck. You under estimate the portion of the electorate that can be convinced and if the dems don’t then step up and put your theory where your mouth is and let the electorate decide next November. I understand, with the caliber of candidates you have, why you don’t want to do that.
 
It doesn’t work that way. Trump has no other efforts to STEM FOREIGN curruption in his life no less Ukraine. It is not credible to say this was him doing his job. And what makes the claim slam dunk was his extortive efforts just to get the Ukraine president to go public to say he is investigating. An action to affect the primary now
 
Biden must be held accountable, but he won’t. Clinton should have been held accountable, but she wasn’t.

Now you demand Trump be held accountable for something he didn’t do that you only hope he did and wish beyond wish he did. Doesn’t look like he will be fortunately.

I have some hope Horowitzc and Durham will at least hold some of the criminality in the Government accountable, but am not holding my breath.
 
dvdjs said:
What is the charge?
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Same charge as Trump, but it won’t be investigated because you don’t think it worth investigating.
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She and all sorts of matter that people claimed pertained to her were investigated extensively. And she not charged with anything. That is how justice works.
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Oh, is that how justice works? So what must Trump be held accountable for? No charge on Russia and if Senate doesn’t convict on Dem impeachment scam then no charge there. But he MUST be held accountable you say. You have selective ideas of accountability.
 
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