Unamerican Secret Trial presided by Democrat Adam Schiff

[HarryStotle]

Maximus1:

The danger is how successful will he be consolidating authoritarian power in 4 years. BECAUSE HE IS NOT STOPPING OR SLOWING DOWN

Authoritarian?
Authoritarian is government dictated healthcare and making private insurance illegal.

Authoritarian is promising to confiscate, by force if necessary, the arms of the law abiding citizen.

Authoritarian is using government power to isolate an organization dedicated to the individual rights of Americans.

Authoritarian is the Green New Deal.
Authoritarianism is what progressivism becomes.

Perhaps, but based upon the performance of the Democratic Socialists of America, the progression from progressivism to authoritarianism may get stalled out at the “soft” totalitarian point of personal privilege meltdown stage.

Even socialism requires a modicum of competency to get off the ground. Judging from the 2019 Democratic Socialists of America convention that might be the missing element in the DSA quest for power stage circa 2019.

Note that the images are cartoonish, but the audio is real.

See here:

 

[HarryStotle]

On the other hand…

 

[Cathoholic]

Yep. This is serious stuff.

“Jazz hands” is a mere sampling of the way these people think.

And they are imposing this type of paradigm on YOU! That’s why fines are being floated (and in some cases other punitive action taken) for doing things such as . . . . using the incorrect pronouns when a person wants to be called differently than his gender biology.

Fines. Force!

Also . . .

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[Maximus1]

Another American who doesn’t know what socialism or Authoritarianism is.
Or
Our own history.
Would you have joined Saint Peter in that early Christian community in the book of Acts? Not with those posts. America’s status as superpower is coextensive with it’s economy that had a combination of Capitalism and socialism. It is the 20th century success story. So after such success, why are we still acting like this is anything new

 

[Maximus1]

You seem to have confused two different threads.
I posted about the Trump impeachment.

 

[Maximus1]

3 people own the equivilent of 150 million? Does that sound Socialist? Lol

 

[JonNC]

That is not authoritarian. In a Constitutional Republic the citizens can vote for it.
Individuals are free to vote laws and other things. Sorry.
Trump is not environment friendly. So stop right there.

You think our constitutional representative republic was designed to all citizens to vote to end certain individual rights? Really?
You’re actually talking about a tyranny of the majority. And guess what, that too is authoritarian. As the definition I have points out, “ favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom”. What you described, with your own words is authoritarianism.
Secondly, individuals do not vote laws in America, except in some states that have the egregious referendum system. Representatives do, and then under the limits of power placed on them.
Please study American civics.

 

[JonNC]

Another American who doesn’t know what socialism or Authoritarianism is.

You have proven a level of ignorance about what authoritarianism is, so I’m disinclined to expect any knowledge of what socialism is.
Socialism is government ownership or strict control of the means of production. The United States is not a socialist state. The existence of a social safety net is not socialism. However, a government dictated healthcare system that does not allow foe free market options is socialist. It is also authoritarian.

 

[Maximus1]

We have representive government.
We have a Constitutional Republic with democratic principles.
The Constitution protects minority rights from the tyrrany of the majority.
The Constitution contains provisions like the Contract Clause, Commerce Clause, protection of property rights and others. Interpreted by SCOTUS I terms of definition, scope, and application.
That is not authoritarian! That is a COMPACT. A BINDING CONTRACT we adhere to as part of the privilege of being a citizen. You are rattling the cage, using your free speech, to affect these issues individually as we correspond.
That is not authoritarian, those are the terms of the deal we each assent to, or go find a better deal.
I OBVIOUSLY don’t think citizens can vote to end individual rights. In fact my career has been dedicated to it directly and indirectly for 30 years.I swore an oath.
That is how I know you ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY. OR AUTHORITARIANISM.
And excuse me for raising my voice, I get emotional at the prospect of others being misinformed

 

[Maximus1]

There aren’t free market options. That is a sales job.
At least there are not free market options an educated consumer would want.
That is why I initially supported Obama’s plan and it’s pilot program and having failed to get the pilot program, I support Biden’s plan.
Competition!
America cannot simply look at the data and know we are being outcompeted and at disadvantaged. They cannot understand adding fixed points to the unit price of everything we sell to adhere to an almost religious devotion to private health insurance.
THEY MUST BE SHOWN.
PAY LESS FOR MORE.
OBTAIN BETTER RESULTS
GREATER PATIENT SATISFACTION.
This is the data over decades now of all major Capitalist industrial nation’s but ours.
The pilot program is simple. Give Ma,PA and granny, the option. They can determine better themselves. When they do, private insurance is gone. Outcompeted.
That’s all I want. Let the consumer decide.

 

[PickyPicky]

Socialism is government ownership or strict control of the means of production. The United States is not a socialist state. The existence of a social safety net is not socialism. However, a government dictated healthcare system that does not allow foe free market options is socialist. It is also authoritarian

Absolutely right. Socialism involves the common ownership of (in some famous words) the means of production, distribution and exchange. A social safety net is a feature of Social Democracy, Liberalism, and Christian Democracy (among others).

Banning private health care certainly seems authoritarian to me, and I am to be found somewhere on the Centre Left (should you be looking) and that’s the Centre Left UK-style.

 

[PickyPicky]

This is the data over decades now of all major Capitalist industrial nation’s but ours.
The pilot program is simple. Give Ma,PA and granny, the option. They can determine better themselves. When they do, private insurance is gone. Outcompeted.
That’s all I want. Let the consumer decide.

In the experience of the UK, which has a National Health Service established well over 70 years ago, private health insurance is not driven out of the market. For those who can afford it private healthcare frequently offers shorter wait times, more plushy surroundings, higher staff levels.

Of course it does this off the back of the training and other infrastructure provided by the State, and frequently its consultants are moonlighting from NHS jobs, but there you go: that’s freedom for you.

 

[Maximus1]

Is it? There are imperfections with any system and one would expect the oldest systems to evidence imperfections. A new system always has the benefit of analysis and observation as it is formulated in a different society and culture.
Obamacare with the pilot program intended as an interim state and system. Attitudes about public and private was to be revealed to the public where eventually reasoning as well as public confidence would prevail. Along with a hard look at results. The truth of the superiority of a public program would be revealed where it counts, Joe Americans pocketbook and observations. That is the way to change attitude from the idolotry that one way is always the best way.
Ted Kennedy was Obama’s mentor in this regard. Kennedy, in his final years conveying his great error on the subject, he opposed Nixon’s version which was in fact this INTERIM and politically viable step. Kennedy’s error being ( as his own admission and regret) his stubbornness voting against Nixon’s approach, seeking THE WHOLE ENCHILADA. ( BERNIE’S APPROACH) which due to our culture, was not yet feasible.
Obama was defeated in getting the pilot program. Ultimately by Democrats whose position left only the option of take it without, or nothing at all.
We are now back with another chance a half century later with Biden’s approach.
If you watched the reading and Homily of Kennedy’s funeral, he chose the passage. Matthew 25:35-46 and planned with the presiding Catholic priest. Specifically, when I was sick, you helped me. Or didn’t( the goats).
It was a precursor he planned in death for this exact issue.
If you recall Wellstone’s service, Rush and others focussed on politicizing and got political traction on its inappropriateness. They waited for Obama to make the same mistake. Obama gave a politically neutral speech unattackable. Instead, the CATHOLIC PRIEST CONVEYED THE SOCIAL AND POLITICAL MESSAGE.

 

[Maximus1]

What is insurance? Isn’t it by nature, socialistic?
It is a risk management tool. By contract you contribute to a pool of money designed to manage a person’s risk, in this case, health. You collect if you loose at life and get sick. You pay money and loose it all if you stay healthy, ( win at life) with your money being used by others for their bills when you have shovelled it over with no return.
The larger and more diversify the pool, the cheaper the price to manage ones risk responsibly.
We earn as we do, with 99% of America scrimping and saving over a lifetime to have money in old age. Risk management makes this a real choice rather than your savings always one illness from gone. Many eventually get sick. Without adequate insurance, life sacrifices was superfluous.
The GOP plan made a policy for a 50 year old. Making 50k a year, cost 20k a year. The INSURANCE industry clearly didn’t want to cover the risk for this group.
Any average hard working American who intended to live past 50 , risked a lifetime of superfluous " right living" as a national strategy.
That is why less than 20% of Americans approved of the GOP HOUSE BILL, celebrated by Trump with a keg party on the Whitehouse lawn. Be warned!

 

[Maximus1]

You were OK until your conclusion where you mixed ideas.
You say the UNITED STATES is not socialist. But we do have Medicare and other expenditures and publically programs. So how did we become SOCIALIST adding one more.
Initially we didn’t have a professional military as we have today. We would not call ourselves socialist.
And of course our Constitution offers protection of private property rights, but we tax.
It really isn’t important if you understand these terms, you are confused in your application. My problem is it I an entire campaign strategy that counts on people not knowing

 

[PickyPicky]

A new system always has the benefit of analysis and observation as it is formulated in a different society and culture.

I wish you luck. I regard the NHS as one of Britain’s greatest achievements. If you can do better, I’m all for it.

 

[Maximus1]

The critical point is not new. We had a gilded age. Ted Roosevelt pushed back and the cycle continued and we are in another gilded age.
Your concern is misplaced with the displaced.
26 billionaires own more than 3.8 billion people. 1.4 trillion. That is a decent size Thanksgiving get together vs 3.8 billion human beings. ( How many multiples of our nation’s entire population is that). No wonder this Pope speaks out.
3 Americans( one short of a double date) owns more than 150 million Americans. ( That’s like almost all the Red States vs a partially occupied VW BUG.)
This is what is new but also what was.
As Ted Roosevelt believed, a permenent Aristocracy ends the American experiment.

 

[Maximus1]

I appreciate your sentiment. I lament this great reminder of how backward we are in the states.
Many problems exist because of demographic shifts. People are not making babies as they once did. And no immigration. ( The new young family who pays tax.)

 

[Cathoholic]

Maximus1 . . . .

26 billionaires own more (money) than 3.8 billion people.

(Parenthetical above mine for context)

Look Maximus1. I hear your concern.

Government is not supposed to let BIG Business grow to that extent (too influential and you get an amalgamation of BIG Government and BIG Business running the country).

I am not concerned about the super-wealthy because they have billions and I don’t. Hope they enjoy their financial supra-abundance and put it to good use. I am not an envious man (I am not suggesting you are either).

I am concerned about the super-wealthy in regards to power-structures.

The way to deal with that is not to GROW Government even MORE. (And if you do Grow Government More, those Big influential Businesses will grow even more too.)

The way to deal with that is not to GROW the Government-Business oligarchy.

The way to deal with wealth and income and power disparity is just what we have for a remedy.

Use existing anti-trust laws to break-up Mega Corporations. There are many of them to break up.

It always strikes me as a self-destructive outlook on life, when the people who complain loudest about “Trump” and Government keep crying out for MORE Trump POWER.

And if you or anyone else THINKS, President Trump is some sort of “tyrant”, realize their will be more proverbial “Trumps” in the future.

Leftists keep crying out for a Government deliverer (political messianism), even as they cry out against those in Government.

"Don’t like Trump?
The solution?
Give “Trump” MORE power!"

They cannot see their own self-contradiction here.

Beware of what you ask for.

You might just get parts of it that you want . . . with a load of other parts . . . you do not want.

 

[JonNC]

You were OK until your conclusion where you mixed ideas.
You say the UNITED STATES is not socialist. But we do have Medicare and other expenditures and publically programs. So how did we become SOCIALIST adding one more.

While Medicare is authoritarian in that I am forced to pay into it, I currently am not required to participate in it. I have a job through which I receive healthcare.
Medicare for All eliminates private health insurance and forces everyone into a government dictated plan. Government dictated health care that prohibits choices in the market place is authoritarian and socialist (but I repeat myself).

Initially we didn’t have a professional military as we have today. We would not call ourselves socialist.

Because that isn’t socialist. The military is an enumerated power of government. Healthcare is not mentioned.

And of course our Constitution offers protection of private property rights, but we tax.

It offers protection of all rights, including arms, speech, religious free exercise (one of the first casualties of government dictated health care), and many others. Rights, by definition, are antecedent to government, and as the Declaration of Independence states, an endowment from our Creator, not a privilege at the whim of the majority.

It really isn’t important if you understand these terms, you are confused in your application. My problem is it I an entire campaign strategy that counts on people not knowing

Yes. It is obvious that young Americans have no clue what socialism is and does. One need only look back to the 20th century, when tens of millions of citizens were killed in the name of socialism. That an American politician would proudly proclaim socialism is deeply disturbing.