Understanding Islamic Views

[Cinette]

*Beautifully expressed Kathleen!

It never ceases to amaze me that God loves us so much that he became Man among us and that he not only died to save us but took the trouble to leave us with instructions and guidance on how to live our lives. There was a time when I could not understand God’s love for us. Now that I do, I realise that it is essential in order that we can progress in our Faith.

His teachings are so wonderful. He is truly a God of Love and endless Mercy. All humans are included. He also gave us free will so that we can choose good over evil.

How truly wonderful!

God bless ALL
Cinette*

 

[KathleenGee]

Yes, Cinette, it is taking me time as well!

God became Man so He could be with us…down to our DNA, to our souls here on earth…He said He would never leave us!!!

If only Muslims could believe in Christ as we do…they do not believe He died on the Cross, and that His passing was also reflective of HIs True Humanity…He is Perfect Man.

Jesus is Perfect Man. Jesus is perfectly humble. He wants to share His Perfection with us. He knows we can never be perfect. The only way is for us to truly follow Him, to die to ourselves so He can enter. And we do so with the Eucharist, His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity!!!

Jesus, True Prophet, the fulfillment of all prophets, the Messiah and Anointed One, the King of Heaven and Earth.

 

[KathleenGee]

Elwill,

What do you Muslims think of Mother Theresa of Calcutta? She had the House of the Dying. She started out alone. She would go out on the streets of Calcutta and pick dying up off the street, and some would come over to hit her.

Soon she had other women following her. They see Jesus in the poor and dying and serve Him with love through these people. This is a perspective we ordinary Christians strive to have. She tried to live Christ’s love the best she could every day.

One day after she was becoming famous, a filmmaker came to her house to take videos of her, the sisters, and their work among the poor. The filmmaker was concerned because the rooms were dark and wasn’t sure how the filming would turn out. As it so happened, when the film was played back, the room was filled with a supernatural light and everyone in the film could be seen.

That was the light of Christ illuminating the darkness of that room through these holy women…Christ is all powerful. But in these times, He comes to us hidden, humble, lowly…He is at the door of our hearts waiting for us to open to Him.

 

[Cinette]

Yes, Cinette, it is taking me time as well!

God became Man so He could be with us…down to our DNA, to our souls here on earth…He said He would never leave us!!!

If only Muslims could believe in Christ as we do…they do not believe He died on the Cross, and that His passing was also reflective of HIs True Humanity…He is Perfect Man.

Jesus is Perfect Man. Jesus is perfectly humble. He wants to share His Perfection with us. He knows we can never be perfect. The only way is for us to truly follow Him, to die to ourselves so He can enter. And we do so with the Eucharist, His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity!!!

Jesus, True Prophet, the fulfillment of all prophets, the Messiah and Anointed One, the King of Heaven and Earth.

*We can only conceive of 4 dimensions : height, width, breadth and time. Scientists can conceive of a few more but still noone on this earth can imagine for a minute what is beyond us.

However God became man and entered into our dimension to give us so much and his assurance that he is with us always. We can now know that for Him to come as a Man and die for our sins that the reward of Eternal Life is something awesome that awaits those who love Him. We just can only imagine things from our earthly experience and so cannot conceive what life will be like on the other side.

Blessings
Cinette

Blessings*

 

[elwill]

Elwill,

What do you Muslims think of Mother Theresa of Calcutta? She had the House of the Dying. She started out alone. She would go out on the streets of Calcutta and pick dying up off the street, and some would come over to hit her.

Soon she had other women following her. They see Jesus in the poor and dying and serve Him with love through these people. This is a perspective we ordinary Christians strive to have. She tried to live Christ’s love the best she could every day.

One day after she was becoming famous, a filmmaker came to her house to take videos of her, the sisters, and their work among the poor. The filmmaker was concerned because the rooms were dark and wasn’t sure how the filming would turn out. As it so happened, when the film was played back, the room was filled with a supernatural light and everyone in the film could be seen.

That was the light of Christ illuminating the darkness of that room through these holy women…Christ is all powerful. But in these times, He comes to us hidden, humble, lowly…He is at the door of our hearts waiting for us to open to Him.

thank you for shariang your spiritual thoughts , but do you have exact question from me

i have no thoughts about Mother Theresa but to be very good and kind person who was catholoic

 

[KathleenGee]

Elwill,

Rather than share whether or not the crucifixion of Christ happened or if He is God or not or True Man or not, I think it is better to share the reality of the experiences of our faith with one another.

I worked with a group who went out into poor neighborhoods to find the Catholics and ask them to return to the Church after a period of great trial. While going down the streets, we came to a house and knocked on the door. We heard someone inside, and they did not come to the door, so we left and went on. Then we saw someone banging on the window and saw a hand on it asking us to come back.

So we did. The door opened and it was a Somali Muslim woman. We talked. I shared with her my fears about the Muslims who are now living by me, benefit of the American government. She assured me they meant no harm. I spoke of other things of the past. She said Muslims know in their heart that the violence and hatred and taking over is wrong.

I shared with her my understanding of the 10 commandments. She followed me. I had a picture of Jesus that I love the most. On the back is a prayer to Him. In it, it asks Him to help us with all our needs, to help us to love our neighbor. To be humble, to let Him live in us. I gave it to her. And then we left.

So many months later we returned in the winter on a sunny, beautiful day. I saw her come out across the street. I said hello. She saw me and then came over and embraced me, and then she said, ‘I understand now you believe in Jesus’.

Elwill, did you know that Egypt was a heavily flourishing Christian country? It is in the roots of your country and may be that is why you are here to share.

 

[KathleenGee]

Cinette,

Thank you for your deep felt response. I had a sister missionary friend who had worked in Alaska with a priest. He had an airplane and flew it out to help the people. They were very faithful religious. He eventually died.

After he died, she said she felt his presence around her for 3 weeks. Every day she got in her spirit, ‘Sylvia, Jesus is tremendous! Jesus is tremendous!’

How I wish the Muslims could expand and experience Jesus the way we do. We would finally have peace between the two great religions, and hopefully, great help to one another.

I respect the Muslims’ value for modesty and for prayer. We used to have the Angelus prayed at noon time to call down God’s blessings on our work and activities. Mary of Fatima came to ask us to renew our daily offering in the morning and consecrate God and all people, believers and the unjust to God.

When Christianity starts to serve the flesh – not working to develop a wholesome, healthy Christian – it falls…and that what is so high can fall down so low.

 

[cathdoki]

if you asked yourself , why we consider all prophets of God to be muslims , and why we consider all thier true followers to be muslims
hence , you should to asking yourself what is the defination of islam and defination of muslims

once you understand the root meaning of this word , you will understand this verse more clearly

Jesus is not a muslim. He is GOD!

 

[KathleenGee]

Cathodoki…

Let us take it farther!!! Jesus is True Man. He is at the heart of all people. Jesus says at judgment that we will be judged by how we treated Him…He was that poor person, He was that hungry, naked person…did we clothe Him, did we feed Him…did we visit Him in prison?..

So yes, in one aspect, Jesus is Muslim. But Jesus is also Catholic and Protestant and Jew, Jesus is the atheist and agnostic, the communist and socialist. Jesus stands before every human being. And how we treat our fellow human being, in spite of our religious beliefs, will be a great witness to the direction of our salvation.

I always reflect on the good example of John Paul II. He treated his enemies as friends.

 

[cathdoki]

Cathodoki…

Let us take it farther!!! Jesus is True Man. He is at the heart of all people. Jesus says at judgment that we will be judged by how we treated Him…He was that poor person, He was that hungry, naked person…did we clothe Him, did we feed Him…did we visit Him in prison?..

So yes, in one aspect, Jesus is Muslim. But Jesus is also Catholic and Protestant and Jew, Jesus is the atheist and agnostic, the communist and socialist. Jesus stands before every human being. And how we treat our fellow human being, in spite of our religious beliefs, will be a great witness to the direction of our salvation.

I always reflect on the good example of John Paul II. He treated his enemies as friends.

I agree with most of what you’ve said, but not all. Jesus is not atheist. He is not agnostic. That would be counter to being God. Otherwise, you make a very valid point.

 

[KathleenGee]

I also acknowledge that regarding atheist and agnostic…but to clarify, what I am referring here is common humanity. So we have to put them in as well.

I am working with an atheist right now, a Jewess…but she considers herself a humanitarian. And she wanted me back …and to provide her hospice at her passing…

 

[Cinette]

Cinette,

Thank you for your deep felt response. I had a sister missionary friend who had worked in Alaska with a priest. He had an airplane and flew it out to help the people. They were very faithful religious. He eventually died.

After he died, she said she felt his presence around her for 3 weeks. Every day she got in her spirit, ‘Sylvia, Jesus is tremendous! Jesus is tremendous!’

How I wish the Muslims could expand and experience Jesus the way we do. We would finally have peace between the two great religions, and hopefully, great help to one another.

I respect the Muslims’ value for modesty and for prayer. We used to have the Angelus prayed at noon time to call down God’s blessings on our work and activities. Mary of Fatima came to ask us to renew our daily offering in the morning and consecrate God and all people, believers and the unjust to God.

When Christianity starts to serve the flesh – not working to develop a wholesome, healthy Christian – it falls…and that what is so high can fall down so low.

*Yes we Christians who have experienced the love of God know in our hearts that we can attain Eternal Life with Him and we want to share this knowledge with all people. To us every soul is precious and if we love God we will also love our neighbour and want to see all souls united with God in Eternity. There can be no exceptions. All are loved - all are wanted. God loves us all and if we can understand this then we have the KEY to eternal happiness.

*

 

[KathleenGee]

Amen…Cinette…this is the true power of Christianity…and how Jesus said many are called and few are chosen…

And if we have too many possessions to take care of or too many other distractions, then how can we bear His fruit?

So with all this in mind, what is the Islamic view of our spiritual sharings…???

 

[cathdoki]

Amen…Cinette…this is the true power of Christianity…and how Jesus said many are called and few are chosen…

And if we have too many possessions to take care of or too many other distractions, then how can we bear His fruit?

So with all this in mind, what is the Islamic view of our spiritual sharings…???

They are very limited. Jesus himself made it clear that NO ONE gets to heaven outside of Him.

I do believe that those who have never been exposed to the Gospel are a different consideration depending on the lives they live. But to be made aware of Jesus THE Christ, the Son of God, the Great I Am, ( has he told Pilate) and to reject it is condemning oneself. Regardless of Paragraph 841 of the CCC.

I believe Pope JPII was a great man. But he also catered to unbelievers to the point of removing the crucifix from rooms that non-Christians would be spending the night. That included Jews, muslims, animists, atheists and so on. A very sad commentary on part of his pontificate.

 

[KathleenGee]

Cathodoki…did not know that…in Italy?? Perhaps he was trying to communicate in various ways that he accepted and acknowledged their dignity at the place they were at in that particular time.

Acknowledge your concern…it is a valid one.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, KathleenGee,

That was a very nice experience you shared with us. Is there a copy of that picture and prayer on the internet you could give us a link to?

God bless

Elwill,

Rather than share whether or not the crucifixion of Christ happened or if He is God or not or True Man or not, I think it is better to share the reality of the experiences of our faith with one another.

I worked with a group who went out into poor neighborhoods to find the Catholics and ask them to return to the Church after a period of great trial. While going down the streets, we came to a house and knocked on the door. We heard someone inside, and they did not come to the door, so we left and went on. Then we saw someone banging on the window and saw a hand on it asking us to come back.

So we did. The door opened and it was a Somali Muslim woman. We talked. I shared with her my fears about the Muslims who are now living by me, benefit of the American government. She assured me they meant no harm. I spoke of other things of the past. She said Muslims know in their heart that the violence and hatred and taking over is wrong.

I shared with her my understanding of the 10 commandments. She followed me. I had a picture of Jesus that I love the most. On the back is a prayer to Him. In it, it asks Him to help us with all our needs, to help us to love our neighbor. To be humble, to let Him live in us. I gave it to her. And then we left.

So many months later we returned in the winter on a sunny, beautiful day. I saw her come out across the street. I said hello. She saw me and then came over and embraced me, and then she said, ‘I understand now you believe in Jesus’.

Elwill, did you know that Egypt was a heavily flourishing Christian country? It is in the roots of your country and may be that is why you are here to share.

 

[cathdoki]

Cathodoki…did not know that…in Italy?? Perhaps he was trying to communicate in various ways that he accepted and acknowledged their dignity at the place they were at in that particular time.

Acknowledge your concern…it is a valid one.

I have forgotten what year it was. But JPII had people of all religions at the Vatican. Out of “respect” for Jews, muslims, Hindu, animists and so on he removed the crucifix removed from the rooms that they would be staying in. I’m sure that if googled, you would find the documentation. A very very sad part of his reaching out to other “faiths”.

 

[KathleenGee]

Cathdoki,

I just shared on Mormon missions vs Catholic missions.

Tqualey,

The picture I shared with the prayer is the simple one to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, the painting done by the unknown artist. It is a popular one, very beautiful, soft features…to me the picture has alot of grace. I am not computer savvy. You see Divine Mercy Images of Christ with a great similarity to the face. I know you have seen it many times. It is quite popular.

By the way, I went to a village for Mass one night. On the table in the African hut was a picture of John XXIII and that one I just talked about – the Sacred Heart of Jesus. My mother always had a candle lit using that picture. I love it. So it moved me deeply to see Him experienced the same way.

God bless you!

So …now back to the Muslims!!! Are any still here???

 

[GaryTaylor]

Follow your Faith in Jesus Christ, the Blessed Mother , the Bible and the Roman Catholic way. It “is” the way.

As I speak, Jesus Christ is converting Muslims and showing them the undeniable Truth. What is most profound is not only is Jesus changing and converting the Muslim thinking, He is bringing these new followers of our God, to love that which thay hate more than YOU, the Jewish Faith. In the Old Testament these are known as Gods people and their God is your God…

The Islamic Nation is not a Mystery, we fully understand your belief. I understand your belief and your Koran. I understand, you also believe Jesus Christ will came back? And I know you believe this also. Yet you deceive the followers of this religion, by not being honest to what you trully believe about Jesus Christ.

He will “not” come back as a “Muslim Prophet” as you so dearly believe. He will not come back to show the Catholics/Christians that the ONE true religion is “Islam”. This is NOT the truth. This my friends is a misconception of your belief. And a belief in the False God, Allah.

The very way of the Nation of Islam would be to destroy all Jews. To convert all Chistians or kill those which do not convert to Allah. You are not a Mystery.

The deceit that is told through Islam, to the West will not live to see the light of day. There are many here among us who clearly understand the message to Muslims from Muslims and by your Koran. This does not confuse everyone, only enough to cause chao’s in these days before us. In the end, the truth of the Trinity and the Catholic Life will live through Jesus Christ. And quite opposite to what Islam believes, this religion “The Nation of Islam” will convert and mend their ways. And faithfully follow the True GOD. The God of the Bible who is called L in the Old Testament

This my friends “is” the Bible and the true word of God.

Iran is NOT the country to watch in the middle east. The most significant country to “ALWAYS” watch in the middle east is TURKEY. Turkey led the Muslim world in its “entire” History right until 1924. It “is” the key country to world peace. Make no mistake about this. Make no mistake about the the first and utmost role of Islam is to destroy Israel and the Jews. Thats the plan.

I am Catholic, yet I lived among the Muslim world. What I am saying to you here, now. Is to understand Islams view. Or you will suffer needlessly

What I am telling you, IS what MUST happen, for Islam to succeed. Turkey once again must raise as a Muslim country, Israel must be destroyed. Al-Quada cannot succeed where Turkey most certanly can.

The Dichotomy that exits is this…Islam just as Strongly as Cathilics believe that their is only ONE TRUE GOD. The Catholic/Chistian God and Allah is NOT the same GOD. There can never be, nor will there ever be world peace. Until Islam converts. Thus Islam believes as boldly as I just proclaimed to you, this SAME TRUTH only in reverse. That ALLAH is GOD and you MUST convert or DIE. That “is” the way of Islam.

If any man of Islam tell you differently, He is not a true follower of Islam or he does not understand Islam THIS IS THE TRUTH. I cannot lie to you for you are my Brothers.

These are the few ideas you must stop trying to accept. There cannot be, nor will there ever be world peace with Islam. There is no going back for Islam now and coming to the way of world peace. You will not live to see this. Nor will your children.

This is a False God , he is not your God, nor could he live with your God in peace. God will not accept this. This Can’t Happen!

The Muslim world and its followers are deeply faithfull to their religion. And they will be just as faithfull to God. And they will thrive and grow under God. But they must convert first to the true faith of the Trinity and Jesus Christ My dear friends, there is no other way. And if you are readinhg your Bible, it tells you this also as does the Vatican. Is there is no other God but the God L of the Old Testament, the God that the Jewish faith follows and that which Islam hates with blasphemey, ant murder,

WE as Catholics and Christians must have patience with Islam, we must convert not kill these people…Honesty through truth and prayer is the only way. But you must first clearly understand the plight and truth of this religion and these people. Until you can do this. You are only allowing this false belief. to promote itself and thrive.

But know this, in the end it cannot nor will not co-exist with you. Nor will I lie to that which I so dearly believe in my heart. The truth is the truth, and you have heard the truth.

Lets call it what it is, and look at is exactly how it is. I have refrained from talking about Islam on this forum. For the simple fact that I cannot lie to you. I can be of ignorance, but the simple truth is I am not. I have expalined this as simply and honestly and respectfully as I possibly can. To go any further from here, would be disrespect. And I will leave you with this. If you think any other way about Islam and our Faith as I have explained. Then my brother you are not understanding the truth thats plainly before your eyes and ears.

Out faith is clear, there is only ONE WAY to Jesus Christ and God. And everything else must be redeemed. The only exeption, they only possible exeption, is newborn children who are not baptised and pass from this world before that time. I “TRUST” my God will save these children. But I do not know that.

God Bless. GT

 

[elwill]

Amen…Cinette…this is the true power of Christianity…and how Jesus said many are called and few are chosen…

And if we have too many possessions to take care of or too many other distractions, then how can we bear His fruit?

So with all this in mind, what is the Islamic view of our spiritual sharings…???

hi Kathleen , i read all your posts carefuly , and i really enjoyed with it
you are very kind person who deserve the respect from each of us

but you asking me about the islamic view of your spiritual experience !
well , i said to you before that spiritual experiences can happens for christian and muslim and jew and hindu and each experience will strength the faith of a person in his own relegion

so honesty , i enjoyed reading that but i think it’s fake , it’s not something which will make me rethink about this relegion
i’m sure that such spirtual experience you share have great influences to christians themselfs not for us (non-christians )