Unamerican Secret Trial presided by Democrat Adam Schiff

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JonNC said:
no vote for an impeachment inquiry has occurred.
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So. None is required.
JonNC said:
By the way, was Clinton’s lawyer allowed in the hearings? How about Nixon’s?
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Which hearings. The witness investigations of Starr or Archibald Cox?
JonNC said:
Russians
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Tired equivocation.

More on this weak deflection:

Michael Conway Republicans’ absurd complaints about impeachment inquiry access are historically ignorant​

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Opinion | Republicans' complaints about impeachment inquiry access are just ignorant

In comparison to the Watergate inquiry, House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff is actually being very transparent and collegial.
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JonNC said:
It isn’t a grand jury, and no vote for an impeachment inquiry has occurred. By the way, was Clinton’s lawyer allowed in the hearings? How about Nixon’s?
Of course I think I should know.
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A Federal judge this week ruled that the impeachment inquiry is indeed legal and an authorized use of the House’s authority.

As to whether Nixon’s lawyer was in the hearings, the answer is yes. John Dean’s testimony brought the President down. But, that’s not what you were asking.

Trump’s lawyers get to question witnesses and put on a defense during the trial. That’s the way it works in America. If I’m suspected of securities fraud, my lawyer doesn’t get to follow the detectives around or sit in the Grand Jury room.
JonNC said:
Whereas Clinton’s campaign had overt intent, paid for it in fact, of collusion with Russians through FusionGPS.
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If only this was about Hillary, that would be pertinent. It isn’t and it’s not.
 
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PaulinVa . . .
You mean volume 1 of the Mueller report that concluded that collusion could not be proven, in part because Don Jr lacked the awareness to prove intent?
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Thank you Paul for making part of my point (that the Russian-collusion narrative, that Americans were presented, was fake.)

A good attorney would know the answers before he poses the questions (in this case to Don Jr.).

Or. A good attorney may also be going on a fishing expedition to attempt to bolster an already weak case that he wants to try to strengthen.

Building a case that is predicated on Don Jrs. memoery or “intent” or whatever, just highlights the weakness of Muellers witch-hunt and the fake Trump-Russian-Collusion narrative that the leftist media fed its followers night after night for years (that they wasted their lives on getting excited over, putting up Superman photoshopped photos of Mueller, and treating Mueller as a proverbial demigod . . . up until he didn’t deliver).

Either way. The case was not there. Or the case was weak from the get-go and something was needed to invent it, er ah, I mean bolster it.
 
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PaulinVA said:
You mean volume 1 of the Mueller report that concluded that collusion could not be proven,
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It s correct to say that Mueller provided ample evidence of collusion, but he did not comment on it per se, because there is no such crime as collusion. The issue was whether or not there was sufficient evidence to warrant, a prosecution for conspiracy against the Unite States. The conclusion was that there was not. That lack of evidence may have related to the fact, as we now know, that neither Trump Jr nor McGahn testified.

That is about to change.


And hos is this for irony:
Among the sticking points: House Democrats have long wanted McGahn to testify publicly, while the White House has proposed a closed-door interview.
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It is dangerous because he might be a sociopath who has authoritarian ambition. And we don’t know. It is dangerous because INVESTIGATE the investigators is textbook authoritarian.
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The willingness of many to accept the End Of our Constitution( Reminds, just this week didn’t he delegitimize the Emoluments clause?).
Everyone on both sides knows the process is illegitimate. The Trump fans know it and support the intended disruption.
In terms of danger, we still have institutions. He has his AG Taking aim at the INTEL community to eliminate future threats to his authority to do anything.
The danger is how successful will he be consolidating authoritarian power in 4 years. BECAUSE HE IS NOT STOPPING OR SLOWING DOWN
 
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Cathoholic said:
Thank you Paul for making part of my point (that the Russian-collusion narrative, that Americans were presented, was fake.)
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Not fake. It was not proven.

And, I’m glad. I would rather think of Trump as an unknowing dupe than a full-blown Manchurian Candidate.
 
They are hoping they can still effectively damage Biden even though they threatened the existence of Ukraine, and still could not get their president to lie and say we are opening an investigation.
You make all good points
 
A criminal conspiracy case was not there. There was a very close question on campaign finance they exercised discretion on.
As for Trump, no charges were ever possible. And no recomendations were possible with Mueller.
That circumstance existed before Mueller’s first second of investigation.
This week, apparently Trump can shoot people and not face charges.
 
Maximus1 . . . .
They are hoping they can still effectively damage Biden
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I think “they” are just trying to root out corruption. To drain the swamp. To do, just what the American voter (in part) voted them in to do.
 
Maximus1 . . .
And no recomendations were possible with Mueller.
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Really?

Apart from a few exceptions, WHY weren’t you guys here telling everybody that for the last three years??

And the same for the media?

You never heard night after night, “no recomendations were possible with Mueller”. Virtually everyone here knows that.
 
Twoo issues in Trump’s letter.
His political opponent in 2020.
His Conspiracy theory of 2016.
It I going on 3 weeks since Trump was asked for a third issue he was persuing corruption about.
When only 99.999999999999999% of the issues involve his personal election gain, I will indulge the alibi. Right now, it is insulting to be asked to indulge it.
 
There were no recomendations possible because Barr was his boss and that was the DOJ policy.
If independant council, he could challenge and likely win.
This was a GOP created diversion from day one since you ask.
He had just finished with kisliak I the Whitehouse after firing Comey.
Rosensteins a Trump appointee, recomended Mueller, the GOP had both houses and executive, and they selected Mueller. The Dems choice was Mueller or nothing perhaps, although I don’t think they were offered nothing.
Trump cannot be touched, and 2 years it blows over( is stale). If they find something, Barr will be there to take control.
The answer is simple. The Dems were powerless till 2018.
 
You make a good case that Trump has not been investigated authentically until 2018.
 
Maximus1 . . .
His Conspiracy theory of 2016.
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The only “Conspiracy theory of 2016” was the fake Trump-Russian-Collusion narrative.

Whatever happend to:

“You guys gotta let the process play out legally”??

(Now it’s your turn to wait while the process plays out. The process including the FISA warrant based upon partial-truths (the judge should be removed at least from FISA, for letting that happen to her inthe first place).

The possible “quid pro joe” scandal as well.

These need to play out.)
 
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Cathoholic said:
Apart from a few exceptions, WHY weren’t you guys here telling everybody that for the last three years??

And the same for the media?

You never heard night after night, “no recommendations were possible with Mueller”. Virtually everyone here knows that.
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Because until Mueller released his report, we didn’t know that was his conclusion. We were unsure if he would follow the OLC recommendation.
 
The de-legitimizing of these processes basically boils down to this:
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Trump had two issues I his UKRAINE letter.
Biden
A debunked conspiracy theory. The GOP controlled Intel Committee most recently confirmed Russia did it. Stop carrying water for Putin.
 
Three FISA WARRANTS. Each by law requiring a new factual basis. Three FISA judges. All Conservative and GOP appointed.
 
PaulinVA said:
Trump’s lawyers get to question witnesses and put on a defense during the trial.
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This isn’t a criminal trial.
Alas, it’s fine. The process the Democrats have been using for three years (yes, this is just a continuation of what’s been going on since the election and maybe before) will way strongly against them in the Senate.
PaulinVA said:
Because until Mueller released his report, we didn’t know that was his conclusion. We were unsure if he would follow the OLC recommendation.
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Thank you for this. Thank you for expressing the fact that Mueller could have chosen not to follow the OLC recommendation. He could have recommended prosecution. He didn’t, not because he couldn’t, but because there was no crime to prosecute
 
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