Unconditional love, hell
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KendraDZ1902
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I was thinking about this earlier today. I would hope one mistake wouldn’t send someone to Hell.
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davidv
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Sins are deliberate acts or omissions.
Mistakes don’t = sin.
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davidv
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Yes. God’s love is unconditional, even if you choose to separate yourself from Him forever.
A mortal sin is one deliberately committed that, in effect, tells God you want nothing to do with Him. God’s love allows you to love Him back, and also allows you to have your own way, even if it means you are not loving Him back.
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thistle
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That’s because you have, through your own free will, committed a mortal sin and dying unrepentant choose to go to Hell. God gave us free will and the choices are ours. He loves us and will not interfere with the free will he gave us. YOU can choose to accept or reject his love (which is what committing a mortal sin means). He never rejects us. Only we can abandon him.
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JimG
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One can love one’s children unconditionally. But if they reject you and refuse even to enter your home, there is not much you can do. Parents can’t force a child’s free will. God doesn’t force our free will either, because if he did so we would cease to be fully human.
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2HeartsSlave
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Think about it this way…wherefrom does the “pain of hell” come? Does it come from flames, fire and brimstone? Or does it come from the knowledge that you’ve rejected eternity with God in Heaven? To one who has accepted it in this life, God’s love is the bliss of Heaven. To the one who has rejected God’s love, it is the pain of hell. God can do nothing but love us, however our response to that love determines our condition in the next life. The full and complete experience of God’s light and love in the next life is bliss for the saints and hell for the damned. Ever think that heaven and hell are the same state? The full and complete experience of God’s love and light. It’s our disposition that defines which one we experience. Now…a lot of these ideas delve into Eastern theology, at which I’m definitely no expert, so keep all of this in check with the catechism and what we KNOW to be divinely revealed. If you can work out these ideas in such a way that they are in line with Holy Church’s teachings, then that’s great. Just don’t go overboard and stray from the teachings of the pure Faith. See “my disclaimer” at the bottom 
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Polycarp1
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What ever you love most, is what God will give you for eternity. All good in us and all creation comes from God. If we don’t chose God we choose eternity without Him.
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oldfashcathgirl
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Because God’s love is unconditional it is not forced.
Think about it as a spousal love.
Say there is a couple who is married and the husband loves his wife unconditionally and the wife had lost her love for her spouse somewhere down the line. One day, they are going through some tragedy and if she does not trust him or follow his gentle but firm instructions she would die and be separated from him. because of His love for her he did not impose his will on her but let her decide what she wanted to do because he knew her will was far away from his.
God’s love is unconditional He loves us so much he lets us choose to serve Him. If we decide to be without God why would he impose His feelings on us?
I know it sounds harsh ( it shouldn’t) but if you put out consequences to your children you do not revoke them (hopefully),
you see them through.Since our end result is eternal shouldn’t WE think things through in OUR lives (that HE so graciously gave us) so we don’t miss the mark?
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Margy1948
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This is true, but you need to go back and read the comment again. It’s likely that the author of the post was speaking of the mistake as being the mortal sin. And I am not so sure about your response anyway. A mortal sin can’t possibly be the correct answer so the poster is right, a mortal sin must be a mistake!!
meltzerboy
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What happens to a person in a situation where they desire to repent for a mortal sin but die before being able to do so or are incapacitated in a manner so that they are likewise unable to repent? Is there an official Church teaching regarding such cases?
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KendraDZ1902
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Something being deliberate doesn’t mean it isn’t a mistake. Mistake is an action or judgement that was wrong. I deliberately hit my brother. It doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a mistake. It definitely was. IF mistakes don’t = sin, then we could say “I don’t feel that it was wrong, so therefore, it isn’t a sin.” That logic makes no sense.
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Mijoy2
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I’ve beaten this up for years. I have an open heart to good answers and have yet to hear one. I do not say this with malice, I say this with truth. The Catholic Church does not have a good answer. This is nobody’s fault. It is simply the truth.
NUMBERS. I always express this as numbers. 90+% of catholics do not attend Mass on Sundays, of those that do most contracept. Others commit the sin os self-gratification. After doing the math we are very likely less than 1% of people who walk up to recieve the eucharist worthy to do so (according to the CCC).
People, (like those who responded to this thread so far) are readily willing to say that the individuals who did these things are turning their back on God, do npt have the courage to express the ultimate conclusion, whch is…if they are correct, 99+ % of people are going to burn in hell for all eternity.
Cowardly profession I would suggest. If you are going to make the claim, admit to the NUMBERS which follow.
NUMBERS. I always express this as numbers. 90+% of catholics do not attend Mass on Sundays, of those that do most contracept. Others commit the sin os self-gratification. After doing the math we are very likely less than 1% of people who walk up to recieve the eucharist worthy to do so (according to the CCC).
People, (like those who responded to this thread so far) are readily willing to say that the individuals who did these things are turning their back on God, do npt have the courage to express the ultimate conclusion, whch is…if they are correct, 99+ % of people are going to burn in hell for all eternity.
Cowardly profession I would suggest. If you are going to make the claim, admit to the NUMBERS which follow.
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cheezey
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Cowardly profession I would suggest. If you are going to make the claim, admit to the NUMBERS which follow.
??? Who said what?
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Servant31
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I ve wondered about this myself. Like you have a just person who is trying their whole life to be a good Catholic. I doubt many truly keep up on confession and living the sacraments for their entire life. Like me, I considered myself a reasonable catholic, went to catholi school but didnt keep up on confession and was sinful like most people my age. Im getting into middle age and starting to take it more seriously but Ive always tried to apply the teachings to my interactions with others. I have a tough time seeing someone who lives their entire lives in a state of grace, masturbates once, and gets in a car wreck and dies as damned. Thats only for God to decide I guess…
Didnt the Fatima messages say many souls were lost, even priests and bishops though?
Then there are the near death experiences… some are bad but most seem good? ? ?
Causes me a lot of anxiety tbh. Wish we had like a barometer…whats the chances looking like?
Didnt the Fatima messages say many souls were lost, even priests and bishops though?
Then there are the near death experiences… some are bad but most seem good? ? ?
Causes me a lot of anxiety tbh. Wish we had like a barometer…whats the chances looking like?
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Servant31
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I ve wondered about this myself. Like you have a just person who is trying their whole life to be a good Catholic. I doubt many truly keep up on confession and living the sacraments for their entire life. Like me, I considered myself a reasonable catholic, went to catholi school but didnt keep up on confession and was sinful like most people my age. Im getting into middle age and starting to take it more seriously but Ive always tried to apply the teachings to my interactions with others. I have a tough time seeing someone who lives their entire lives in a state of grace, masturbates once, and gets in a car wreck and dies as damned. Thats only for God to decide I guess…
Didnt the Fatima messages say many souls were lost, even priests and bishops though?
Then there are the near death experiences… some are bad but most seem good? ? ?
Causes me a lot of anxiety tbh. Wish we had like a barometer…whats the chances looking like?
Didnt the Fatima messages say many souls were lost, even priests and bishops though?
Then there are the near death experiences… some are bad but most seem good? ? ?
Causes me a lot of anxiety tbh. Wish we had like a barometer…whats the chances looking like?
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LilyM
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Life is a race, like any race you have to persevere right to the very end to win.I ve wondered about this myself. Like you have a just person who is trying their whole life to be a good Catholic. I doubt many truly keep up on confession and living the sacraments for their entire life. Like me, I considered myself a reasonable catholic, went to catholi school but didnt keep up on confession and was sinful like most people my age. Im getting into middle age and starting to take it more seriously but Ive always tried to apply the teachings to my interactions with others. I have a tough time seeing someone who lives their entire lives in a state of grace, masturbates once, and gets in a car wreck and dies as damned. Thats only for God to decide I guess…
Didnt the Fatima messages say many souls were lost, even priests and bishops though?
Then there are the near death experiences… some are bad but most seem good? ? ?
Causes me a lot of anxiety tbh. Wish we had like a barometer…whats the chances looking like?
Would we say that a runner who ran in a marathon but stopped 2 metres from the finish line and simply refused to go any further, even though he was able, ran a great race and deserved a prize? No matter how fast or well he ran the portion he completed?
God gives all of us sufficient grace to stay the course and avoid mortal sin throughout our lives. Failing that, He also gives us the grace of sincere repentance if we do sin. How is it then any of His fault that people refuse to take advantage of these abundant graces?
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thistle
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If a person is in a state of mortal sin they can make an act of perfect contrition which is conditional upon their intent to get to Confession as soon as possible. If they really can make such an act and they die before getting to Confession they would be saved.
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Servant31
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I think for me I wonder if thre is a lot we dont know. Like Padre Pio said “pray hope nd dont worry”
Sounds good to me tbh. But someone else said “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” Some think we should do everything to avoid sin. Others seem to think that we shouldnt let that avoidance shape our lives, but instead have faith is Gods mercy…
Like me fr example, dating while beng chaste is very difficult. When all is said and done I basically dont date at all anymore. Would love to but people just dont understand chastity. I wonder if God wants me to be alone my entire life or be chaste?? Some say money isnt a bad thing as long as it doesnt get in the way of your relationship with God, but the Blessed Mother said at Fatima “fly from riches, love poverty” But how does one give your gifts to the world? Sorry if this sounds like a complaint, just getting a bit confused on all this myslf…
Sounds good to me tbh. But someone else said “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” Some think we should do everything to avoid sin. Others seem to think that we shouldnt let that avoidance shape our lives, but instead have faith is Gods mercy…
Like me fr example, dating while beng chaste is very difficult. When all is said and done I basically dont date at all anymore. Would love to but people just dont understand chastity. I wonder if God wants me to be alone my entire life or be chaste?? Some say money isnt a bad thing as long as it doesnt get in the way of your relationship with God, but the Blessed Mother said at Fatima “fly from riches, love poverty” But how does one give your gifts to the world? Sorry if this sounds like a complaint, just getting a bit confused on all this myslf…
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Margy1948
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But how will you ever find a spouse if you don’t date anymore?
Someone has sent me the requirements of a mortal sin and it sounds to me like your sins never did qualify as a felony (I guess that’s the equivalent of mortal sin) because you have to WANT to separate yourself from the Lord.
I had a friend who was, in my opinion, a good man. His wife died and I guess he was intimate with a person and felt guilty about it because he said he really needed to go to Confession, which he did.
The priest told him to get married again!
If I were acting as your attorney in front of the Lord I would say: Lord, my client is not the one at fault, it’s whatever saint was supposed to be working on a happy marriage for him/her!
Join Christian Mingle or something…or, make an appt to talk to a priest about the single people in your area and how to meet them.
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